This is one more topic about a full remote for Cubase/Ipad, meaning: native (non-mackie) total control, like touchosc for Live, Logic, the Digital Performer app, the Yamaha LS 9/M7CL apps, Alen & Heat iLive series app, the Presonus Studiolive app. (and some more I've missed probably).
I sincerely think this is the way to go, once you have tried Ipad controll on any of these devices you will never go back, it's really a great way of controlling channel eq's, dynamics, plugins etc.
Steinberg started very promising with their CubaseIC app, but it's still transport only.
Instead Steinberg launches the new generic remote hardware based CMC modular controller series.
The problem with these is, you still cant see WHAT you are controlling, no values or data displayed (Channel names, dB's, freq, Q, plugin names and values) so you still have to look at your screen all the time. Very confusing. That's the reason why its useless if you want full, easy, logical controll, i.e like when you are MIXING. Sorry. So my advice: don't buy them, unless you have a specific use for them. All the fader and rotarymodules have this problem, the transport controll is very handy of course. But the other controllstrips lack THE most importand feature (like many others), namely a display showing wich channel you are controlling, and valuedata for faders and rotaries. The AI knob is a nice feature, did not work on all plugins, but that is solved I believe.
Same goes for touchosc, Mackie Control, BCR/F and ALL midi, Huy or Mackieprotocol based controllers for Cubase. It's usable for some purposes but not perfect.
Now look at the LS9/M7CL Stagemix aps from Yamaha. The way the EQ is handeled is awesome, even better than dialing in on the desk, just perfect! And also the mini-eq-preview/selector in the mixer window is great, the graphic equaliser window works perfect too (you can walk to the front of the venue during a show and fine-EQ/level/mix your frontfills while the band is playing, etc), so I usualy do all my fine-eq-ing on the Ipad with this desk. Channel names are nicely displayed, auxes on fader, etc.
And the funny thing is: Steinberg IS Yamaha these days. Aparently it's very hard to convert these apps to Cubase....Don't tell me nobody thought of that at the Steinberg labs. So I want to do one more serious request: PLEASE.
My advice to Steinberg would be to work with Yamaha to standarise mixerhandling, so for example the same channelstrip as in a LS9, auxes on fader option , etc. This would be a big, big upgrade. And please,please, please, (I'm on my knees now) a reverse SOLO and LISTEN (global prefs) option??? I still can't solo a channel on my headphones while the band plays while using a controller (away from the mouse this is.... this is insane. WHY??)
A summary of some apps for Ipad that work with Cubase;
V-Control Pro controller for Logic, Protools and Cubase: http://www.neyrinck.com/en/products/v-control-pro
pro's: basic mixer and transport are ok, smooth and easy to operate.
cons: In general; Mackie Huy based, outdated protocol compared to OSC or native support. EQ and plugin handling pages are too small (not accurate) and not handy (one page for each eq-band, etc). Auxes are handeled in the pan window, also no parameter display (which effect am I sending to? and how much?)
Since this is a more expensive app, I tried to get a refund after coming to this conclusion, they mailed back that they agreed to my critics and that they are working on a dedicated cubase app, so now I wait...
Satira AC-7: http://www.saitarasoftware.com/Site/Home.html
Same problems, worse interface
Touchosc: great app, if only Cubase would support OSC...http://hexler.net/software/touchosc
Check out the videolinks for Live and Logic control, you won't believe your eyes...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgFINZs6idohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjnVTqjblY
Two links here to Cubase templates for touchosc;http://hexler.net/forum/viewthread/271/http://hexler.net/forum/viewthread/131/
My other posts about this subject:http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... =91&t=8303http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... =19&t=8893
links to Ipad apps for harware mixers:
Yamaha LS9http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/ ... gemix.html
Yamaha M7CLhttp://www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/ ... index.html
A link to a nice Stagemix M7C /ipad video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0uDM3du ... re=related
Alen & Heath Ilive series:http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/Products/ ... neiPadAppshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my7RJeF3Syk
this mixer even has virtual soundcheck built in.....(amazing concidering the price)
Remarkable: the digidesign hardware mixers like Venue series don't have an ipad app yet (!), you have to use VNC, so very hard to controll on Ipad (you have to dubbeleclick on faders, don't let go or you have to dubbleclick again, etc. This also aplies to Cubase/VNC, it just does not work the way you would like.
So, if I missed some interesting apps/solutions let me know, me myself I'm waiting for the V-control update for Cubase right now as most interesting for now, I would be VERY interested to know from Steinberg if there is ANY chance there will be new developements for "Ipad serious controll" in the near future (but I fear that the launch of the new controller-range shows Steinberg still wants to go on the "generic controller" way....And it is just SO frustrating, (try adding a channel somewhere in your project. now ALL your plugin controllers after that channel are changed....).
My options in the "far future" are: I could switch to Mac/Logic (OMG not an option actualy now that I think of it...), or buy an Allen & Heath Ilive desk and preamps, or a Presonus studiolive desk, and just use Cubase as a recorder only. But that's a bit of a waste, might as well use some freeware for that...Still I'd rather see a professional solution from Steinberg OR a supported 3rd party app, and I'm allso willing to pay mucho or to help develop.
Call me! Mail me! And no, I won't let go...(yet). And yes, you can move this topic to the Music Lounge if you think I'm out of controll
kind regards, Jurgen
Studio: Cubase 6.5/ Windows XP Pro SP3 32 bit / Intel Q6600 @ 2.40Ghz / Asus P5K Motherboard / 3gbswitch / Speedstep off / 4 gigs Corsair DDR2 RAM @400mhz / NVIDIA GeForce 850 GT / 2x RME Digiface PCI 26in/out, 1x RME multiface PCI
Laptop: Cubase 6.5/ Windows XP Pro SP3 32 bit/ Dell LAtitude E5500 / 4gb/ RME Digiface via Express Card V2
Ipad2/16gb, Lemur running customized 16channel Mackie control and multiple generic remotes template, presonus faderport, BCR2000, 2x BCF 2000, 14 bits accelerated controlers on Lemur and BC's