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Studio pics!

I know Gearslutz is full of these topics, but I thought it'd be fun to see the studios of the forum regulars.
I completed my new desk build just a few days ago, so I'll happily start :)
Would be cool to see some pics from Steinberg as well!!

These are pics from my phone so the quality isn't ideal, but you get the idea. Gearlist is in my sig.
2013-09-10 14.03.27.jpg
2013-09-10 13.59.51.jpg

Currently shopping around for a big 2nd hand monitor to put next to the laptop for more screen area.
by Strophoid
Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:03 pm
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Re: CUbase 7.5…when?

unifaun wrote:There is something in the pipeline:


What ? What is this ? Another tiny LCD App ? :( Who can make an arrange or mix on 4 inch little screen ?

I undastand that the way of production changing, markets and clients are changing. But I don't need a toys. I need great stable and fast DAW.
by serenity
Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:25 pm
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Re: this'll change everything 14 nov

Certainly no one will get an Oscar for the rather ridiculous video. :lol:

...and it was not really fair. Of course, comparing a cheap saxophone sample and the worst GM drums available to a real saxophone and a real drumkit makes a great difference.

However, I would prefer my BFD 3 over almost any real drum recording nowadays, because it's like a single microphone preamp they used to record the content costs more than all the hardware most studios have combined (or something like that).

And there ARE good saxophone samples out there. ;-)

The most interesting use case would be for instruments one will never be able to use properly in a sampled fashion: guitars, vocals. Everything else can be sampled, but when I see what guitarists, for example, do with their instruments, I guess there is not even a keyboard with enough space for all the keyswitches necessary to even do what a below - average, typical drunk garage 60s / 70s cover band guitarist can do.

But not drums, seriously... since BFD 2, sampled drums are perfect. It's all about content variety and workflow now.

I would have shown the guy playing an electronic drumkit (MIDI) via Internet, triggering BFD 3 kit pieces on the otherside. That would be the other use case, besides guitars and basses, I would be interested in.

the only thing this changed is where my pennies were going to be spent ........Cheers Steinberg , two new modules for the modular it was ;-)

For me it will be a Casiotone 7000, if I can find one. And I'm serious here. 8-)
by TheNavigator
Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:43 pm
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Tips Tricks And Workflow Goodness.

Got a cool tip or macro to add to the list? Spotted an error or know a better way? Post it here and I'll add it on as and when I can!

There are lots more juicy tips in this thread that haven't been collated yet, or are a bit too general or complex to fit in this post. Have a wade through and see what nuggets you find.

Excellent Thread by Bane (looks like hundreds of hours of work here) thanks Curteye.

Great Site Full of Tutorials thanks Norbury Brook .

Best Ever Workflow Tip

The one piece of advice that keeps on coming up over and over: Learn the Key commands and assign your own. Almost every function can be set to a key command.

Here's an excellent thread by JMCecil with a utility for setting up and viewing key commands.

Project Setup

Make templates!

Get a session set up how you like it, tracks ready to go, input and output buses, group channels, folder tracks even favourite VST instruments and FX, this is a BIG timesaver.

Template From Existing Project

Save your project under a different name first (avoids ‘lost project embarrassment’). Delete all the Audio/MIDI stuff you don’t want in the template from the project window. Hit [CTL]+P to open pool and right [Option]click, select empty trash.
BEWARE, don’t choose erase unless you don’t need the files, choose the‘remove from pool’ option. Erase option will send your files to digital heaven. Then choose Save as Template option from the file menu.

Naming Tracks

In the Arrange window, click in the track name box to get a curser, type in the tracks name ie; ’Kick’, hit [TAB] (cursor jumps to next track name box) type in next one and repeat. Hit [Enter] to end.

Naming Tracks Inside Folders - by Xtigma

Rename all tracks inside a folder to the same name.
Type name in Folder Track, hold down [shift] + press [enter].

Rename all events on midi track to track's name - By Mozizo

Dbl click track name(fonts highligted with blue).
Press and hold one of the modifiers and press Enter.

Assigning Input Buses and Channel Outputs

In the Mix Console, select the required audio channels and as you assign the 1st channel (Drop down menu in Mix Console-Routing Tab) hold down [Shift] and each channel will be assigned incrementally.
Holding [Shift]+[ALT] will send all selected channels to the same Input bus or output.


To create a macro

File/Key Commands/Show Macros/New Macro-and name it.
Highlight the command from the commands window and hit 'Add Command' after each.
The new marco should now be visible in the macro folder in the commands window. Assign it to a Key of your choice.

New Track Macro - by Rhino

For creating a new track with all routing monitoring and FX settings from existing in one go.

Project - Duplicate Tracks
Edit - Select All On Tracks
Edit - Delete

Bounce In Place - by Winter Rat

Cubase Ninja Pro-Tools style Trim Automation - by Lukasbrooklyn

Set L and R Locators to next 2 markers - by SeeWhat

Locate to marker 1 then apply the following macro ({Alt}+{/}.
transport- set Left locator
transport- next marker
transport- set Right locator

Mix Console/FX

Default FX Presets - by Rhino

In any FX container window, next to the preset box hit the cubase icon and choose 'save as default preset'

Open all insert GUI on channel - By mozizo

[shift]+[alt]+[left click] on E button of a channel.
To close all of them [shift]+[left click] on E again.

Reset Channel Settings - by Bacizone

In Track Inspector - Alt+Click on the Bypass buttons will reset the settings of Insert / Strip / Equalizer / Send


Pre-Insert Volume Automation

Make sure the 'Use Mouse Wheel for Event volume and Fades' option is activated in Preferences. Editing/Audio page.
[ALT]+Click on an audio event to cut it around the area you want to change, then hover the mouse over it and mouse wheel up for louder (up to 24db) or down for softer. Will also work for multiple selections or entire Audio events. Won't work for an Audio Part unless you dissolve part first [CTL]+ right[option] click to open context menu and choose Audio/Dissolve Part.
[CTL]+M/Wheel near front of event to adjust fade in or near rear for fade out.

Replace all audio clip instances - by lukasbrooklyn

To replace all instances of an audio event in a project (akin to exchanging a sample in a sampler), put your replacement sample in the pool, the drag it from the pool whist holding shift, and drop it onto the event to be replaced.


MIDI Octave shortcut - by Stealth

Select midi event(s) in the project/arrange page then Shift + up or down arrow key to change octave.

MIDI Velocity Editing - by trashdinner

Hold shift + Ctrl, left click and drag up or down to change velocity on selected MIDI events.

Logical Editor - by Curteye

Being a MIDI guitarist from the early 90's the LE was a must learn.
Here is my approach(es):

1-When using it stop thinking like an artist/musician etc
and start thinking more 'scientific'. (similar but not quite the same)

2-Don't go in 'cold'. Decide want you want to accomplish and use a preset
that steers in that direction. There are many in Cubase. Tweak from there.

3-Save your tweak as a preset. You might need it later and you might forget how you got there.
(happened to me a lot at first)

4-Using LE custom presets along with Key Commands can really speed the workflow.

VST Instruments

Record VST instrument tracks without using groups or bounce or export - by JMCecil

F4 -> Output tab -> hit + sign and create a Stereo Output called whatever "VSTi Out". Do not assign this output to any of your audio card outputs.
On your Instrument track, set the output to the "VSTi Output" from the previous step.
Create a Stereo Audio Track in the project, set the INPUT to "VSTi Output"
Enable monitor and/or Record enable.

Layered Samples in Groove Agent SE - by trashdinner

If you add multiple sounds to a pad (by drag and dropping) use the first (top) option when dropping the sounds to a pad to layer them.
At first they will will not trigger at the same time but the different samples will trigger depending on the velocity so while the pad is selected, change the mode to "layer" instead of "velocity" in the main tab. Now they all trigger at the same time but you can't adjust the volumes or any other parameters of the different samples separately ... but here's how to do it:
There are 2 little buttons on the upper right side of Groove Agent SE, one is ABS or Rel (It's set to ABS by default)
and the other one is Pad or Sel (It's set to Pad by default). If you press the Pad button to switch it to Sel (while the multi samples pad is selected) you can now chose the sample you want to change the volume or any other parameters and it will only change the settings of that sample within the Pad instead of all the samples within the pad. So just select the sample, tweak some buttons and when you select another sample on the same pad you'll see the the tweaks you made won't affect the other samples :) I find That really usefull instead of having to have 3 midi notes for my kick sound, I just have one and tweak it inside Groove Agent SE.

Vari Audio

Variaudio shortcuts - by trashdinner

[tab] to switch between segment and pitch modes.
Hold [ctrl] while moving a note to snap to pitch.
Hold [shift] while moving a note to move it freely.

Editing of M/S - Recordings - by marQs

If recording i.e. a vocalist with M/S technique (to get that little air around) which I often do, record it to a stereo track (M = left/S = right) instead of two individual tracks. Mix6To2 or Voxengo MSED get you decoded in a second.

That way you can apply i.e. VariAudio + Warp to both channels while avoiding phase issues.

Works exactly the same if you track a DI guitar + an amp, up to 6 channels, see Rhino's tip on multitrack wave editing here


Video Scrubbing - by Carlo

Very nice for film-scoring if you play back a movie on a computer screen: Click directly in the Video Player window and drag the mouse left or right...

Toggle Full Screen Video - by BFred

Double-click anywhere in the video window to toggle full screen mode.


Inspector Gymnastics - by Skillet

Command click on Inspector items to open more than one. Shift click on any of them to close all of them at once. Handy when you use Inspector shortcuts since there doesn't seem to be a shortcut to close them all at once. You quickly loose view of some items using the shortcuts unless you always toggle them. Thankfully toggling any item (that may be open already) now brings it back into view though.

Resize Tool box (Arrange Window) - by Soul Burn

If you press right-click to open the tools menu and hold it pressed for about 5 seconds (it feels long), you can resize the shape of the toolbox. This lets you get to your tools with a shorter movement of the mouse.

Scissor Trick - by Bonso

Scissor Tool : alt/click when slicing an event divides the whole event into equal length sections.

Reverse Locators to skip section - by Rotund

If you just want to cut a section of a song, but want to hear the result first.
Simply engage cycle, then set your left locator to the end of the section to be cut.
Then set your right locator to the beginning of the section to be cut.
Yea, backwards.
Now playback from a point before the right locator.
The song will skip over the section enclosed in the markers.

Got something to share? Post your tips and ideas in this thread and I'll add them when I can.
by Paul Coyle
Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:08 am
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Re: Speculation: Cubase 7.5 OR 8.0 @ mps?

sonicstate wrote:I hope this time the drop is good. I hate buildups going off forever, and then some weak drop.

Almost the exact words my wife used last night! :)
by curteye
Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:30 am
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Re: Urgent: Can't Burn CD

Try reinstalling the cd drivers from gear.
by PG
Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:46 pm
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Forum Knowlegdebase von Usern für User

Herzlich willkommen in der Welt der digitalen Musikproduktion

Unglücklicherweise langt es nicht einen leistungsfähigen Computer, ein DAWsoftware, verschiedene Plugins, Midikeyboard und weitere Hardware zu besitzen.
Alles muss richtig zusammengesteckt, installiert und optimiert werden.
Damit man sich nachher ohne Probleme der Musikproduktion widmen kann.
Um euch liebe Neulinge oder auch Fortgeschrittenen einwenig Hilfestellung zu leisten, haben wir uns entschlossen hier eine Sammlung der wichtigsten Basics, Tricks und Kniffe zur Verfügung zu stellen.
Wenn ihr euch die Zeit nehmt Schritt für Schritt alle Infos hier zu lesen, dann könnt ihr entweder festestellen dass ihr schon alles richtig gemacht habt oder findet so einen Weg eure Probleme selbständig zu lösen.

Die Grundlagen

Als erstes solltet ihr sicherstellen das ihr die neuste Version des E-licenser control center instaliert habt

Dieser sollte immer auf dem aktuellsten Stand sein.

Infos zum E-licenser

Mehr über USB elicensers and soft elicnesers:

Program installation erstellt keinen Soft-eLicenser

Elicenser Fehlermeldungen

Info: Ihr könnt keine permanenten Lizensen vom elcc löschen.
Eine Lizenz kann nicht gleichzeitig auf mehreren Computern benutzt werden.

Bei folgender Fehlermeldung

"Application 'LCC2' has caused the following error:

DCOM connection to program 'Synsopos.exe' failed.
Error:Unspecified error"

Die elicenser.exe muss in der Datenausführungsverhinderung von Win7 deaktiviert werden auch DEP genannt.

Mehr zu DEP von Win7:

Die ersten Konfigurationenschritte wenn Cubase erstmalig geöffnet wird (leider nur englisch im Moment):


Optimizing / Configuration of the OS

Computer mit älteren Windows als vista will sollten mindestens Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 installiert haben

Wo findet man das Absturzprotokoll falls Cubase mal abstürtz
Windows 7: C:\Users\"username"\MyDocuments\Steinberg\crashdumps

Wie man die Preferences löscht wenm cubase nicht startet.
Windows: Ordner löschen C:\Users\"Your User Name"\AppData\Roaming\Steinberg\Cubase 6

Tip: Diesen Ordner vorher am besten sichern, damit man nachher sich z.B persönliche Einstellungen oder Presets wieder holen kann.

Details der Preferences

Wie erstelle ich mir meine Signatur :
Logge dich mit deinem Usernamen und Passwort auf mysteinberg ein. Unter support forum finedst du das Signaturfeld.
Um Links in deiner Signatur zu posten rechts auf das ? klicken für infos how to. Eine Signatur mit deinem System und Cubaseversion ist hilfreich um bei Problemfindung die Faktoren schneller zu erkennen.

Was beim Gebrauch von USB /firewire Soundkarten zu beachten ist.

USB Soundkarten können Probleme machen wenn sie in USB3 Steckplätzen eingesteckt sind. Energiesparoptionen sollten alle deaktiviert sein für alle USBSteckplätze.

Firewire : ??? brauche noch Inputs

Was ist Midi / Audio

Midi ist grob gesagt ein reines Steuersignal und wird benutzt um VST plugins oder externe Synthesiser anzusteuern, damit diese erzeugen dann ein Audiosignal.

Falls dies alles nicht half du im Forum auch keine Hilfe gefunden hast kannst du per mail oder Telefon den Steinbergsupport erreichen.
by Bassbase
Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:27 pm
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Re: Piano Ballad (Broken World)

HiBlake..better all the shows promise..I'd be happy to have a go at the vox on it if you consider me a good enough singer...cheers, Kevin
by shadowfax
Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:26 pm
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REMIX: Bane's "Broken World"

Melodramatic remix:

Warning... it's now a full-on production! :twisted: It starts off as a gentle piano ballad as per Blake's original.... but.... I kinda got carried away :D Sorry Blake :oops:

Quite a bit longer than the original... I changed the structure quite a bit, and well, as you will hear... the arrangement is now quite... BIG. :o

Final chorus's could probably do with a re-sing....

by Sherz
Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:15 am
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JBL LSR 308 Experience - Save Yourselves!!!

Before embarking on this little fit of peak I should acknowledge a couple of things. First I am old, so old in fact that I can tell more ‘I remember when’ stories than Pamela Anderson. Second, I am spoiled, so spoiled that I collect studio monitors for fun running the gamut from old Urei 813s to JBL 4430s and just about everything in between. What can I say? I love studio monitors. So when JBL released the M2’s I thought “… great! JBL is back in the large form-factor monitor game… I gotta get me some of these…” That is until I saw the price tag at which point I bought a bottle of Scotch instead. Fast-forward a few months and low and behold JBL had implemented the groovy wave guide tweeter assembly (derived from the M2)_in a new line of cheap home-studio speakers.

Then came the reviews… “Awesome… Great… Incredible” and a list of superlatives that would play well at an awards ceremony. Well, that was it… I called Sweetwater and they kindly shipped me a pair with their usual great (incredible actually) service and alacrity.

What can I say? Never have I received a shipment of junk so incredibly quickly and professionally.

Where to start? OK… First, one side was broken… At least in terms of the XLR jack… The phone input was fine but really? Once I got things hooked up using ¼ inch I ran some mixes and I was shocked. Not at the mixes… They are OK… But at the ridiculous, and I mean RIDICULOUS amount of bottom-end being pumped out of these things. Even after adjusting the low-end gain using the switch on the back I could not believe how much low end junk was pouring out. And not useful low end but Jack Daniels vomit-sized gobs of low end which you couldn't EQ if your life depended on it (snooty alert – I have a tuned room). Now, I know folks love bass and why not, who doesn't? But bass would just as soon kill you as date you and these things could be hired as extras on a Piranha movie. This bass response was being generated in a free field several feet from all room surfaces (I put placed them where I usually have the NS-10s). To be fair I thought I should move them around the space to see where they could be made to sound passable. I could not find any location in the room where I could stand listening to them for more than a couple of minutes.

Next, the must-vaunted waveguide tweeter and its ‘legendary’ imaging. I’ll keep this short. NS-10s image better than these do. Not just a little better but a lot.

Build quality… I know these are cheap so its not fair to compare build quality to a serious monitor. I would have been more sanguine if the one side actually worked with the XLR input but never mind. All I can say is this… These are cheap crappy assemblies using vinyl over some form of light-weight casing (to reduce shipping costs of course) and my bet is that they will be dying left right and center like t-shirt salesmen at the Battle of Gettysburg

I know I'm being a jerk about all this. Most folks have never heard great monitors in a good room so I guess to that community I apologize for being what Spiro Agnew might have called an ‘effete snob’. But sorry, once you have had a great monitor experience there is no going back and these little JBLs are like going back to Magna Carta. I give these a two out of ten.

I guess I should not be applying at Harmon for a job...
by cpechet1
Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:11 am
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Re: Creating Vocal Harmonies

Granted, I haven't done backing vocals often. Using You Said as an example of one such time...

I used Melodyne on each backing vocal track to fix timing issues, e.g. one vocalist coming in earlier than the rest, etc.

1. I use a group channel called Backup Vocals . All backing vocals, obviously, are routed here with their individual panning set to give a decent spread. On this channel I used Magneto for warmth, Little Microshift (from Sound Toys) to add depth, and GEQ-30 to deal with...well, EQ.

2. I use another group channel called Vocals . Mark Petruzzi's main vocal gets routed here in addition to the Backup Vocals group. On this channel, I use the stock LoCut@120Hz EQ preset and that's pretty much it.

Note that, since Melodyne has a polyphonic mode, I probably could have used it on the Backup Vocal group channel instead of all 3 individual backing vocal tracks to save myself some time.
by foolomon
Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:53 pm
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Re: Creating Vocal Harmonies

I often use Melodyne for vocal harmonies ... but only for testing purpose: check out how some kind of harmony would sound and after making decisions just ditch Melodyne harmonies and sing them myself.

But when working with talented singers (that's anyone else that myself) I try to avoid using Melodyne alltogether. If they are there behind Microphones I just try to hum them what I would like them to sing ... a lot faster than dragging those blobs up and down on the computer screen.
by Jarno
Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:24 pm
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Re: Creating Vocal Harmonies

Two things:

1) Sound on Sound had a very in depth tutorial on how to use Melodyne in the past 6-12 months, my recollection is that it mainly had a technical as opposed to creative focus, but might be worth digging it up to see if there were any pearls there for you.

2) I will often sing a harmony, then hard tune it and bury it off to the side in a busy vocal section, when turned low enough in volume it is almost a subliminal harmony. Doesn't work in "exposed" vocals, but it works great for "Bohemian Rhapsody" type things.

3) Sound on Sound had a suggestion in this month's Cubase tutorial on VariAudio which sounds intriguing: Sing a harmony, then hard tune it (as above), then use THAT as a guide vocal for a real singer to lay down a harmony line. They say it works great, I can't wait to try it.

Parenthetically: thinking of trialing Revoice Pro 2 (, youtubes make it seem like it is so incredibly powerful for harmony work. I trialed the baby version, "Vocalign" and it was utterly amazing how easy it was to match the timing of one vocal line to another ... quite literally a single click of a button. Revoice Pro 2 does that, but in addition it also does doubling work. Though I think it also may generate harmonies, I'll probably do that in VariAudio then bring it over to Revoice Pro 2 if I wind up going that route.
by alexis
Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:01 am
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Re: Creating Vocal Harmonies

Ever tried C7.x's auto harmony generator? Uses the chord track and variaudio. It does the job but of course the generated harmonies often have quite obvious tuning artifacts when solo'd. In the mix they're often useable and I've certainly used them plenty of times in the past.

But, generally there's no substitute for having them sung properly by a real singer!

by Sherz
Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:54 am
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Re: Tips Tricks And Workflow Goodness.

i think a new section on the manual or a separate PDF of all Tips and Tricks could be very refreshing way on how to work more efficiently.
all free, powerful and not Steinberg exclusive.
Who needs Adobe ?
Just saying,

always scan downloads for viruses, you never know. :idea:

Well.. i was more thinking of steinberg to put all Tip and Tricks known by them... its their software i guess they know all of the tricks.. :!:

First- Thanks to Rhino for the links. Very helpful info.

Second- could Bane's 'The Steinberg Forum Knowledgebase for Users by Users' be used for this?
There is already a 'Tips and Tricks' section.

by curteye
Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:37 pm
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Free HALion 5 Programs share some. :)
by Elektrobolt
Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:07 pm
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Re: [new song] The Moment

Always appreciate your comments Jonathan and always take note for future reference (especially in the string department
It's interesting that using today's amazing technology I am able to sound like a "women" would much rather use a real women to sing the part put none of the women I know can sing!!
working on a song now that involves a String section, Viola section and Cellos..gets pretty intense working out where the bits should be...

cheers, Kevin
Yeah, but if you had any of THOSE women from your soundcloud pages in the studio, would you get any work done??
by Neil B
Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:51 am
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Re: Are you an audio engineer but lonely?

The last line kind'a says it all.
I'll give it a pass for now if it's all the same...
by BriHar
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:30 pm
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Re: This is Love

very nice tune ,the vocalist is very very good ,so good i said it twice.The guitar break is good but just a little masked by the keys. the mix and the kit is just a tad harsh ,could do with a little bit more polish in that area and you would have a great sounding track. well done .
by polgara
Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:41 am
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Re: This is Love

Nicely written track! I like the Piano sound you are getting now. I would only criticize the harshness in high end of mix ( very digital sounding) and possibly over use of compressor on gtr solo.

The piano part during Guitar solo is way to busy my ears are being pulled in to many directions. I would suggest block power cords of some sort and just let the lead and drums do the work there...simplify lol
You're productions have come so far!!!
by kzarider
Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:52 pm
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Re: This is Love

Yer comin on in leaps and bounds Blake! :) very pleased for you, it's a good song and the singer is excellent, tend to agree with the other critiques but ..hey, that's how I got better (I think) and that's how you'll keep improving,
well done and keep on keepin on :)

by shadowfax
Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:43 pm
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Re: This is Love

Very nice mate, any chance you could share the lyrics (here or on the soundcloud page). Always nice to hear some fellow Christian musicians :).
I really like the track, nicely produced! The only nit I have is there seems to be some stereo effect on the bassdrum which throws me off all the time when listening on my headphones. Not sure if it's a stereo widener or something else but it sounds strange to me. Probably worse so because my AKGs are known to have a very wide stereo field.

Good mix otherwise though, good job getting the piano and guitar to play together nicely, I find that quite hard to achieve usually!
by Strophoid
Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:12 pm
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Re: This is Love

Yes, this is nice. Nicely recorded & mixed. Perhaps too much piano around the 2.30 break mark for my tastes, but it is a praise band style track after all.
I didn't realise you were a praise band leader - well done.
Just promise me when it's played at services you won't repeat every verse 6 times while powerpoint fails to keep up with the lyrics and that no one is running up and down with a big flag :-)
Just kidding. Loved the track
by Neil B
Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:07 pm
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Re: Dead Forum Society

I see we're now Necromancing, must be a very slow forum :mrgreen:
Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:18 am
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Re: Version 8.0.10....WHEN???? Cause it is needed!!!!!

The next release will fulfill all of your dreams.

That's what I say to my wife...
by lachrimae
Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:41 pm
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Re: Magic Night Quick Loop

Nice ''airy'' and happy piece..lacks ''light and shade'' but as you's a quick demo..but nice.. :)

by shadowfax
Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:14 pm
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