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Re: Thunderbolt

well the older dante cards don't include anything but routing.. and are limited.
the newer Nuage systems are pretty sweet when using the ENTIRE package..
with that said its very "niche" where personally Madi (RME in particular) is still the way to go for most.
we have seen a good number of products over the yrs and nothing has yet to touch madi.
I was doing 192 I/O live systems 9 yrs ago via madi.

I will say that the network protocol has finally come of age but its not really a cost saver when you get into high I/O counts.

the answer more depends on strictly live use and having to route multiple directions or studio use as well..
by JCschild
Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:07 pm
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

I'm not a "pro" whatever the hell that might mean. Actually the use of that term is quite frankly meaningless. If you mean that you earn your entire living from recording the music/spoken word of others then you might have a point. However I suspect that many "pro's" stretch that point to a considerable degree.

For the sake of argument then, to be a professional would suggest a certain reliability. For instance if I went a Lawyer I would expect them to know the area of law they specialised in. Likewise a plumber should be able to do the job and cope with whatever problem is thrown at him. I would certainly be fed up if I went into a studio and had to wait for an engineer to sort out software problems. Taxi drivers have to drive cars that have a record of reliability. To use the latest update on a session is asking for trouble. You have to put the time in to troubleshoot the new version and not introduce it to your clients until you are 100% happy that you know what it can and can't do.
Things go wrong in a studio - it happens. But if it goes wrong because you have not done your research then that is on you.

I have done a session recently and it was clear that I knew more about Cubase than the engineer, but because he knew exactly what he was doing and how to use the hardware and software at his disposal he produced a lovely recording and his client was really happy. Also it was a pleasure for me to be playing and be able to concentrate upon what I was there for.

What does this have to do with the frequency of updates?

Well we all have to balance what we are going to get out of it. For me as someone who enjoys the process of creating music and the learning when it comes to software, am quite happy to take the risk. For "pros" to complain about the difficulties it entails and the professional consequences, then I would just say be more professional.
by silhouette
Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:37 pm
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Re: Workspaces. How make them global for every project ?

Workspaces is ancient in computer years. ;)

When you are in the Organize Workspaces window, uncheck Show Project Presets so it says Workspace Presets (Global) above the right pane.

Select your presets in the left pane.

Click the > symbol to copy the presets to the right pane.

Now these will be available in all new projects.

I wish Steinberg will do it like Logic, Studio One 2 and Sonar X3 have. I mean no more workspaces (complicated), but one window with few buttons to view or not view inspector, editors, mediabay and mixconsole. Please, no. Anyway Logic does have workspaces, in addition to the single window interface you mentioned.
by SteveInChicago
Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:18 am
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Re: One little feature question regarding 7.5.20

A mixer is a mixer, and should look like a ......................mixer
Except when Steinbergs designers design it, I guess. ;)

I think that Steinberg do listen to their customers, and we enjoy regular updates as a result. Someone has already posted a means of showing the meter and Control room mixer side by side which I found extremely helpful and is a very suitable solution to the OP's original query.

After 30 years of use, Cubase as it has become so much a part of my creative life that I have ceased to have an opinion about it. It just is. I invest in the upgrades and constantly discover new features that demonstrate to me that real care and thought has gone into its design over all of that time. And I know that the development team work tirelessly to improve its stability.

I often think there are a group of Cubase forum users who seem to spend their lives "testing" Cubase and howl with joy when they find a supposed problem that I will probably never experience. And you know what? I simply do not care about how this or that inconsequential bug hampers their "workflow" (God how I hate that meaningless word).

I think computers and musicians are not great fellows and a lot of the comment I see here is damning evidence that you cannot necessarily be good at both. Cubase is an incredibly complex programme which I am still learning after all these years. My sole advantage over some here is that I possess the necessary patience with it to get the end result that I want.
by Graham_Simmonds
Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:43 pm
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Re: Cubase iC Pro for Android available now!

The Nexus 7 has a screen size of about 7". Up to about 8" the smartphone version is displayed Surely it would make more sense if this was determined by screen resolution, and not physical size? The Nexus 7 2013 has a resolution of 1920x1200, yet there is only the smartphone display? Another way to look at it is, how many people have 7" smartphones, seriously?

This is a show-stopper for me. Can an option be added to force tablet display at least?
by MrSoundman
Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:34 pm
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Re: Antsy for Eight - Feelings, Warm Fuzzies and Fears


So much so, that I'm about to purchase a backup motherboard of the exact same brand and model (so that Windows doesn't have to be reinstalled due to a different motherboard replacement, should this one fail).

btw. this is not needed-- i'm into my second motherboard (different chipset), different CPU, different GFX card, but the same windows 7 (that have been working flawlessly). there's a windows feature called sysprep that uninstalls all chipset-related drivers prior to switching up hardware. it's taken me about five minutes to move the system SSD into a new DAW, have it detect the new mobo and CPU and GPU and be up and running. (note: not raid-compatible.)
by lukasbrooklyn
Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:16 am
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Re: download 'speed' SOLVED

I initially followed the DL link from the Asknet site. That DL was only 3.8GB.. I canceled that. Updated elicenser, upgraded my C7.5 license then went to My Steinberg/My Products and there is the full installer - 9.1GB. That DL speed is running at the slow end at 425KB/sec and as fast as 750KB/sec.. says 4hrs or so to DL..
by Sid Chigger
Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:52 pm
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Re: 4 significant Cubase 8 issues I'm seeing

If one is recording at low latency so they can monitor reasonably well without disconcerting delays ... but the backing track is at high latency ... I have a hard time picturing how one can record well, unless you can perform to a backing track that plays long after you hit your notes ...?

(Isn't that the reason that "Constrain Delay Compensation" exists ... to avoid added latency of some tracks that have VSTi's with long latency (so it's not crazy trying to record)?
Help! :)
Yes, that used to be kind of what the Delay Compensation did .. it was a way to record at low latency in a project that had high latency plugins.

So, 20 years later ....

There is enough memory and CPU available for the project to play ahead. Imagine an invisible cursor that has already played your song and loaded that into memory. When you click play, it looks like it is playing what is under the cursor, when in reality it is streaming stuff it wrote into memory awhile ago. To you it looks like it is just now playing ( the project cursor ), but to the project it is already playing 20ms or whatever ahead of you... you just don't hear it yet.

So, you click the monitor button ... it simply subtracts the extra buffers and adds to the stream at the correct location. I'm oversimplifying a bit I'm sure, but it isn't too far off of this. It also does take system resources to do the "look ahead" processing.

Instead of Constrain Delay removing the plugins from the path, the system now just reads the output into memory before YOUR cursor gets to the point you need to hear it.
by JMCecil
Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:44 pm
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Re: Cubase 8 is a pain to work with

Basically, there is a reason why the taskbar works the way it does. Bypassing it to create your own "app manager" (The C8 Main toolbar), jacks up that concept completely. If you have other programs open, C8 interferes with them. All that fuss and it still didn't fix the Z-Order problem, which by the way is built into the Windows UI Framework capabilities with a simple ID call. Also, the old MDI was incorrectly done as well. All of that resizing could have been avoided even with the old windows MDI setup. As I've said before, we just replaced one bad MDI interface with another bad MDI interface. I'm assuming this is to keep the same code working across Mac and Windows. If I'm correct on that, then it's an absolutely horrible idea as far as I'm concerned. The UI will never work properly if they keep trying to shoehorn in concepts between environments. I personally can't stand the Mac UI. Having the MAC concept on Windows is even worse.
by JMCecil
Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:39 pm
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Re: Cubase 8 is a pain to work with

I did ask, or is it too much for this uneducated chap, why it is so horribly dangerous? You are apparently in possession of this knowledge and I am not. Tell me why it is so egregious please do. That is what I asked. I said it was over my head. You are the guy "weighing in". All I'm asking is "what do you mean?"
No explanation = no "train wreck". Get it? Or are you saying that the Steinberg programmers are totally incompetent? If so. Then we, the "uneducated" "asses" as you called me need an explanation otherwise it's just another pointless rant. I would not appreciate an answer saying that "I wouldn't understand...." that also would = no "train wreck".
Actually, not just you. There must be other experienced programmers reading this who could tell me just how big a "train wreck" this is. Pointer to a clear layman's explanation would do. It's a genuine request. Thanks all and a happy new year.
My apologies if I misread the tone of your previous post.

Regarding the "UI train wreck" that is the Mac-like, pseudo global menu bar and associated gray background "container," this is problematic for multiple reasons:
It works differently from almost every other Windows program ever developed (at least the ones that actually follow Microsoft's UI guidelines). In fact, I don't think I have ever seen any program on any OS that places a menu bar in the title bar of the window. So right off the bat, Steinberg is using an utterly novel UI paradigm. This is never a good idea unless you are solving a usability problem that cannot be solved in any other way. But that is not the case at all. Almost every other program in existence manages multiple windows without resorting to its own proprietary windowing system.
Okay, so people can probably get used to the new, non-standard combined menu bar / title bar design (even though it looks horrible on Windows 7 unless you hack the Registry to turn off the Aero Glass "etching" effect in the title bar). But does this weird menu actually solve the problem it was intended to solve? Not really. Although it is now possible to open the Key Editor, for instance, on another monitor without extending your main Cubase window across both monitors, there is no reason why this could not be done using standard menu bars on both windows. Take a look at how Evernote and countless other programs allow you to open separate windows/documents on separate monitors. These programs do this in a straightforward manner that adheres to all existing Windows UI conventions.
Well, even if the new design is non-standard (which is probably not a good thing,) how bad is it really? Bad, really bad. The problem is that this new system conflicts with how Windows itself manages application windows thus leading to all kinds of window focus issues.
I suspect that Steinberg took this approach in a misguided attempt to rationalize their UI across the Mac and PC with the intention of saving development/documentation time and resources going forward. But as others have pointed out, being cheap and trying to make a PC work like a Mac is bound to fail and result in all sorts of compromises that users are now experiencing with Cubase 8. This is coming from someone who uses multiple Mac computers for almost everything except music production, btw.
by Gadget Fiend
Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:32 am
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Re: Cubase 8 is a pain to work with

Most likely it wasn't the rank and file developers, but rather some obnoxious Mid-level Mac-weenie in Marketing who believes his/her thought process is superior to all. I suspect it will quickly be corrected with an 8.1 fix as was the same pompous mistake that was Windows 8.
I'm not so sure this will be a quick fix. Steinberg needs to go back to the drawing board and fundamentally re-think not only its approach to window management on the PC but also its cross-platform strategy. First and foremost, the company needs to follow widely accepted/adopted Windows UI guidelines (and more broadly, basic usability standards and conventions). And if this necessitates somewhat different features in the Mac and PC versions of Cubase, then so be it. Company's that truly care about user experience take this approach - they leverage what is best on each platform.
by Gadget Fiend
Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:16 am
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Re: Poll: frequent "hot fixes"or quarterly updates?

Why not both? Hotfixes for serious errors which need addressing ASAP, and regular updates which will add ongoing development together with lower priority fixes. Hotfixes would usually be integrated into the regular updates.
That's the model our software vendors use where I work - of course their customer base has a lot more clout.
by BriHar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:53 pm
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Re: Best Audio Interface for Cubase-Thoughts/Opinions

I use the integration to the fullest. Before it I never used Cubase's Control Room, but now it's an important part of my workflow, and well, I think the clients kind of like when they see I'm doing all inside the Daw. In the other hand I like been able to test some parameters in monitoring with Morph Channel and then use it as a vst insert :D

Agreed that it looks sexy to clients. If you wanna really get em excited, have them mix their own headphone cues on their phone with Cubase IC!
by enjneer
Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:30 am
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Re: Sound quality

In Cubase 8x over Cubase 7x only changes have been made to the filter slope. In C7 both high and low pre filters were set to a fixed slope of 24dB/8ve. In C8 this has been changed to an individually selectable slope of 6,12,24,36,& 48 dB and the default value is now 12dB. This is an overall improvement, however for migrated projects, the old value of 24dB probably wasn't saved (because it wasn't an option) so the default value of 12 is probably substituted which is going to impact the sound.
Would have been better if one could set a Pref for the default value and/or leave the default set at 24 - might have prevented the current quandary.
As it stands, I don't know if this could be corrected for all audio tracks in the PLE ?
by BriHar
Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:23 pm
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Re: 8.0.20 Release Date


the 8.0.20 release is much closer than you might think, and I really mean it.

The hovering is being looked at, yes. But I don't know the status, surely a UI change won't happen in a point release. The 'AOT' Mixer is also being looked at. There are trades in this regard, as the change of having the plug-ins editors on top complicated the situation quite a bit.

The menu bar is how menus look in Windows 7 - if you refer in particular to the issues with zoom factors higher than 100%, this is being looked into since the issue has been reported, but as Win 7 and 8 behave differently, the fix on 7 is much more complicated that it might seem (

Kind regards,
by Fabio Bartolini
Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:44 am
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Re: Where do you guys stand on Sample Rate (Khz)

Cheung–Marks theorem
You don't have to worry about Cheung–Marks, because:
Generally, the Cheung–Marks theorem shows the sampling theorem becomes ill-posed when the area (integral) of the squared magnitude of the interpolation function over all time is not finite
In every real-world digital audio application iterpolation function IS finite which makes integral of it's square finite too. Of course finite interpolation function introduces errors in signal reconstruction, but these errors are extreamly small and most of all predictable, and can easily be made smaller than thermal noise of the electrons on your cable, if you just want to. So saying you can't reprduce music accurately with Shannon-Nyqvist, you might as well say: you cannot transfer music accurately in any cable. True in principle, but hardly worth of second though.
by Jarno
Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:54 pm
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What really happens during Soundchecks this:

(skip to 0:40 if you dont speak ze german :)
by Derek
Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:33 pm
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