The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

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The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby TheNavigator » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:26 pm

I just studied what I could find out about the UR44 so far and there is many, many things I already LOVE about it:

* 4 Outputs: YES, YES, YES!! For the studio: use control room with a monitor simulator for the headphones (as I do), for live: CLICK TRACK!!

* 6 Inputs, with 2 High Z and lots of mic preamps: SERIOUSLY!!

Guys, whoever specified that thing is a GENIUS. This is the last audio interface about 95% of home studio owners will EVER need. :D

(But may I ask about the converters used? AKM? ;-) )
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:30 pm

Man I agree, but am so bummed out. I wish this were available about 6 months ago when I dropped my CI1.

It looks like there are actually six monitor outputs on the back (not to mention two headphone outs) though some of them are run off the same channel.

Very good move, if I didn't have a Scarlett I would have bought this thing.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby curteye » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:54 pm

+1 Looks great!

And with that bit rate this thing must be very 'cleeeeeean' sounding.

If what I saw/heard on the video was made on this box,
Steiny has another winner on its hands.

And if you could 'stack' two (or more) there could the possibility of
recording a rhythm section using a basic rudimentary drum kit.

1-drum kit and bass/guit
or
2-drum kit and bass/keys.

Then do yer overdubs.

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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby cubic13 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:53 pm

Errr... Where is the ADAT in/out ? And how am I supposed to connect BOTH my VMK-188+ and MPD-32 controllers ?

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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby beatpete » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:03 pm

It looks interesting bu I'd sure like to know the specs, Dynamic Range of A/D and D/A etc. for the UR44 (not to mention the UR22 and UR28M).
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby stevo1080 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:13 pm

The Getting Started manual for the UR44 has technical specs but it doesn't seem to be available as a download.
Here's a few details for you all.

The manual contained some errors in the specs. I have updated them from an Errata document and highlighted them in red below. I have left the incorrect values and placed them inside { } brackets.

Mic Input 1-4 (balanced)
    Freq Resp +0.1/-0.2 db, 20 Hz to 22 kHz
    Dyn Range 101db, A-Weighted
    THD+N 0.003% 1Khz, -1dBFS, 22Hz/22Khz BPF
    Max Input Level +4dBu {-4dBu}
    Gain Range +8dB - +52dB {+16db - +60db}
Hi Z Input 1/2 (unbalanced)
    Max Input Level +8.5 dBV
    Input Impedance 1M ohm {500k ohm}
    Gain Range +-0dB to +44dB
Line Input 3/4 (balanced/unbalanced)
    Max Input Level +24dBu {+22dBu}
    Input Imp 20k ohm
    Gain Range -12dB - +32dB {-10dB - +34dB}
Line Input 5/6 (balanced/unbalanced)
    Freq Resp +0.1/-0.1dB, 20Hz to 22kHz
    Dyn Range 102 dB, A-Weighted
    THD+N 0.001%, 1kHz, -1dBFS, 22Hz/22kHz BPF
    Max Input Level +22dBu {+16dBu}
    Input Imp 30k ohm (+4dBu input), 20k ohm (-10 dBV input) {20k ohm (+4dBu input), 10k ohm (-10 dBV input)}
    Gain Selection -10dB or +7.8dB switchable {-4dB or +7.8dB switchable}
Line Output 1-4 (balanced/unbalanced)
    Freq Resp +0.1/-0.1dB, 20Hz to 22khz
    Dyn Range 106dB, A-Weighted
    THD+N 0.001%, 1kHz, -1dBFS, 22Hz/22kHz BPF
    Max Output Level +16dBu
    Output Imp 75 ohm
Main Output (balanced/unbalanced)
    Freq Resp +0.1/-0.1dB, 20Hz to 22khz
    Dyn Range 106dB, A-Weighted
    THD+N 0.001%, 1kHz, -1dBFS, 22Hz/22kHz BPF
    Max Output Level +16dBu {+18dBu}
    Output Imp 75 ohm
Phones 1/2
    Max Output level 35mW + 35mW, 40 ohm
USB
    Specification USB2.0, 24 bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96/176.4/192 kHz

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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby jxm » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:03 am

Thanks for posting this - waiting for mine to arrive. I needed the outputs to feed 2 DSLRs along with my mains. Also it will be interesting recording guitars dry with an amp emulated zero latency mix.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby alexis » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:48 pm

I wonder how the pre-amps and converters compare w/ the UR28M.

Also:
UR28M: S/PDIF, no MIDI
UR44: MIDI, no S/PDIF

Tough choice for me.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:56 pm

Generally in my experience, interfaces in the same line have the same preamps/converters. Unless you have another interface with S/PDIF (and even then), I would choose MIDI over that every time.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby alexis » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Bane wrote:Generally in my experience, interfaces in the same line have the same preamps/converters. Unless you have another interface with S/PDIF (and even then), I would choose MIDI over that every time.


Thanks, Bane. Still trying to get my head around the UR44 selling for $100US cheaper than the UR28M, even though the UR44 has two more preamps ... :?:
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:05 pm

I haven't had a chance to compare specs yet but I suppose it's due in part to the fact that the UR28M would also function well as a monitor controller. More ergonomic than the typical box layout the UR44 has.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby alexis » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:26 pm

Bane wrote:I haven't had a chance to compare specs yet but I suppose it's due in part to the fact that the UR28M would also function well as a monitor controller. More ergonomic than the typical box layout the UR44 has.


Good point, Bane. Also, iirc, the ur28M can also be operated independently of a computer/iPad, for example as a preamp in a live environment. I don't know if the UR44 can.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:03 pm

I thought I heard that the UR44 is class compliant but not sure if that means it will work standalone or only powers itself with tablet devices like iPad.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby stevo1080 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:14 pm

Bane wrote:I thought I heard that the UR44 is class compliant but not sure if that means it will work standalone or only powers itself with tablet devices like iPad.


Yeah, class compliant it is. You need to physically switch to CC Mode when using it with an iPad (and switch CC mode off when using a PC/Mac). Also, no USB bus power here. Must be powered with the supplied AC adapter.
I haven't tried using it standalone but there is no suggestion that this would work. The manual examples are all while the UR44 is connected to either a PC/Mac or iPad. Still, I will give it a go and see what happens.... :D

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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:25 pm

If everything is armed by DSP, then really it should have a standalone capability. This cannot be marketed as standalone because in the true sense, all DSP routing and FX need to be editable on the device itself without a computer. This is what we have seen with the MOTU and RME interfaces. Normally I'll just play music through my ipod or keyboard/guitar then disconnect the USB plug and see if it continues, which is how I found out my Scarlett remembers its routing until it's unplugged from the outlet.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby foolomon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:10 pm

Bane wrote:Very good move, if I didn't have a Scarlett I would have bought this thing.


I almost bought that (the 18i20, right?) a few months ago because of the number of inputs and, well, it's Focusrite so it's gonna be good quality for the price point. And unless Sam Ash starts carrying the UR44, the Scarlett will probably win eventually since I can put it on my Sam Ash card the next time they run a 12 months or more "same as cash deal."

My question is: are you happy with your Scarlett?
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:56 pm

foolomon wrote:
Bane wrote:Very good move, if I didn't have a Scarlett I would have bought this thing.


I almost bought that (the 18i20, right?) a few months ago because of the number of inputs and, well, it's Focusrite so it's gonna be good quality for the price point. And unless Sam Ash starts carrying the UR44, the Scarlett will probably win eventually since I can put it on my Sam Ash card the next time they run a 12 months or more "same as cash deal."

My question is: are you happy with your Scarlett?


Very much so. It really checks all the boxes at my pricepoint and the whole construction seems to be topnotch.

That said, something to consider is that the Scarlett DSP Mixer does not have DSP FX processing capabilities like the UR's and other big names. There is a design flaw with my 8i6, being that there is no power switch on the unit. The 6i6 and 18i8 were released a week after I picked mine up (and fixed the issue but had no loopback ins). The 18i20 is alright on that though. I would take a Scarlett 18i20 over a UR44 any day.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby claurence » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:35 pm

How about a Scarlett 18i20 versus the UR824?
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby Bane » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:41 pm

claurence wrote:How about a Scarlett 18i20 versus the UR824?


Depends on what's important to the user. UR824 has more channels, due in large to it's extensive digital expansion and again there is a lot of DSP power under the hood. OTOH, the Scarlett definitely has better quality innards, but possibly not enough that you are going to notice in the end. But why do you think the likes of Prism Sound interfaces are held in such high esteem? Because the tech specs of their inner parts are beyond repute.

Personally for my next interface, I'm keeping my eyes on MOTU's Ultralite MK3, which you may want to give a look Larry. It's about $550.
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Re: The UR44 seems to be a sweet spot!

Postby stevo1080 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:53 pm

Bane wrote:If everything is armed by DSP, then really it should have a standalone capability. This cannot be marketed as standalone because in the true sense, all DSP routing and FX need to be editable on the device itself without a computer. This is what we have seen with the MOTU and RME interfaces. Normally I'll just play music through my ipod or keyboard/guitar then disconnect the USB plug and see if it continues, which is how I found out my Scarlett remembers its routing until it's unplugged from the outlet.



Yeah Bane, you are correct.
Unplug the USB cable and the UR44 still functions, pre-amps and all.....

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