VariAudio 2.x

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VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:12 pm

1. Can the Info readout/detail that displayed INSIDE the segments, be returned please..? They are gone from C7. I found this info to be useful right there where you need it (when zoomed in large enough etc...).
NB:- Info Line readout is too small/indistinct/inadequate at present. Too much eyeball movement back and forth to where you are actually working on screen.
EDIT:- A Tooltip appearing as you move segments, would cover this item - as stated in Manual - but, is currently not working. See - viewtopic.php?f=184&t=45748 for detail

2. 'Acoustic Feedback' improvements - See Melodyne when clicking/holding/moving blobs - the 'note' sounds indefinitely; you hear what you are doing as you move, drag, pitch up or down the 'note' blobs; very nice, very useful.

3. Ability to adjust the individual note (segment) AMPLITUDES, again, just like in Melodyne (an extra mouse tool..?).

4. Increase the pitch range that VariAudio detects, above (and below..?)
https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtop ... 75&t=39349

5. Be able to set center frequency (A=440, 442, 445, etc,)
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=26547
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=57019

6. Attack/Release slider (for smoother/better control over note transition)
https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtop ... 82&t=44592

7. Preserve VA edits in Backup (project to new location). Fix or Feature Request - you decide.
https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtop ... 82&t=44370

8. Formant control/adjustment tool needs adding

9. Rethink or combine the Pitch/Warp and Segment modes - why do they have to be separate..? Makes for a slightly clumsy workflow at present. Why not simply extend the (right-click) 'toolbox' abilities..? Replace two 'modes' with one button called 'Analyse' to the right-hand menu (under VariAudio tab).

10. Add new ability to show 'Reference Track' waveform image (user chosen) for easier lining up of notes
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=56985

11. Key Commands for tools and functions in VariAudio
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=57268
viewtopic.php?f=194&t=67783

12. Transport - Functionality is already in place to double-click anywhere in the Ruler Line to start/stop playback from that position . Can that be extended to also allow this by double-clicking in any blank/empty space in the window (Melodyne has this and it is a killer workflow enhancer). EDIT -Could be useful in other editor windows too of course..! ;)

13. New functionality request - ability to add vibrato to notes/segments
viewtopic.php?f=181&t=69392


Thanks for listening.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Gabealicious » Sun May 05, 2013 7:06 am

I second your suggestions. Steinberg did not improve VariAudio in any way with C7; they broke it. Give us the old behavior back!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:04 am

Thank you Gabealicious... ;)

Fix for what they broke, coming in 7.0.4 update (out sometime this month..?)..!!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Oswlek » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:07 pm

I agree with all of this. No reason at all to take away the note details and hearing the notes would be immensely useful.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Sinned » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:18 am

+1
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Jim B » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:41 am

Same here!
I've just had a recording session in a studio where the engineer used top end ProTools, and I noticed that when he needed to pitch correct PT showed him exactly how much it was out!
I want that back in Cubase !!!

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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby brynte5 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:32 am

+1
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:29 am

Added two more to the list and unashamedly giving this a little bump... :)
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby samwax » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:00 am

sadly i feel Vari audio has a long way to get to perfection .... sm
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:59 pm

samwax wrote:sadly i feel Vari audio has a long way to get to perfection .... sm

Oh, I dunno... ;)

I'm not waiting/wanting/wishing for any polyphonic, Melodyne Editor type DNA capabilities here; or access to exotic microtonal scales and corrections.

With VA 2.0 the ability to edit more than one 'phrase' in the same editor window, made for a very productive enhancement IMHO. Include some Amplitude and Formant control/adjustment tools and I'm more than happy.

(other stuff noted in the opening post would be really nice too..!)
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby jules » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:05 pm

+1. By the way, formant correction could also be a precious add on.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Bane » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:35 am

In the meantime I'd like to see a better means of Melodyne integration than the current transfer cycle which is conducted through a plugin. To have more intuitive means of transfer would be invaluable if properly implemented. Could there be patents or issues after what Studio One has done? What do you think Puma?
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby samwax » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:15 am

In the end , its all about saving time , exporting / re- importing audio files to process else where , i belive in C 5 ? was it? , direct opening to wave lab , even that was disabled , is it fixed now , older versions of Cubase could do it , why remove good old features , ofcourse add new ones , keep them old ones , optionally usable ... finally everything vertically integrated in to one digital domain . n everyone is :D sm
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:32 pm

Bane wrote:In the meantime I'd like to see a better means of Melodyne integration than the current transfer cycle which is conducted through a plugin. To have more intuitive means of transfer would be invaluable if properly implemented. Could there be patents or issues after what Studio One has done? What do you think Puma?

Hi Bane... as far as I know, it is up to any third party host developer whether to integrate Celemony's ARA technology - I believe its free (royalty/license free), much like SB's VST SDK. Celemony win by perhaps getting the host customer to buy into upgrades to Melodyne...

The host developers may just see this as extra workload/hassle, for little or no real gain themselves. Certainly, SB will not be interested seeing as how they have their own very good solution, that has seen significant enhancement at VA 2.0

Studio One's integration of ARA is quite slick from what I've seen - yet it has to be noted, quite basic out of the box (Melodyne Essentials included)..! Unless you make an extra purchase to upgrade to Melodyne Assistant (or Editor, for full polyphonic DNA access), you may only achieve limited results.

I would say VA in Cubase matches (and now beats) Melodyne Assistant level integration/workflow, EXCEPT for direct access to the note amplitude and formant correction... ;)
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Bane » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:49 am

Hey Puma, thanks for filling me in on how this works. I just bought Melodyne Essentials a week or so ago and with the ever growing amount of vocal and monophonic recordings coming my way, it's proved indispensable.

Perhaps Steinberg may not have an incentive now with VariAudio now coming of age. In fact I read an article about the capabilities of VariAudio to use chord track data to suggest harmony parts--very cool! 8-)

Nevertheless, I still prefer the workflow of Melodyne, albeit tedious when used with Cubase thanks to the Transfer process. Add tempo changes and your going to be busy for awhile, haha. I can't wait for VariAudio to progress to the point where it is sold as a standalone app too.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby trashdinner » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:24 pm

huge +1 Please steiny!!!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby ulesto » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:53 pm

Huge +1 for return of segment labels!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby vanhaze3000 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:32 am

+1 also , please SB !!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Cut-a-Corner » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:56 pm

+1 ( but don't overload it, mouse tools are better !)

and i wan't to add one BIG thing for me:
since i use cubase 7.5 i have to hold down CNTRL to adjust the pitch in snap mode.
i almost NEVER would use the pitch correction without snap to new note...
does somebody know were i can change that back / invert that behavior?

and the next change:
the X for mute in the middle is hard to handle. please make mute a tool and get rid of that annoying x .
every third note i try to correct is muted, accidentally.
and i personally think its not that often needed that you have to
make "mute" available at one click. A mouse tool for mute (exact like in the project window) is better for the workflow and more consistent for the whole application.

BTW: i love Variaudio. Easy workflow and creates great results!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby marQs » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:49 am

Cut-a-Corner wrote:i almost NEVER would use the pitch correction without snap to new note...
does somebody know were i can change that back / invert that behavior?


To be found in preferences, tool modifiers.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Puma0382 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:30 pm

Good stuff guys..! Keep the ideas coming... ;)

Thanks to marQs for the tip about choice of functionality/modifier change in Preferences - not often known to look there...

This business about the mute 'X'; obviously peeving to some folk, so a Feature Request it is. But for me, I always have the segments sized bigger (vertically) so I've more room to click (and 'miss' accidentally hitting the muting area). Then again, I'd be perfectly happy with a modifier or, as Cut-a-Corner says, 'mouse tools are better..!' (see Melodyne - all important tools are in a mouse friendly toolbox, right where you are working).

Having to switch between the Segment vs Pitch/Warp 'mode' is getting tiresome; surely it could be more elegant than this.

But my current real bug-bear has become the restricted mechanism used to preview/audition (audibly) as you perform any segment editing. Upon clicking, you hear the duration of the segment playback once and once only. I would really, really benefit from how Melodyne works here; notes continue to sound as long as you hold down a click on the 'blob' (segment). If you've ever used it, you know what I mean... :)

Anyway, onwards folks..!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby trashdinner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:13 am

The fact that if you correct the pitch of a bloc of vocal (or if you change the note), the sssss or shhh automatically sounds really bad and has a little stutter effect ... it's driving me crazy and I tried to make a video today but there's no way to get the sound working in my video capture software for some reason :( Please Steinberg fix that issue!! I'll try to make a video with sound if I find a way.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby marQs » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:38 am

trashdinner wrote:The fact that if you correct the pitch of a bloc of vocal (or if you change the note), the sssss or shhh automatically sounds really bad and has a little stutter effect ...


Cut them into segments and leave them untouched. That's what I do in VA and in Melodyne as well, sounds way more natural.
But I agree that an automatic 'SSSS' detection would be handy!
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby Cut-a-Corner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:58 pm

marQs wrote:
trashdinner wrote:The fact that if you correct the pitch of a bloc of vocal (or if you change the note), the sssss or shhh automatically sounds really bad and has a little stutter effect ...


Cut them into segments and leave them untouched. That's what I do in VA and in Melodyne as well, sounds way more natural.
But I agree that an automatic 'SSSS' detection would be handy!


Yeah that's expected behavior trashdinner.
i personally don't know a pitch correction tool wich doesn't have problems with Ssss.
Cutting Ssss off is and pitch everything else is the standart solution.

- to make a automatic Sssss detection would be a nice idea.
it could be a little help if it only marks the "ssss" segments with a different color.
then the user can decide if it IS a "Ssss" or a note.

BUT: if this slows the speed of detection in variaudio i wouldn't like this.
because i love how fast variaudio analyzes the material.
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Re: VariAudio 2.x

Postby trashdinner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:48 pm

Cut-a-Corner wrote:
marQs wrote:
trashdinner wrote:The fact that if you correct the pitch of a bloc of vocal (or if you change the note), the sssss or shhh automatically sounds really bad and has a little stutter effect ...


Cut them into segments and leave them untouched. That's what I do in VA and in Melodyne as well, sounds way more natural.
But I agree that an automatic 'SSSS' detection would be handy!


Yeah that's expected behavior trashdinner.
i personally don't know a pitch correction tool wich doesn't have problems with Ssss.
Cutting Ssss off is and pitch everything else is the standart solution.

- to make a automatic Sssss detection would be a nice idea.
it could be a little help if it only marks the "ssss" segments with a different color.
then the user can decide if it IS a "Ssss" or a note.

BUT: if this slows the speed of detection in variaudio i wouldn't like this.
because i love how fast variaudio analyzes the material.


I agree with you that speed is important, but I had way better results with Autotune in terms of esses .... I don't think intergrating an sssss detection would slow down things that much, it's basically a frequecy detection (like a deesser) which is not greedy at all on the cpu.
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