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Postby Vocalpoint » Mon May 06, 2013 7:13 pm

Just downloaded the new v8 archive and took a look into the Documentation folder....823 glorious pages....

After the debacle of documentation in v7 - this feels like a brand new day!

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby kj » Mon May 06, 2013 9:30 pm

after all ...
... well done ...
... thank you !!!! :D

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby fenderchris » Mon May 06, 2013 10:24 pm

Vocalpoint wrote:Just downloaded the new v8 archive and took a look into the Documentation folder....823 glorious pages....

After the debacle of documentation in v7 - this feels like a brand new day!

VP


That's more like it!

It might now be time to upgrade.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Arjan P » Mon May 06, 2013 11:01 pm

Sounds promising, though page count alone doesn't say that much. Are the pages in a normal printable size, like 'Letter' or 'A4', or did they stick to the size of the print version that is no longer a print version? I'm about to find out myself shortly: the download is in, all I need now is time and no projects that don't allow for interruption..
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby StevenWL » Tue May 07, 2013 12:44 am

I can't find where to download the manual or is it only available after purchase? Thanks
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby kj » Tue May 07, 2013 9:25 am

Are the pages in a normal printable size, like 'Letter' or 'A4'


Yes, just tried out: it prints comfortably in A4.

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby kj » Tue May 07, 2013 9:27 am

Hi Philippe,

will this manual be available in a printed book form at one time?

This would be much appreciated.

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Arjan P » Tue May 07, 2013 2:02 pm

It may be me, but I don't see any pdf in the documentation directory (let alone the number of pages from within WL), just a Wavelab-8.qch file.. Is there any way I can open this outside Wavelab for reference?
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby razor7music » Tue May 07, 2013 3:48 pm

Dang--I installed the progam and didn't realize all of the documentation would be in one of the folders. Any chance that manual is available online for download? I'd like to read it at lunch and I don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby MrSoundman » Tue May 07, 2013 4:19 pm

kj wrote:will this manual be available in a printed book form
... or at least an option to purchase it seperately, for example the manual for Vegas Pro (~700 pages) is available via Lulu.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Vocalpoint » Tue May 07, 2013 4:58 pm

razor7music wrote:Dang--I installed the progam and didn't realize all of the documentation would be in one of the folders. Any chance that manual is available online for download? I'd like to read it at lunch and I don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is.


Hmm...the PDF is sitting right there in the Documentation directory in my installer folders (After I decompressed the actual archive that I downloaded).

Just grab a copy and read it anywhere?

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby TimoWildenhain » Tue May 07, 2013 5:55 pm

Hello,

we're not going to print the manual due to the environmental impacts.

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby fenderchris » Tue May 07, 2013 6:22 pm

TimoWildenhain wrote:Hello,

we're not going to print the manual due to the environmental impacts.

Thanks for your understanding.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby MrSoundman » Tue May 07, 2013 7:20 pm

TimoWildenhain wrote:we're not going to print the manual due to the environmental impacts
OK, but Steinberg don't have to print it ... if it were to be published on the net, there would at least be the option for the relatively small number of people who need a printed manual to obtain one, and the environmental impact of that would be a lot less than home printing.

By the way, I don't buy the "environmental impact" argument ... what's the environmental impact of manufacturing all the iPADs on which the PDFs are being read?
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby fuzzydude » Tue May 07, 2013 7:28 pm

MrSoundman wrote:
TimoWildenhain wrote:we're not going to print the manual due to the environmental impacts
OK, but Steinberg don't have to print it ... if it were to be published on the net, there would at least be the option for the relatively small number of people who need a printed manual to obtain one, and the environmental impact of that would be a lot less than home printing.

By the way, I don't buy the "environmental impact" argument ... what's the environmental impact of manufacturing all the iPADs on which the PDFs are being read?


I think the environmental impact argument might be that a door stop of a manual is an entity unto itself where an iPad or Kindle can store/access thousands of books.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby razor7music » Tue May 07, 2013 9:13 pm

Vocalpoint wrote:
razor7music wrote:Dang--I installed the progam and didn't realize all of the documentation would be in one of the folders. Any chance that manual is available online for download? I'd like to read it at lunch and I don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is.


Hmm...the PDF is sitting right there in the Documentation directory in my installer folders (After I decompressed the actual archive that I downloaded).

Just grab a copy and read it anywhere?

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I wrote, "...don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is."
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Vocalpoint » Tue May 07, 2013 9:26 pm

razor7music wrote:I wrote, "...don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is."


I assume when you say "read it at lunch" - you mean on another computer?

Just get a flash drive or a "cloud" location (Skydrive) and copy it to either. Then copy it to you work machine when you get there. Done.

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Arjan P » Tue May 07, 2013 9:48 pm

Vocalpoint wrote:Hmm...the PDF is sitting right there in the Documentation directory in my installer folders (After I decompressed the actual archive that I downloaded).

Right. Thanks Bruce, it is indeed in the (temporary) installation directory. Just started a fake installation on my netbook and grabbed it from there. Strange though that it is not copied to the final install location - or reachable from within Wavelab 8 itself.

And, indeed it looks like the good old Wavelab manuals we were used to again! Thank you Steinberg for listening to many of us after the abominal WL7 'manual'. And even in A4 format, great!
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby razor7music » Wed May 08, 2013 12:24 am

Vocalpoint wrote:
razor7music wrote:I wrote, "...don't have access to my computer at home where the document folder is."


I assume when you say "read it at lunch" - you mean on another computer?

Just get a flash drive or a "cloud" location (Skydrive) and copy it to either. Then copy it to you work machine when you get there. Done.

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Now THAT is a really good idea.

Thanks
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Vocalpoint » Wed May 08, 2013 9:31 pm

Arjan P wrote:Strange though that it is not copied to the final install location - or reachable from within Wavelab 8 itself.


It's not reachable in Wavelab? What's the point of a manual if one cannot get to it?

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby PG » Wed May 08, 2013 9:33 pm

The entire PDF contents is contained in the online documentation. It's exactly the same, under another form.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Vocalpoint » Wed May 08, 2013 9:46 pm

PG wrote:The entire PDF contents is contained in the online documentation. It's exactly the same, under another form.


Thanks for the clarification PG.

But as before the the v7 debacle...some of us simply will not bother with the online version at all...even if the documentation is identical. Its a "thing" that cannot be explained I guess :)

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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby PG » Wed May 08, 2013 9:51 pm

I agree an additional link in the help menu, towards the pdf, would be welcome.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby Arjan P » Wed May 08, 2013 10:14 pm

Vocalpoint wrote:But as before the the v7 debacle...some of us simply will not bother with the online version at all...even if the documentation is identical. Its a "thing" that cannot be explained I guess

To the credit of Wavelab 8, I must say the online help is really good this time - as far as I've tried. I forced myself to use it earlier today (tried to find the CD-RW erase function) and it came up with what I was looking for very quickly. In other places I tried as well, and the information is good this time - nothing like WL7 help. My earlier remark about the pdf not being there is more related to being used to that from Cubase.
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Re: 823 Page User Mnnual - Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!

Postby MrSoundman » Wed May 08, 2013 10:20 pm

Arjan P wrote:the online help is really good this time
+1, I've even discovered things that were already in WL7 that I just never knew about!
I still think Steinberg should publish the manual to e.g. Lulu.com so that one-off prints could be purchased by those that really want hardcopy.
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