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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby Strophoid » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:50 am

I can second the Tischmeier material. I have his video which is really informative. Most of my mixing basics come from that video actually. I think it's paid though, so you won't find it on youtube.
And, as ThePresent mentioned, he is actually german and the english videos are dubbed by a guy who speaks VERY slowly :p.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:24 am

Thank you, i had a look on You Tube but i need to work out which ones are the most useful to me. Lots are in German, and others are about Mastering and also promoting his college course. But as i say, there are many videos posted.

There is a book/dvd on ebay which i think is the one you are referring to :-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0294311929

So you think this is suitable for a NOVICE like myself ?? :shock:
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby ThePresent » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:57 am

Yes, that is the one I was referring to. There is also a series of dvd's which is more expensive. This book comes with one dvd with practice material and demo plugins which are IRL expensive indeed. I practice what he teaches on the standard Cubase plugins which do a fine job.

Standard material for NOVICES I think.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:02 pm

ThePresent wrote:Standard material for NOVICES I think.


:D :D :D
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:04 pm

filterfreak wrote:another good read is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mixing-Secret ... 460b80032b


Thats great man. People seem to be recommending the same small handful of educational materials which is very reassuring.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:06 pm

ThePresent wrote:Yes, that is the one I was referring to. There is also a series of dvd's which is more expensive.


Yes, there is a small boxset version. But thats overkill for what i need at the moment.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:02 pm

ThePresent wrote:Yes, that is the one I was referring to. There is also a series of dvd's which is more expensive.


Yes, there is a small boxset version. But thats overkill for what i need at the moment.

He discusses his book on You Yube via skype :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvjHj-Jz4O4
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:53 pm

and here is the resources for the book ;)

http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-chInset.htm
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby alexis » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:55 pm

filterfreak wrote:and here is the resources for the book ;)

http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-chInset.htm

+00 (google) for that reference. A bargain at 10x the selling price, the encyclopedic info available therein is IMO far and away the best value available anywhere (except perhaps being an assistant for Dave Pensado or something, and even then I'd have it on my bedstand anyway!).
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:22 pm

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Hi again,

Rather than start a new thread i thought i would tag my question onto this post.

Here is a somewhat hyperthetical scenario but i just want to make my question as clear as i can :-

If i have written a song for 10 x trumpets then i would create 10 x tracks in Cubase for which to record these onto. i then record all 10 x trumpets individually (each on a seperate track) as you would normally do. No problem.

Then on trumpet #1, lets say i add 10 x Inserts and 10 x Sends to produce the sound i want to acheive. And i get these total 20 x FX set to exactly how i want them to be sounding. No problem.

Now, i would like to use these exact SAME 20 x FX of the remaining 9 x trumpets. Obviously its going to take about an hour (at least !!) to maually apply these configurations to each of the remaining 9 x trumpets.

i know that you can SAVE AS TEMPLATE but this is not what i need (but the closest thing in the manual i can find).

QUESTION :-

i know that in Logic there is a facility called SAVE CHANNEL STRIP whereas you can save both SEND and INSERT FX Chains and then open/apply them to other tracks. What does anyone think the best way forward is here please ?? What i was thinking of (but i am not sure if it is possible or such a thing exists !!) is if you could have like SEND FX STRIP with 10 x FX in, and a INSERT FX STRIP with x 10 FX in, and then route each of the 10 x trumpet tracks to both of these Busses. This would solve the issue but as i say i may be dreaming here !! :shock:

Thanks a lot,

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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby Arjan P » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:50 pm

I don't use it myself, but I think you're looking for Track Presets.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:06 pm

Arjan P wrote:I don't use it myself, but I think you're looking for Track Presets.

Ta, do you mean SAVE Track Preset and LOAD Track Preset ?

Or would you suggest some way of routing all 10 x trumpets to a SEND BUS and INSERT BUS without using Presets ??
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:04 pm

If i have 10 x Inserts on 1 x Track and then SAVE AS TRACK PRESET (which i think is what you mean ?). Then create another 9 x Instrument Tracks and assign the Track Presets to each of these (so 10 x tracks each with IDENTICAL 10 x Inserts), then will each VST FX be opened 10 TIMES (eg. there will be 10 x Compressors open, 10 x Reverb open etc, even though the settings are all exactly the same ??). Or will each VST FX only be open once because it has been saved within a TRACK PRESET ??

i know that if i had SEND FX with different settings then eack FX would obviously need to be applied in a different 'instance' (same as you would have to with hardware FX modules). But with TRACK PRESET's on Sends/Inserts (or in the case of Logic 'Channel Strips'), does it just open each VST FX once only ????

Hope thats clearly explained :shock:
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:29 pm

if you run 10 x instances of the same track then it is LOGIC that 10 instances will open , your from logic ? what does logic do that our Cubase doesn't because to be honest if you have the equipment you have and your the age you say you are then if you don't understand the Cubase way ........go LOGIC !!!!11
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:37 pm

filterfreak wrote:if you have the equipment you have and your the age you say you are then if you don't understand the Cubase way ........go LOGIC !!!!11

What sort of reply or help is that supposed to be !! ??

And why would i be lying about my gear and age !! ??
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby Arjan P » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:14 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:If i have 10 x Inserts on 1 x Track and then SAVE AS TRACK PRESET (which i think is what you mean ?). Then create another 9 x Instrument Tracks and assign the Track Presets to each of these (so 10 x tracks each with IDENTICAL 10 x Inserts), then will each VST FX be opened 10 TIMES (eg. there will be 10 x Compressors open, 10 x Reverb open etc, even though the settings are all exactly the same ??). Or will each VST FX only be open once because it has been saved within a TRACK PRESET ??

Again, I don't use Track Presets, but that's how it should work IMO. That's the premise you started with, right? You wanted 10 trumpet tracks, each with 10 inserts. It can't be a shared FX insert cause that concept cannot work.

If however you do want the same FX inserted on all 10 tracks, you can send them all to the same Group Track and insert the 10 FX there. This is not the same as the above though, cause each effect will be now triggered by any of the 10 trumpets - which can make a huge difference in sound, if for instance it is a compressor.
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Re: Send vs. Insert

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Again, I don't use Track Presets, but that's how it should work IMO.

Ok, ta.

That's the premise you started with, right? You wanted 10 trumpet tracks, each with 10 inserts.

Precisely.

It can't be a shared FX insert cause that concept cannot work.

Ok.

If however you do want the same FX inserted on all 10 tracks, you can send them all to the same Group Track and insert the 10 FX there.

Yes, all the exact same FX.

This is not the same as the above though, cause each effect will be now triggered by any of the 10 trumpets - which can make a huge difference in sound, if for instance it is a compressor.

Right, i see now (re : Compressor etc).

So would you say i am better using the first method i mentioned where i SAVE/LOAD TRACK PRESETS ??

Much appreciated.
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