Breeze wrote:I find it interesting that the name "Yamaha" hasn't come up in this thread. If only Yamaha wasn't the taskmaster here...
Count me in as having put N6 on the shelf till things change for the better. I'm glad that people have gotten over the novelty of the new mixer and are seeing it for what it has been tailored for.
It's pretty clear that what IS needed is a bifurcation in the code: Nuendo + NEK + NUEK (NUage Expander Kit). If you don't need NUEK you don't pay for it. And the rest of us get a mixer we can handle comfortably with a mouse, keyboard, and the usual cast of remote devices. Not that I liked the NEK idea at all, but if they're going to start splitting up feature sets, adaption to specific hardware would seem like an important addon that only people with the hardware should pay for. Unless, of course, there are ulterior plans for this strategy (Nuage Micro? Nuage LE? Nuage Cloudbank™?...)
I really am hoping for the best, but somehow I don't believe a software split in the codebase will come to pass. Historically, Yamaha has been a very stubborn independently-minded company. For now Steinberg still seems in charge of their software development (thank goodness) but it does seem that they are being pushed in a direction they themselves may feel somewhat apprehensive about.
This certainly would explain the silence we are hearing so clearly...
Big K wrote:SB this is no behaviour! Stand by to your work or admit mistakes. Don't be such Weicheier!
- "Yamaha Corporation, how may I direct your call?"
> I'd like to talk to someone in your Steinberg software division.
- [Pause] "I'm sorry, there's no one here called "Steinberg". Is there someone else you'd like to talk to?"
> No, I'm not looking for someone called "Steinberg", I'm looking for the division of the Yamaha Corporation that is administered under the name "Steinberg", the people who make Cubase and Nu....
- "Just a moment please..."
[...retro cool jazz plays...voice over:] "Our latest cutting edge music software development package, Cubase 7, offers you the latest in forward thinking workflow and project organization for your most demanding audio projects. And every busy post-production professional must experience our new Nuendo 6 and accompanying Nuage control and automation system designed for quick and efficient work on the largest post-production proj...
- "Yamaha Corporation, how may I direct your call?"
ltf3 wrote:If Nuendo 6 has been built to accommodate the Nuage ... Then...
Fredo wrote:Nuage uses it's own specific mixer views.
So although the Mixer redesign was somewhat needed for Nuage, the Nuendo Mixer layout has no relation to it.
On a studio session, we start miking the band, setting the monitoring, then making gains for recording and at the say time do what a monitor engineer do on stage. Making a mix that the musician feels good and comfortable.
A musician won't be able to make is best performance if is isn't comfortable. The control room was a very well thinking idea, but sometimes we need to mix more than 4 musicians on a studio, you know?... This is a professional DAW, remember? Not a "4 member garageband" DAW...
Fredo wrote:Lydiot wrote:Nuage probably doesn't communicate with Nuendo using key commands.
That is correct. The integration is much beeper than through KC's.
The old fashioned KC's can be used together with the Nuage functionalities, so both are still there.So why would any component of the Nuendo GUI require reprogramming to make Nuage work?
Because there are a lot of extra functions and/or some things might have had the need for a redesign to make them work for both (Nuage & standalone).
Fredo wrote:And the GUI and clicking is what people dislike, not necessarily primarily the functionality of the mixer.
There are a couple of things most of you seem to forget. The old mixer was becoming a PITA on some screen resolutions, so the resizing is not a fancy iPad-like gimmick. Since screen resolutions are very different from one system to another, and since there are more and more things that need to be displayed in the mixer (and we haven't seen the end of this), they needed to find a way to squeeze all that information within a concept that worked for each specific configuration. And that is not an easy task.
Fredo wrote:To be clear, I don't think anyone doubts that there is room for imporvements, but saying that the basic concept is a big mistake is simply not correct.
Fredo wrote:Everyone concentrates on the bits and parts he/she uses the most, and when you isolate these, then indeed the "old" way worked better. But when you keep on piling up stuff, there comes a moment when you *need* to rearrange in order to keep the overview.
Fredo wrote:Anyone who wants to continue the general mixer GUI discussion, please continue in another thread.
Do not answer or discuss this any further here, unless it is related to Nuage.
Fredo wrote:I'm not going into politics, neither will I try answering the specific questions for what reason this- or that has been done/changed/redesigned. Simply because I don't know all the answers myself and because one can't give a yes/no answer to most of the questions. I don't believe for a second that the developers "just did something" without thinking about the consequences. It simply *is not* as simple as an "outsider" thinks it is. And I think that is also the reason why you don't see any participation from the Steinberg people.
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