ju wrote:Well. I think Fredo explained it very well...
What you ask is what's implemented in protools. Nuendo is different.
Domilik wrote:What I ask for is inserting a (mono-)plugin into one insert-slot of a multichannel track and have it working on all channels.
The only way I can see this working (if you say that PT does that), is that PT infact inserts x-number of extra plugins as "Ghost plugins". So you think you insterted one for all channels, but in fact there are multiple who are controlled by the GUI of the one that is visible. And that is the exact discription of a VST3 plugin.
But really, I do not see the point, not at all.
I actually find the VST3 plugins (which are doing the exact thing you are asking for) not very usefull.
I rarely find myself into a situation where I want all my channels being processed in the same way.
As an example, let's take the most common channel format, 5.1.
I'm not going into differences between front, back and center, but the LFE channel alone should explain this very well. There is no thinkable situation, configuration or user case where we would want to process the LFE the same way any of the other channels is processed. I am very happy that I can insert a mono plugin into my LFE channel for applying Low Pass filtering, limiting, generating sub harmonics and everything else that comes with the use of an LFE channel.
Fredo wrote:Apparently, this is no feature of ProTools, this actually is within the AAX specs.
In the AAX specs of UAD, I read following: "Multi-mono support, so you can use UAD plug-ins on surround and stereo tracks with full linking and unlinking capability."
That is exactly the same behaviour as to be found in a VST3 plugin.
And ... Nuendo add the extra functionality of the Routing editor, where you can chose how many, and which, channels to be used.
The question that should be asked is why Third Party Manufacturer xxx doesn't provide true VST3 support.
Fredo wrote:I See.
Then Protools actually has a different and somewhet better solution for the lack of true Surround Multichannel plugins on the market.
Nuendo gives you a "solution" to use regular plugins in a surround environment, while ProTools emulates multichannel plugins from a single channel plugin. Actually it looks like they are splitting up/multiplying their insert buss, rather than duplicating the plugin instances.
Yup, cool solution.
Domilik wrote:Nobody else facing this problem?
Anybody who uses inserts in a multichannel-master which are not native 5.1-plugins? Anybody using (like in my example) the WNS for location sound?
neilwilkes wrote:It's a dreadful problem.
The basic issue for me is that Multi-Mono is hopeless, as I cannot think of any circumstances where I want the same settings applied across all 6 channels. The only workaround is to use several instances and route in the routing editor.
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