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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sat May 11, 2013 3:05 am

knuckle47 wrote:Do you read the instructions first ? :lol:


That usually depends upon the product. This one, most certainly.

In fact, I'm already reading it. Looks like much of the software included must be downloaded. I'm chuffed.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sat May 11, 2013 5:06 pm

Okay.

The Fishman Triple Play is here. I've installed the controller and pickup on the beater strat. It would not have fit my Ibanez RG. It took less than a half hour to get it installed physically on the guitar, and to adjust the pickup height.

I'm off now to register this bad boy and download all of the software for it, since *none* of the software is included in the box. There is, however, a very nice 9 foot USB to micro-B cable included.

Update: 11 GB of file downloads lie ahead!

Okay, first, you open the box (or browse the colorful packaging like a child in a confectioner's shop).

Second, you remove the plastic tray(s) that hold(s) everything. There are a few pieces of lit (warranty [1 year P&L] pamphlet, "In A Hurry" card, an exceptionally sparse installation card, and an intro guide), a bag of hardware mounting plates, power supply, 9 foot USB to micro-B cable, string spacing gauge & tiny screwdriver, and some pickup spacer mounts. The Triple Play controller and pickup, along with the receiver, are sandwiched between two thin plastic molded pieces.

There is also a product registration card, but it's like a credit card. You have to scratch off (and sniff?) the code you'll need to register at the Fishman website to get all of this nifty software. One might presume that this also constitutes a complete product registration for warranty purposes, as well.

You can install the magnet ring, which fastens the controller unit to the guitar body, on either one of the included metal supports (these easily attach under the end pin of your guitar without even removed the pin), or directly to the guitar finish. I'm guessing you will choose the end pin install option, as I did. Once the magnet ring is installed, the controller and pickup combo can be very easily removed from the axe. The pickup slides off, and the controller just sort of pops off - the magnets are just the right strength to avoid snagging.

The software suite is impressive: Presonus Studio Artists ver 2 (3.2 GB Win - 3.6 GB Mac), Notion Progression (1.5 GB), Komplete Elements (4.5 GB) and SampleTank XT (1.5 GB Win - 1.4 GB Mac), plus the Triple Play software (30 MB Win - 70 GB Mac) itself.

Update #2: These downloads are ISO files, so you will also need software to either read these, or you will need to burn them to DVD.

Update #3: Since I never use this guitar for anything else, I've decided to adjust the saddle height for optimum pickup spacing for the MIDI pickup. Burning DVDs now also.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sat May 11, 2013 10:30 pm

Drac, You should write this review for a magazine. Excellent reading. Nice to hear your thoughts when you have had an hour or two under your belt...My fedex guy came to the house today also, but his delivery was flowers for my wife from my son...no triple play yet.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sun May 12, 2013 12:39 am

Steve Fogal wrote:Damn, 11 GB's? Can one order it on a DVD instead?


No. Stop using budget internet.

Steve Fogal wrote:Is the Fishman and/or this software compatable with Win XP 32 bit?


No. Stop living in the past.

Steve Fogal wrote:BTW, with using Roland or Fishman type midi pickups & converters, does the tuning of the guitar matter, or will an out of tune guitar 'funk up' the midi?


Yes, the tuning matters. Yes, it will screw up the MIDI, but it won't be funked. Far from funked will it be. Stop trying to cheat the gods.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sun May 12, 2013 1:59 am

I've decided to return this unit. It is no better than the Roland units, with which I have had some experience.

All of these pickup-based units have the same problems. They simply are not worth the time & effort IMO.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sun May 12, 2013 4:21 am

Whoa...I'm surprised. when you say no different than the Roland units, would you mind a brief explanation? I've never tried what I think you are referring to as a pickup based unit . Is it tracking, setup, sound? My only experiences in this format has been with the GR33 but not using their pickup. I am very happy with the way the guitars played via the direct connection thru the 13 pin setup. My only simple setup was the string sensitivity and that took only a few minutes.

I was expecting your report on how good it was...
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sun May 12, 2013 9:16 am

Oh, it's probably as good as the Roland with a GK3, which is to say, not very good.

The triggering is slow, just like Roland. The problem is time. It takes a certain amount of time to register notes, in any system. There is no way around this unless you go to a pure sensor based system that detects fingerboard pressure and location, and picking dynamics. I'm guessing that the only unit that ever did this right was the SynthAxe.

So, with this deficiency in mind, using a guitar as a controller for me is not useful. My keyboard skills are adequate enough that I can achieve whatever I want using that input method. Bearing that in mind, it's not worth $400 to me to keep this thing. While I think that Fishman has done an admirable job of matching Roland's performance (without a dedicated hardware synth), that performance still leaves much to be desired. Just as I "disposed of" my GR-33 for not being especially useful, so I must "dispose" of this one.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sun May 12, 2013 7:23 pm

SO...I shoulda taken Piano Lessons ?

My first band was when I was 13. It was my next door neighbor who played accordion and myself on guitar. His father worked with a man whose son played drums. THAT was it. Since the accordion players father was a TV repair tech, he wired a microphone into the accordion from Lafayette Electronics. Back in the EARLY 60's this catalog would make you drool from electronics stuff. I don't think transistors were available yet to the general public.

We played together for a few years. Our drummer was sadly hit by a car and killed at 15. Could you have imagined if I played PIANO....since we already had a keyboard guy, I would have been left out in the cold.

My guess is now that we have put a man on the moon, MIDI guitar should be coming up real soon.

Looks like you make the best choice Steve. You can get the MIDI in that you need without paying a fortune for the same mediocre tools. I am going to have to practice more keyboards in order to "compete" for greater musical flexibility.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sun May 12, 2013 9:21 pm

You know what they say about parallel lives. Our first song in 1966 was " I want to hold your hand " . If I'm not mistaken we both played the melody but the accordion could play a baseline with those little black buttons. We practiced in my garage for hours and hours. My guitar 1st guitar was a Harmony...F holes archtop type with a grey and dark tiger stripe.
A so-called friend borrowed it 20yrs later and never returned it.

About the keyboard, I to grew up with a piano in the house although it was old and mostly out of tune, everyone played it. In high school, in Miami, there was a piano music class that I had taken to just slide through. Needless to say I learned to play piano even better but that was 44 years ago. I now have a Casio Privia 400 something. It has 88 weighted keys like a regular piano, midi, onboard sounds, and even a small sequencer built-in. I've had that for about seven years now. But it is because as a guitar player, I feel so much more comfortable that I look forward to a midi guitar as really being an instrument that I can manipulate not one that intimidates me regarding playing it. I mentioned in a previous post that I have a handful of tunes that absolutely sound great but once I stop playing the last one it all turns to crap. I really think it's muscle memory that keeps everything on track with those 4 or 5 songs.

We were over at my mother's house this morning so the rest of the day is almost done. Enjoy !
I was re-reading the topic of this thread...Sure lots of "OTHER SOLUTIONS" :lol:
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Mon May 13, 2013 4:57 am

knuckle47 wrote:SO...I shoulda taken Piano Lessons ?


I've never taken a lesson in my life.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Wed May 15, 2013 6:25 pm

Steve Fogal wrote:I'll read a book, a manual, watch a video...regurgitate, and share with people.


Keep your vomit to yourself. :lol:
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Thu May 16, 2013 12:11 am

Emulate,
Regurgitate,
Don't leave nothin' on my plate!
Listen, learn, feel the burn,
You'll soon be sorry, so soon your turn...
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Thu May 16, 2013 1:13 am

Streamworks Audio released a Cubase instructional video but you had to view iT on the computer ... I can sit in front of the tv and REALLY enjoy video instruction and it is probably my most favorite form of it. Reading it for one reason or another yields less for me... Comprehension ?.

Those Catholic school nuns always told us that once written is twice studied... They made us write a lot. Like 500 times, "I will not. .........."
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Thu May 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Steve Fogal wrote:Works pretty much the same as USB into the DAW, but without all of the finicky weirdness that the USB is giving me.


Your love affair with antiquated technology will often point fingers in the direction of one of your poor choices.

I find it amusing then your take upon mythical beings and dogma. Like it, or not, your dogma is evident.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:47 pm

Steve Fogal wrote: but tell THAT to a big bearded Harley rider! While you're getting your teeth knocked out, tell him to cut his pony-tail & stop wearing tie-dye T-shirts :lol:


You talkin' to me ? Did you notice that photo on my account ? IT IS an old Harley , 1947. I did give up the tie-dye :lol:

Steve, I believe in the same functional format as you. Our computers at work are about 5 years old and do exactly what we need them to do...we track billing, payments, services, memos, letters you name it. There is no reason to change as every need is fulfilled. I agree that a newer CPU and more ram is going to be quicker but...there is absolutely NO need.

In fact, as you stated, there is no conflict in your hardware and compatibilities elsewhere and they are plentiful in so many stories we read.
MOST important is that you are gaining the knowledge and experience it takes to get it done. THAT cant be outdated no mater what.

I have my guitar and a keyboard with USB inputs and never tried using them directly...I need to do that now and see the net result
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Thu May 16, 2013 6:49 pm

Steve: Everything that it takes you three machines to achieve, I achieve with one.

But hey, to each his own.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Fri May 17, 2013 2:39 am

knuckle47 wrote:IT IS an old Harley , 1947. I did give up the tie-dye :lol:


A knucklehead, eh? 8-)

knuckle47 wrote:I agree that a newer CPU and more ram is going to be quicker but...there is absolutely NO need.


My CPU is about 3 years old, maybe 4. My most recent computer purchase, other than music software, was a 120 GB Samsung 840 SSD for recording. You can progress without staying in dinosaur valley, and it doesn't have to be expensive, either ($89.99 for the Samsung SSD).
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Fri May 17, 2013 2:42 am

Steve Fogal wrote:The way I look at it is, if one wants to ride an old Harley bike, over say a new BMW, sure the BMW is going to ride more smooth, go faster and get better gas mileage...


Clearly you are not an expert on two-wheeled motorized transportation.

Steve Fogal wrote:but tell THAT to a big bearded Harley rider! While you're getting your teeth knocked out, tell him to cut his pony-tail & stop wearing tie-dye T-shirts :lol:


Actually, the burliest (ugliest and smelliest, too!) biker I ever knew was a BMW rider... :lol:
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sat May 18, 2013 4:35 am

NJ is no place be riding these days either. If I leave enough reaction time to the rear of any vehicle in front of me, some sob with zip right in front and take the space. Guess what ? At the next red light, he got there first, wow. A holes all over. Non thinkers and when they get in a bind, they believe its the other driver, so if your ridin' you have got to be more intimidating so they stay away from you.

Steve, which motherboard you're using? The last old computer I had I bought a used touch screen monitor and made an in the wall juke box. The software runs dual monitors so the display also triggers a 42" wall TV on the other end of the wall. I think the entire thing cost me under 200.00, the monitor was 45. As a jukebox, there ain't no such thing as a fast computer. It runs like any other coin op machine....only free!

I've been spending a bit of time reading the manual on Cubase 7 and it is eating up the time I could spend putting in a few tracks but I think if I can remember the stuff I'm reading, my next sessions will be more complete
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sat May 18, 2013 3:52 pm

I've been continuing to play with the Fishman. I might end up keeping it. You definitely approach your playing in a different way, plus there are things you'd play on a guit-box that you'd *never* play on a keyboard.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sat May 18, 2013 7:36 pm

Either dumb luck or I'd had no pre-conceived notions about the GR33 and its input capability. I knew there was a need to re-define my style of playing especially when trying to emulate the sound of several other kinds of instruments. The nuances of their sound commands it. I was pretty pleased with it from the start and that was over 5 years ago. My midi skills were not as developed but it was darn good to play and play back thru the mt-32 module. I also have the Casio PG-380 guitar. The caps go bad and need to be replaced but they easily demonstrated their weaknesses as solo instruments. The Godin and Brian Moore guitars were all the first directly plugged in devices I had used with the GR.

Steve, if you were closer, like Nebraska, I'd have you stop by and try it :D
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Sun May 19, 2013 3:10 pm

I know it would be a great time to get together and hack out a few tracks as the learning curve for me could skyrocket. In fact while too old to hang out at a music shop, I do stop in occasionally but rarely meet some people with the diverse approach to playing as you might read about here. In fact the last few months I pass by and see 12 year olds with their brass instruments or drum sticks. In can only imagine the repercussion of asking a parent to play with their kids in today's world....I have a friend who is a motorcycle cop and when he gets home from work, the little kids flock around him and want to go over to his apartment....No way! Outside he'll hang out but that's all.

So since we are all over the place globally, I'm stuck in the basement , solo
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Sun May 19, 2013 6:20 pm

knuckle47 wrote:So since we are all over the place globally, I'm stuck in the basement , solo


I live in NJ...but I don't have a basement.
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby knuckle47 » Tue May 21, 2013 1:28 am

Steve, been planning an expansion of this house since the kids were 5. They are now 30.

So after you installed the software, did it make some changes in the operation to you? There are drivers and controls for many of the pieces in my system and I don't believe that some really do anythng now that USB is more defined.

I was watching a new GR55 YouTube thing with Alex Hutchings and it did mention a few points about setup and playing style which we had mentioned a few days ago. I think I would like to try the Triple Play
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Re: Guitar To MIDI Software...and 'other' solutions

Postby Guest » Tue May 21, 2013 1:59 am

knuckle47 wrote:I think I would like to try the Triple Play


Like I said earlier, I am in NJ... 8-)
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