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1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby G-string » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:00 am

How dare they , ive just ordered a brand new EMS synthi vcs3 and to find out that "I" crap have just made an app for this piece of history synthesis is damn right shameful .
I have just got of the phone to EMS and this apps IS NOT in any way ,shape or form licensed via EMS so BEWARE .

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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby Mr M » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:26 am

Are you saying you ordered a real hardware synth? Not sure if you've ever tried any of the Ipad synths,but I don't think anyone seriously acquires hese thinking they'll get a version equal to hardware. I love my Ipad for some things but the synths I've tried are just cute apps that exists in the usual Apple world : far removed from basic access
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby knuckle47 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:26 am

I have to agree, Mr.M. the synth apps cant compare to a keyboard synth. I use the keys in Cubasis as a lazy way of having access when I am sitting on the sofa with the TV on and half of a headset. While there is some fun stuff coming across, as a limited keyboard user, I get much more from the actual hardware
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby curteye » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:17 am

Aloha guys,

Interesting topic.

Do other non 'i' pads/tablets/surfaces/etc
sound any better in this area?

Are any of them (and their apps) 'pro ready'
either in the studio or live?

IMHO
It's hard to beat hardware.
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby G-string » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:36 am

Mr M wrote:Are you saying you ordered a real hardware synth? Not sure if you've ever tried any of the Ipad synths,but I don't think anyone seriously acquires hese thinking they'll get a version equal to hardware. I love my Ipad for some things but the synths I've tried are just cute apps that exists in the usual Apple world : far removed from basic access


Im saying ive ordered the hardware version and i find if outrageous that a developer has made an app and apple are allowing an non endorsed apps to be sold from their apps store with no permission from EMS and no royality payments . EMS are very tight on their emulated stuff , only AS (analog Solutions ) have been granted a licence for the EMS filters.
Apple need policing ,who the hell do they think they are allowing such thing , i would love to see all the companies that this happens too get together and sue the life out of them .
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby BriHar » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:55 am

Interesting that despite having more comments than some other posts on that link you gave, your posting there say's "Hidden due to low comment rating."
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby G-string » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:11 am

BriHar wrote:Interesting that despite having more comments than some other posts on that link you gave, your posting there say's "Hidden due to low comment rating."
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Oh well , im not trying to be a troll im trying to do what's right and what's right is APPLE should not be allowed to sell these apps unless they have proof that they are endorsed buy the original manufacture that they are trying to emulate.
You all say it's just a toy but what happens when these tablets get more powerful and used more in studio's to actually produce a commercial track with an unendorsed apps that cost a fiver ???
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby beatpete » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:29 pm

G-string wrote:You all say it's just a toy but what happens when these tablets get more powerful and used more in studio's to actually produce a commercial track with an unendorsed apps that cost a fiver ???


They already are...
I'm not sure what you have against Ipads, but there are some amazing apps (legitimate) written for it. I'm sure there will be some huge commercial hits produced from an Ipad alone. There are lots of "endorsed" synths, plugins and DAWs that sound amazing...
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby G-string » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:32 pm

beatpete wrote:
G-string wrote:You all say it's just a toy but what happens when these tablets get more powerful and used more in studio's to actually produce a commercial track with an unendorsed apps that cost a fiver ???


They already are...
I'm not sure what you have against Ipads, but there are some amazing apps (legitimate) written for it. I'm sure there will be some huge commercial hits produced from an Ipad alone. There are lots of "endorsed" synths, plugins and DAWs that sound amazing...


Im aware of that so why would apple allow an un-endorsed app in their store , im sure you wouldn't like some major corporation making royalties off of your original invention without your say so and you receive nothing would you ?
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby Mr M » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:36 pm

G-string wrote:
beatpete wrote:
G-string wrote:You all say it's just a toy but what happens when these tablets get more powerful and used more in studio's to actually produce a commercial track with an unendorsed apps that cost a fiver ???


They already are...
I'm not sure what you have against Ipads, but there are some amazing apps (legitimate) written for it. I'm sure there will be some huge commercial hits produced from an Ipad alone. There are lots of "endorsed" synths, plugins and DAWs that sound amazing...


Im aware of that so why would apple allow an un-endorsed app in their store , im sure you wouldn't like some major corporation making royalties off of your original invention without your say so and you receive nothing would you ?


Well I agree with you 100 per cent. I wonder what the story is on this. There isn't enough money in this app for Apple to risk being sued. I really thought each and every emulation that used the products name was licensed.
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby G-string » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:48 pm

Im sure they should be when using the apps store but not being an ipad fan I wouldn't know .
For this fella making the vcs3 apps this could go either way now EMS have been informed , they might get in contact with the developer and put it in for testing and endorse it which I hope happens but it just goes to show how simple it is for someone to use your brand and sell an apps without you even realising something like that existed ,this is where apple need to clamp down and check .
In all honestly this does look like a really good app BUT ..........
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby knuckle47 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:41 pm

Just wondering...is it possible that those "legal" details had been already signed off on? Seems that in this world of " I'll sue ya" at the drop of a hat, you think twice without having it approved.
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby curteye » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:27 am

beatpete wrote:There are lots of "endorsed" synths, plugins and DAWs that sound amazing...


Thanks for that info b,

Guess its now time to look into this tech.

My daughter has an Apple and a Samsung but uses
them only for business

Guess I'll ask her to d/ld a couple of apps
so I can check them out.

Any suggestions? On either device.

Also,
I use an older Blackberry phone. (with buttons)
Any good music/sound apps for that?
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby curteye » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:32 am

knuckle47 wrote:Just wondering...is it possible that those "legal" details had been already signed off on? Seems that in this world of " I'll sue ya" at the drop of a hat, you think twice without having it approved.


From what I understand in cases like this Apple
does not actually sell anything at all.

They just act as an 'agent'. (God I hate that word)

Vendors sell stuff in the App Store or the Mac App Store or at iTunes
and Apple just takes a percentage of the sale. (30%)
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby knuckle47 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:10 am

Hi Curteye,

I only question that because ... As an iPad Cubasis user, Chrode has frequently stated that Apple has the new "update "But they need to approve it prior to its release and subsequent availability in the App Store. That has typically taken around 1 week?
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby curteye » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:30 am

knuckle47 wrote:Hi Curteye,

I only question that because ... As an iPad Cubasis user, Chrode has frequently stated that Apple has the new "update "But they need to approve it prior to its release and subsequent availability in the App Store. That has typically taken around 1 week?


This info also seems to jive with what I have been hearing
on a bunch o' developer podcasts.

Looks like selling your app is one experience while updating it/offering 'in-app' purchases
etc brings a whole different set of challenges.
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby HowlingUlf » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:01 am

curteye wrote:
knuckle47 wrote:... and Apple just takes a percentage of the sale. (30%)


:o :shock:

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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby Norbury Brook » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:58 pm

yep off the top too,

OF EVERY TRANSACTION THAT GOES THROUGH THE APP STORE.


Why do yo think they want everything to start going through the app store?


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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby beatpete » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Norbury Brook wrote:yep off the top too,

OF EVERY TRANSACTION THAT GOES THROUGH THE APP STORE.


Why do yo think they want everything to start going through the app store?


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Did I mention, although I love my need and use my Iphone and Ipad, I HATE APPLE!
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby BriHar » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:42 pm

I have an older Nokia mobile phone. I need to recharge it about once a week.
My wife has now got herself an iPhone. She needs to recharge it every day.
She's constanly cursing that it doesn't do what she expects it to or makes her do things in an awkward way.
I tell her it's perfectly natural - one of the side effects of assimilation - resistance is futile.
She tells me to shut up.
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby Mr M » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:05 pm

Norbury Brook wrote:yep off the top too,

OF EVERY TRANSACTION THAT GOES THROUGH THE APP STORE.


Why do yo think they want everything to start going through the app store?


MC


That's why Apple is the richest company in the world. Here in the Bay Area they're so highly revered while traditional multinational corps are scorned. Apple does nothing for anyone , still overcharge musicians to sell on ITunes and never puts anything on sale . They truly are the greediest company but get a total pass
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby surfer » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:06 pm

beatpete wrote:
Did I mention, although I love my need and use my Iphone and Ipad, I HATE APPLE!

+1 love the iPad Hate Apple
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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby knuckle47 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:18 am

I've gotta agree with that too... I really like my iPad ...really. It does almost 90% of the junk I might use the laptop for. But for a detailed reason that currently eludes me.

.. I'm no Apple company fan either.

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Re: 1 reason to put the ipad where the sun doesn't shine

Postby curteye » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:41 am

knuckle47 wrote:BTW: to hell with Dell...while I'm at it


I heard ya!

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