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[music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:34 am

Hi everyone, good to be back and hope this new system works.

This is a song inspired by an instrumental by ethansight called Far Hope, the chord structure he used gives it a sort of "little help from my friends feel" sometimes but the feel of the piece he did promted this from me..it's a bit quirky I think but just had to do it, my thanks to ethansight for insiring this song.

If you have a listen..thank you......Kevin

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Bane » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Nice song, and mix sounds fine on my monitors. I guess those sweet new monitors have something to do with that.

You are right, I wasn't really sure what to make of this musically as it was a bit on the quirky side. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, it's better to experiment with new arrangement styles instead of snapping to your same tendencies.

The lyrics were what really disappointed me. They seemed like an afterthought, particularly the "chorus".

Thanks for sharing Kevin,
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby firestamper » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:01 pm

shadowfax wrote:Hi everyone, good to be back and hope this new system works.

This is a song inspired by an instrumental by ethansight called Far Hope, the chord structure he used gives it a sort of "little help from my friends feel" sometimes but the feel of the piece he did promted this from me..it's a bit quirky I think but just had to do it, my thanks to ethansight for insiring this song.

If you have a listen..thank you......Kevin

https://soundcloud.com/knmac/distant-hope
hi kevin ,yeh it`s weird mixing the forums together ,kinda feels like your living on a council estate with lots of stray dogs hanging around , lol.
yes i like the song ,i don`t want to pee on your bonfire cause i know you shed out some decent money for the speakers, but i`m still out on the mix i liked the mix you did with the last set of temporary speakers you had, were they jbl`s or something ,anyway you`ll get used to them .
love the bass playing ,is that you?
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby desert » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:23 pm

Hi,
Thanx for sharing it, do i understand it right that you made the lyrics and vocal on the existing arrangement?
I like your voice, the melodyne? effect is not disturbing , it still has a nice emotional touch to it.
The arrangement could do with a little less, it be nice to use the tympani just a few times and build up the arrangement with the small orchestra or keys/guitar. The mix sounds not very transparant to me, the bass an drums are mixed back in the middle on my set, the vocals stand out quite nice. maybe the FX are a bit up to much?
Needs som tweaking and a twist in the arrangement a potentially good song.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Early21 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:30 pm

You do record your voice so well. Always like your singing. I guess you got new speakers, someone said? On my speakers the electric bass, when it comes in, is a bit prominent, although interesting. I didn't find it quirky at all. Another really nice one from you.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:51 am

Hi, bane..I enjoyed the challenge of creating something that comes from an angle I wouldn't think of, it produced a song I wouldn't normally do, lyrics are always tough..it's all been done before!!!

Hi firestamper, still getting used to the A77X's and got to admit I'm finding them a bit "big" for my studio even though my studio is 5mx4m and I am going to check out some mid sized Genelecs with a matched sub bass on Monday, might just end up with them..regarding the bass..I wish it was me but it's wav file patches from Band on Demand..

Hi desert, the song is based on the chord structure and feeling that ethansight's instrumental invoked in me, the arrangement is totally different, there are no effects on the vox, (rev and comp of course) just used a crappy old mike which distorts quite a lot..think it's actually brocken.I think your right about the Timpani, maybe did use it to much..it's interesting that you find the bass mixed back and early finds the bass mixed forward..go figure :? guess that's the result of different listening environments..

Hi early, thanks for listening, your comments are always important to me...

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby ethansight » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:22 pm

This is a very nice song - when I saw the title I already knew what it was going to be ;). I am not too keen on the complete stops at the beginning, But I suppose that is more of a personal problem. At 1:59 I am amazed at how the instruments are mixed - cubase already provides great samples but the way you put them together is just perfect. Then a bit later when everything kicks in I enjoyed the drums especially - and the bass as well. The bass did start to get a bit repetitive after awhile but it wasn't too much of a problem; soundcloud also seems to enhance the bass in most tracks so I am pretty sure it is fine. In general the musical side went great with the lyrics and melody. Overall a very nice track!
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:29 pm

ethansight wrote:This is a very nice song - when I saw the title I already knew what it was going to be ;). I am not too keen on the complete stops at the beginning, But I suppose that is more of a personal problem. At 1:59 I am amazed at how the instruments are mixed - cubase already provides great samples but the way you put them together is just perfect. Then a bit later when everything kicks in I enjoyed the drums especially - and the bass as well. The bass did start to get a bit repetitive after awhile but it wasn't too much of a problem; soundcloud also seems to enhance the bass in most tracks so I am pretty sure it is fine. In general the musical side went great with the lyrics and melody. Overall a very nice track!


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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby weszme » Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:47 am

Nice job Kevin. Musically, this is my favourite from you so far. I wouldn't say it's quirky but it's the kind of interesting arrangement that I enjoy.

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby rgmcubase » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:47 am

Great Shadowfax, like the bass playing, and all the different instruments used.

Thanks for sharing
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby twilightsong » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:56 am

It's a very nice song, well written. I too thought maybe the full-stop thing repeated too many times in the first section. Bass sounds awesome! Needs a better ending --

My big issue is that although the singing itself is superb, the vocal recording sounds really icky -- distortion in the signal, EQ sounds unnatural. Not sure what to advise... Are the recording levels too hot? And was it then sent into some plug-in, like compression, at too hot a level?
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:27 am

thank you for listening..weszme, wasn't sure about putting this up and am surprised that you like it more than the other stuff, just shows..you can never tell..

rgmcubase, welcome to the forum mate and thanks for listening and taking time to comment.

thanks for your comments twilightsong, the vox was recorded with an old mic that does distort abit (or maybe a lot) and just thought it added a bit of character..maybe a bit too much!!! there are no other vst's on it, just the usual comp and rev...

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby kzarider » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:18 pm

Hi Kevin, really love the song your voice and the mix. I personally felt that the bass sits correctly. One of your best works, I seem to say that everytime now as you work has taken huge leaps in quality.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:16 pm

kzarider wrote:Hi Kevin, really love the song your voice and the mix. I personally felt that the bass sits correctly. One of your best works, I seem to say that everytime now as you work has taken huge leaps in quality.
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Hi Kenny, thanks for listening, it's down you you and the other guy's who take the time to comment that my stuff is getting better, was really not sure about putting this up and am surprised that you and another has said it's one of my best..you never can tell...Kevin
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby NorthWood MediaWorks » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:05 am

Its always nice to find "quirky" in the constant spew of "normal" out there. I enjoyed, I agree with a few about the overall mix... however, I only listened on the laptop (no time for the studio today), so to be fair, its not a great listening environment. I pay little attention to lyrics, so no complaints like some here.

And, at 1:07, I did a little doubletake, because for a moment you sounded just like Justin Hayward. (google him) 8-)

Deserves a "well done" IMHO.

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:19 am

NorthWood MediaWorks wrote:Its always nice to find "quirky" in the constant spew of "normal" out there. I enjoyed, I agree with a few about the overall mix... however, I only listened on the laptop (no time for the studio today), so to be fair, its not a great listening environment. I pay little attention to lyrics, so no complaints like some here.

And, at 1:07, I did a little doubletake, because for a moment you sounded just like Justin Hayward. (google him) 8-)

Deserves a "well done" IMHO.

Cheers


Hi and thanks for listening and I really apreciate your comments..for me also lyrics are not the first thing I listen to in a song, I consider them the "work" part of music...it has to be done.
didn't need to google Justine Hayward..Nights in white satin is the best ballad on the planet..IMHO

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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Oedipus Driftpunch » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:13 am

shadowfax wrote:Hi everyone, good to be back and hope this new system works.

This is a song inspired by an instrumental by ethansight called Far Hope, the chord structure he used gives it a sort of "little help from my friends feel" sometimes but the feel of the piece he did promted this from me..it's a bit quirky I think but just had to do it, my thanks to ethansight for insiring this song.

If you have a listen..thank you......Kevin

https://soundcloud.com/knmac/distant-hope



A passionless depressing dirge that was painful to listen to. Even more handicapped by the dull production which injected absolutely no progressive dynamics into what should have been an emotional journey from start to finish.

Everyone else is being faux polite and faux tactful. I tell it like it is. It's awful.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:05 am

Oedipus Driftpunch wrote: This is a song inspired by an instrumental by ethansight called Far Hope, the chord structure he used gives it a sort of "little help from my friends feel" sometimes but the feel of the piece he did promted this from me..it's a bit quirky I think but just had to do it, my thanks to ethansight for insiring this song.

If you have a listen..thank you......Kevin

https://soundcloud.com/knmac/distant-hope




A passionless depressing dirge that was painful to listen to. Even more handicapped by the dull production which injected absolutely no progressive dynamics into what should have been an emotional journey from start to finish.

Everyone else is being faux polite and faux tactful. I tell it like it is. It's awful.



thank you ...interesting that you suddenly found this after my critisism of your attidude on another thread, your attidude hear confirms what you are...you are entitled to your opinion of course and I thank you for wasting your time and listening..if you ever post any music I will listen without predjudice or a beligerent attitude..to you this forum is a place to do battle..to me and many others it's a place to do music..i will not join you in your depressing and ugly game....ps..it pleases me greatly that my music caused you some pain and inspires me to write more music that you can look forward to...I hope you will be a frequent visitor, maybe you'll post some music.

you may not be aware of this but it is possible to negatively critisize somebodies music politely...just a thought..
because your slamming everybody that has commented on this thread..you certainly know how to make friends and influence people..

you are becoming rather boring on this thread and the other one so i will not bother to respond to any more of the venom dripping from your mouth, or in this case..keyboard....... cheerio..
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Oedipus Driftpunch » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:39 am

shadowfax wrote:
Oedipus Driftpunch wrote: This is a song inspired by an instrumental by ethansight called Far Hope, the chord structure he used gives it a sort of "little help from my friends feel" sometimes but the feel of the piece he did promted this from me..it's a bit quirky I think but just had to do it, my thanks to ethansight for insiring this song.

If you have a listen..thank you......Kevin

https://soundcloud.com/knmac/distant-hope




A passionless depressing dirge that was painful to listen to. Even more handicapped by the dull production which injected absolutely no progressive dynamics into what should have been an emotional journey from start to finish.

Everyone else is being faux polite and faux tactful. I tell it like it is. It's awful.



thank you ...interesting that you suddenly found this after my critisism of your attidude on another thread, your attidude hear confirms what you are...you are entitled to your opinion of course and I thank you for wasting your time and listening..if you ever post any music I will listen without predjudice or a beligerent attitude..to you this forum is a place to do battle..to me and many others it's a place to do music..i will not join you in your depressing and ugly game....ps..it pleases me greatly that my music caused you some pain and inspires me to write more music that you can look forward to...I hope you will be a frequent visitor, maybe you'll post some music.

you may not be aware of this but it is possible to negatively critisize somebodies music politely...just a thought..
because your slamming everybody that has commented on this thread..you certainly know how to make friends and influence people..

you are becoming rather boring on this thread and the other one so i will not bother to respond to any more of the venom dripping from your mouth, or in this case..keyboard....... cheerio..


If you really are passionate about improving your music by seeking the views of others then what's the point of offering our creations for public critique if you can't handle criticism?

Maybe you are just insecure and want people to clap their hands at whatever you produce? but a sincere search for criticism would take onboard criticism even if it isn't tactful.

I took time out to listen to your offering and offered my honest opinion. I can see that opinion has stabbed a raw nerve but I can only be honest. So instead of spewing out personal attacks maybe you should evaluate my comments in regards to your music and see if it makes any sense. If you still disagree then fine, but the bottom line is to improve music not get into some battle of insecurity.

Perhaps in future you should state in advance that only people who like you creations should respond to avoid? :)
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby ethansight » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:00 am

"Can't handle the criticism"??? I am sure Kevin has nothing against constructive criticism of his works. The one thing you offer is that it "needs more dynamic production" and then continue on to state your own negative thoughts that in no way help him to improve his music in the future (unless your goal is to discourage him from making music altogether... Which comes across a horribly selfish).
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby firestamper » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:10 pm

certain mixing guys can trash your band if you let them have too much influence within a working band on the road ,I don`t mean sound wise but they can poison a good working vibe because of their opinions of what sounds good and can influence weak minded members causing fall outs and then the inevitable . and the closely related studio versions can be the same ,they think they re in charge ,I must stress that not all are like this ,some are great and you would love them to be part of whatever you do ,just remember what came first, the chicken or the takeaway sandwich.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Jonathan5456 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:12 am

Very first thing I'll say is that the left side at the intro is very bare. The chords either aren't scored for string section properly or the panning/levels aren't correct so the balance between left, center and right isn't there. I think the intro goes on for too long, I'd have liked it either half the length or the introduction of a steady rhythmic instrument, even something subtle like egg shakers or something. The violin part at like 3:40, you should try to write some small, non-instrusive parts for the other string sub-sections throughout to give it some variation and harmonic interest and it's some practice for string writing. :P

2:00 - From an orchestration perspective; for balance I think it'd be better to have the 2nd violins playing the pizz parts either in unison, octaves, sixths or and the solo violin from the 1st violins meaning it'd be just left of center.

Mixing and stuff, idk really. Listening on earphones plugged into my soundcard since that's all I have functional right now lol. The levels seem to sound balanced, but the strings could really do with some better expression editing, you know like rises and falls in dynamics.

The bassline is definitely more interesting, although not quite there overall. Improving is what we're all aiming for so as long as you're learning new things then good going. :D

Some sort of stereo doubling on the timpani? It immediately sounds odd to me because I'm used to the timpanist(s) being in the same spot but I guess it doesn't sound bad, just odd for personally. I didn't like the triangle hits, they're too loud and unusual for the style with strings.

I can't even be bothered to respond to that driftpunch tool anymore, I just click report instead. Obvious troll is obvious.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:36 am

thanks for your critiques jonathan...need to aquire some patience to do what you do with the orchestral stuff..agreed it would make the song much better and listening again the intro is too long...if I ever catch up with the songs I want to get done I may revisit it, cheers, Kevin
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby Jonathan5456 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:52 am

shadowfax wrote:thanks for your critiques jonathan...need to aquire some patience to do what you do with the orchestral stuff..agreed it would make the song much better and listening again the intro is too long...if I ever catch up with the songs I want to get done I may revisit it, cheers, Kevin


Hah yeah, I have too many pieces I keep say that I'm gonna go back and improve. Just gotta shrug and let them go I guess. Although given that this one is current I'd say just experiment, improvise with the string parts one-by-one and you will learn things gradually.
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Re: [music] new song, distant hope

Postby shadowfax » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:56 am

maybe I need to stop using Omni for strings and use Miroslav because Miroslav puts all the instruments in the correct place...so next time...
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