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Postby artguy » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:04 am

The drive root is normally only shared for administrative purposes.
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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby Jarno » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:16 am

Steve Fogal wrote:any reason sharing this root drive is actually a bad thing to do?

No. Recommendation not to share 'root' is purely about security. But since you have tightly controlled private network, it is not an issue.
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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby artguy » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:00 pm

If you're using Windows 7, try setting up a Home Group.
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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby artguy » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:19 am

Steve Fogal wrote:I just saw that FX-MAX teleport is actually FREE now.


The legacy lives on!

Since I can take my dongle to any machine, I am now thinking of setting up at least one XP machine (due to NTFS, windows XP is relatively stable compared to past OS's) but may also set up another using teleport.

I actually would like to set up a server farm based on Windows 7, which is even more stable on modern hardware but that would require VST System Link and another license, the latter of which I am hoping to potentially acquire an old C6.5.5 license (on XP 5.5.3) due to the fact of the last two Cubase versions being feature complete and fully stable on supported OS's.
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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby knuckle47 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:28 am

Hi Steve, congratulations of figuring out all this "stuff". I am enjoying reading about your progress. Now your gonna have to stopover !
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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby BriHar » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:06 pm

Steve Fogal wrote: I can't directly cooy/paste files, documents, folders like I thought they meant! I have to put it in my 'network shared' folder, then, take it out of that from the other machine.
Have you "shared" the Drives and Folders? Once they are properly shared and the security set there should be no problems manipulating files and folders between machines, Also, if they are in different locations, you can use Remote Desktop Connection to logon to a remote machine in order to change settings etc.
...yes I think it can be easily done, just take everything down to Highway 61.

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Re: On to NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc...

Postby kzarider » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:01 am

If you really want to do a server farm to access data secure and without a need for a powerful box. You should try Linux (Red Hat is what I used)It is great and both mac and pc can access the data with no headaches. And no Virus ever!
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:44 pm

Bah.

Buy a cheap router, no WiFi needed though I think it's so ubiquitous that you can't buy a router without WiFi any more, and connect both computers to it. You do not need to have access to the Internet to use this.

The great thing is that you can, in the future, by a dedicated SAN (Synology is my brand of choice), and plug it into the router so that you don't have to worry about sharing drives on either computer for the purposes of file storage.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Strophoid » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:59 pm

You mean a NAS? Never heard of SAN :?
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Jarno » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:11 am

Strophoid wrote:You mean a NAS? Never heard of SAN :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network

But you are right. He MUST have meant NAS. SAN is definitely too heavy, complicated and expensive solution for this kind of application.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:11 pm

Yeah, I meant NAS. They are, functionally speaking, essentially the same thing.

I have the Synology DS110j with an internal 2TB drive. It's amazing. The operating system it runs seems to be some variant of Linux.

Since I do have my computers connected to the 'net, I have my entire 25G set of ripped CDs on that drive. That plus my unlimited data plan (courtesy of my employer) plus Synology's DS Audio iOS app means I stream my music directly from home rather than store it on the phone. Between that and Pandora I'm good to go as far as music is concerned. I do a lot of driving for work so this has been a life saver.

From a more practical perspective, Synology produces other apps too. DS File allows me to navigate the directory structure on the NAS and email them, etc. And, connected via No-IP, I can do the same via any Internet connected computer, i.e. I login to the NAS and can access music, files, etc.

The NAS has a number of software packages (for free) that you can install, many of which are built by Synology but some by 3rd parties: web servers, Wordpress, full blown CRM applications, etc. I could theoretically run an entire business with this device. The NAS is also DNLA compliant, so I can stream music through my Sony Blu-ray player and from that to my Sony At Home network for music around the house.

The device itself cost me $150, but it doesn't come with any actual storage. You buy an internal drive of your choice and install it yourself. The installation took me 15 minutes. Best investment of my life.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Mr. Beer » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:39 pm

May I also add the Synologies are great for "sharing" projects over the internet since it has Cloud capabilities. I have a couple myself. I have also deployed them at various businesses/home offices. I run my own websites off of my main synology and use my old one as a backup of the main one. I have it sync every weekend then I put in the trunk of my car for "off-site" backup in case of disaster. I also have my PC's sync daily. So in my scenario I should never lose any data for any reason, even if my house burns down.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby knuckle47 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:56 am

Steve, the NAS system I am using here at the house. It works wonderfully including over the Internet without tying up the computer. I can watch movies ripped to the 3tb drive on th iPhone or iPad and view or listen to anything planted on that drive. Mine is western digital and the prices have dropped significantly, my son has an even larger setup and is amazing in function. At least, look it up...Al
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:32 am

Well, I'm not sure about the later models - the DS110j is no longer made - but my model has space for 2 internal drives in it. I could put 2 3TB drives in it and never need additional storage again...

...then again, I said that when the TRS-80 Model IV came out with 64KB of RAM. :lol:
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:03 pm

WTF? Your neighborhood doesn't yet have even DSL? Do you live on Mars or something? :(
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Strophoid » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:09 pm

Is it safe switching a USB drive between computers using a KVM switch? I think you should use the disconnect hardware thingy or you might kill the drive or the files on it if you switch the connection while it's operational.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Jarno » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:35 pm

Strophoid wrote:Is it safe switching a USB drive between computers using a KVM switch?

Definitely not!
Strophoid wrote:I think you should use the disconnect hardware thingy or you might kill the drive or the files on it if you switch the connection while it's operational.

True! USB drive has absolutely no knowledge of "files" or "folders" stored on it. These are handled by operating system of the computer and if 2 computers are trying to access the same USB disk it's like 2 loggers trying to cut down the same tree without knowing existence of each others: they can only see there's a tree, but not what is happening to it.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Strophoid » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:18 pm

I realize that you don't have 2 computers using the same drive at the same time, but you are still interrupting a drive while it's connected to one computer when you make the switch. The whole idea of the 'safely remove hardware' dialog is to make sure the OS stops all communication with the drive before you pull the plug (or hit the switch in this case, same result).

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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby BriHar » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:46 pm

Just make sure the "Quick Removal" policy is selected for the specific USB drive. This ensures that the write caching for the drive is disabled so all writes will complete, and in this case, "Safely Remove Hardware" is not required. ;)
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Oedipus Driftpunch » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:57 am

I had a malignant Strophoid safely removed from my colon last week.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Jarno » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:08 am

Oedipus Driftpunch wrote:I had a malignant Strophoid safely removed from my colon last week.

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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby Strophoid » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:05 am

Strophoids don't belong in your colon, so good riddance.
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:41 pm

If you're using a more recent version of Windows (snicker), write caching for USB devices is disabled by default. That would make the switch less risky. (No risk if you can be certain that there are no files being written when you make the switch...but you can never be completely certain.)
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Postby BriHar » Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:37 am

XP does have it ! ;)
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Re: Back 'OFF' of NETWORKING - Sharing drives, folders etc..

Postby foolomon » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:50 am

Steve Fogal wrote:Nope not a recent Windows, XP here still... but judging by your snicker, you already knew that ;) I'll have a look at what my default is regarding that...if XP even has it. Again, I use my USB drives for storage only, only plugging in to store or retrieve files.


I knew that already. And you know I'm just teasing. <3

XP has the capability, but (IIRC) you have to edit the Registry to change the setting.
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