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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby TheNavigator » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:39 pm

distante wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:Right now I'm considering getting myself the ASIO SDK to write at least my own 4 channel wave file playback software for live activities, so I can at least have THAT covered.

:?

Audacity man... audacity!


Can that play back to two separate stereo outputs? One for the FOH feed, one for the drummers click track?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:58 pm

mmm not sure really.

I'm using Reaper for live (mostly for recording) In reaper you can add as many stereo outputs as you (and your card) can handle
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby jaslan » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:46 am

Benutzername wrote:@TheNavigator: I was not talking to you. In fact I really like that idea. My comment was aimed at the ignorant troll right above my post.

Uncalled for...
Benutzername wrote:Cubase users who absolutely hate to have options at hands if needed (like you).

You misunderstand my point (probably why you call me a troll).

I never said I LIKE the dongle. In fact, some of the ideas expressed in this thread actually do sound good to me. But that is not my point.
My point is...
Steinberg has said that the dongle is here for the foreseeable future. So why keep whining about it? Either accept it until they decide to offer another solution or move on to something that better suits your needs. Make a choice and live with it like a man.

I am just tired of the irrelevant arguments trying to "make the case" why they "owe" a dongle-free solution.... "Because other DAWs do it...." (irrelevant, Steinberg makes their own choices, not other DAW companies). "Because I paid X amount..."(irrelevant, that is a past transaction that included the dongle). "Because they can...", "Because I need it..." None of it matters. NONE OF IT.

What matters is how THEY decide to market their product and whether YOU choose to buy it. That is my point. Not that the dongle is good, bad, or ugly for us or them.

Finally, as I am accused of "trolling" this topic, I could accuse others of "campaigning." Both of which are against the forum rules.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:10 am

SB was in the beginning (at least in part) bank rolled by the Japanese multi-national Yamaha, for the purpose of acquiring Syncrosoft; this has led to better development practices for both protected and protection software.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby TheNavigator » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:11 am

henceforth wrote:SB was in the beginning (at least in part) bank rolled by the Japanese multi-national Yamaha, for the purpose of acquiring Syncrosoft; this has led to better development practices for both protected and protection software.


Steinberg is much older than that. ;-)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Timo » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:22 am

I use this one for months now, and you may roll over it with your car without damaging it. Shouldn't be too hard to use a case like this for the dongle:
http://www.amazon.de/Patriot-Memory-PSF ... B00C982KZY

It is on my bunch of keys, wanders from pocket to pocket, gets thrown around, and guess what - it simply works.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby curteye » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:34 am

jaslan wrote:Either accept it until they decide to offer another solution or move on to something that better suits your needs. Make a choice and live with it like a man.


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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:39 am

You have a dongle. It's the same size as your house keys and car keys. Ask yourself how many times you have lost those EVER. And how many times have you seen car keys and house keys and dongles get lost. EVER.
If the answer is more than two then probably losing your dongle means that one is too dumb to understand Cubase anyway. :mrgreen: Honestly I do try to be nice. :lol:
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby TheNavigator » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:47 am

Buchanan wrote:You have a dongle. It's the same size as your house keys and car keys. Ask yourself how many times you have lost those EVER. And how many times have you seen car keys and house keys and dongles get lost. EVER.
If the answer is more than two then probably losing your dongle means that one is too dumb to understand Cubase anyway. :mrgreen: Honestly I do try to be nice. :lol:


I have never lost a key to my home, but:

1. I have BROKEN keys, quite a few times. I think I spent like EUR 1.000,- over the last 15 years for new locks, because of the broken keys

2. Steinberg sadly decided to use the cheapest, most fragile casing for the dongle... the cheapest thing could come up with or so

3. The contacts of the USB dongle are unprotected

4. People in public transport in parts of Vienna... have you seen "28 days later"? Thats what it feels like to go to Reumannplatz or Transdanubia
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:46 am

TheNavigator wrote:[The contacts of the USB dongle are unprotected.


I remember when RME first release the BabyFace, and they even came out and said that the Chinese makers did not make casings up to their standards, so it is quite possible that SB have not bothered to change anything since acquiring Syncrosoft.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:10 pm

I've had the same dongle for 15 years. Strapped onto my house keys when I go out with it. $1000 on broken keys! Is that because it's cold where you are or do you hit them with a crowbar? 10c worth of oil would probably stop that.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Ed Doll » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:52 am

Timo wrote:I use this one for months now, and you may roll over it with your car without damaging it. Shouldn't be too hard to use a case like this for the dongle:
http://www.amazon.de/Patriot-Memory-PSF ... B00C982KZY

It is on my bunch of keys, wanders from pocket to pocket, gets thrown around, and guess what - it simply works.


Of course, a metal case would be more solid but please keep in mind that we do not produce them in quantities Patriot produces their USB sticks. This would result in a price increase for the USB-eLicenser. The new one will be shorter and we will have a look at the material again as well but chances are high that it will continue to be a plastic case.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:04 am

hi Ed, how about offering users a choice?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Ed Doll » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:20 am

That would be even more expensive ;)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:19 pm

How about wood instead of metal? (no, I'm not kidding)

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a smaller but yet plastic usb dongle is screaming "more fragile" to me, I (personally) don't care about the size if it is robust (also, the more tiny the usb dongle is, more likely to be forgotten)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Timo » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:23 pm

Ed Doll wrote:
Timo wrote:I use this one for months now, and you may roll over it with your car without damaging it. Shouldn't be too hard to use a case like this for the dongle:
http://www.amazon.de/Patriot-Memory-PSF ... B00C982KZY

It is on my bunch of keys, wanders from pocket to pocket, gets thrown around, and guess what - it simply works.


Of course, a metal case would be more solid but please keep in mind that we do not produce them in quantities Patriot produces their USB sticks. This would result in a price increase for the USB-eLicenser. The new one will be shorter and we will have a look at the material again as well but chances are high that it will continue to be a plastic case.


Patriot at least shows that there _is_ a way to design an USB stick that is very stable and robust enough to be put on an average male's bunch of keys and that survives it in the long run; that's exactly what I would expect from a software dongle, too.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:59 pm

Ed Doll wrote:That would be even more expensive.

for who?
You, me or everyone?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby TheNavigator » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:02 pm

henceforth wrote:
Ed Doll wrote:That would be even more expensive.

for who?
You, me or everyone?


Steinberg lets US pay for THEIR problem. So it would be more expensive for us, yes.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby SteveInChicago » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:37 pm

TheNavigator wrote:Steinberg lets US pay for THEIR problem. So it would be more expensive for us, yes.
Coming from someone so knowledgeable in the field that conclusion seems rather simplistic.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Elektrobolt » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:36 pm

Ed Doll wrote:That would be even more expensive ;)

Would it really? I mean, if people are having problems with the current ones, to the point of having to replace them, then wouldn't better assembly and casings be cheaper in the long run? (At least for them.) I'd rather pay triple the price and having ten times tougher a dongle! ;)

I have never had any problems with mine, but I wouldn't mind a much smaller (shorter, as in not sticking out so much) and if I dropped it, I would just smile because it was all titanium. Help me protect my licenses! :)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby DG » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:41 pm

I find that the gen 2 iLoks seem more robust than the eLicenser, and they come with a little cap for protection. Besides, iLok has ZDT and with the new Loss and Theft option, it seems a much better system than eLicenser at the moment.

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:26 am

Wrap key in some silly putty and have fun bouncing it around.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby curteye » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:21 am

Elektrobolt wrote:I mean, if people are having problems with the current ones, to the point of having to replace them, then wouldn't better assembly and casings be cheaper in the long run?


Aloha E,

Had the same thoughts but then realized;

Can we Cubase users get a blank dongle from
BestBuy or RadioShack or MonoPrice etc?

Don't think so.

AFAIK we can only get a blank replacement dongle from Steiny.

So if and when your dongle starts packing its bags to head south,
there is only one game in town.

That being said;
I just can't see Yamaha/Steinberg make a lot of $$$
from selling blank dongles, but however small the Cubase DAW base,
Yamyberg or Steinha do have this corner of the market sewn up.

So like many others I just gaffer tape the f*ck out of it,
(I leave a lil hole so I can make sure the red LED lights up)
put it on my keyring and bob's yer uncle'.

IMHO
Users would be wise to have a spare (they are not too expensive) hanging around just in case;
and for mobile pros a total 2nd license would also be good insurance.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby knuckle47 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:40 pm

For my real job, I have a 8 year old Sandisk 8 gb Cruzer thumb drive with a slide out connector on my key ring. It looks no different than the dongle except for the slide out connector....

That thing gets the s#!t beat out of it 6 days a week and has a backup of our accounting file on it. It is a critical backup. My dongle only sits in my desktop rear USB slot and has fallen apart several times. Someone here mentioned it fell on carpet and came apart...so did mine

No argument on how the Cubase security works only that if the license has such a value,give us an opportunity to preserve it. My wireless USB keyboard and mouse receiver stick out only 1/4".

I know this has been said over and over again but, WTF..can one more time hurt? Yep, I have a spare un opened for the last 4 years
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:35 am

Dongles delicate? Nonsense. You can drive a tank over any plastic dongle and it will still work. Besides if Steinberg had a software key and PROtools had a dongle I'd say the same voices would be heard clamouring for a dongle.
If Cubase is unusable..... It's YOU. The guys that can't cope with a dongle and keep losing their housekeys (with dongle attached) or letting it fall out of their pocket or have it stolen because it's right there ready to go...
As far as I can tell Cubase is a lot older than most of the complainers here. This means that the dongle has a reliable history. Users aren't losing dongles in droves otherwise it would make the daily news. Which means that there's about three people who are really unhappy with the arrangement.
I'd rather trust Steinberg's security than some kid (ex-kid even) on the net who thinks an old joke is a new idea. :mrgreen:
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