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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Mauri » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:12 pm

TheNavigator wrote:
henceforth wrote:SB was in the beginning (at least in part) bank rolled by the Japanese multi-national Yamaha, for the purpose of acquiring Syncrosoft; this has led to better development practices for both protected and protection software.


Steinberg is much older than that. ;-)


And was an independent company.

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:31 pm

distante wrote:All this threats about the dongle eventually ends in 3 points:

1. I hate the dongle I will quit from using any software with USB based protection scheme, if you don't quit too then you are stupid or a Steinberg Fan Boy
2. I'm never had any problem with the dongle, so, since I represent all the people, the dongle is good and all the people how think different are stupids (and probably I'm a fan boy so?!)
3. I don't have any problem with the need of a dongle, but please give me a FSM dammit good dongle hardware instead of that cheap piece of plastic crap. If you don't agree then you are stupid.

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:49 pm

1. I hate the dongle, bought some software that doesn't need it... making more music live. Cool

Still love and use Cubase on the desktop.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Brad Mize » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:58 pm

Not to stir the pot, but several companies that use the iLok have recently announced they are going to give users the option of iLok or authorization to a hard drive. One is VI Labs, makers of True Key Pianos, and the other is GospelMusicians, makers of the Neo Soul Keys products. Both of these companies are utilizing the UVi engine so maybe it is related to that platform/engine only. But my question is, if it can be done for iLok owners, why not us? Just wondering. There may be valid reasons why it cannot, but I'd like to hear them.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Mr. Beer » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:13 pm

I have no problem with the dongle, but it would be nice to have the choice of maybe purchasing a much more "durable" dongle. Like something made out of brushed aluminum, or something similar.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Centralmusic » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:46 am

Dongles?
I need more Dongles!!
I LOVE colorful Dongles!!!
Very nice on christmas trees (tip!)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Strophoid » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:07 pm

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby BriHar » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:38 am

Aren't dongles those macabre trophys the Predator used to hang about?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:09 am

Brad Mize wrote:Not to stir the pot, but several companies that use the iLok have recently announced they are going to give users the option of iLok or authorization to a hard drive. One is VI Labs, makers of True Key Pianos, and the other is GospelMusicians, makers of the Neo Soul Keys products. Both of these companies are utilizing the UVi engine so maybe it is related to that platform/engine only. But my question is, if it can be done for iLok owners, why not us? Just wondering. There may be valid reasons why it cannot, but I'd like to hear them.


Agree - they came to the realization it was bad for sales - period.

This is my point in all these DONGLE discussions - it's supposed to protect or encourage the monetary investment for the developer... well what if no-one is buying in any case??

The market dictates - simple - if more users are on laptops than 5 years ago - change the policy/technology to keep trend or simply watch the business fade away
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:11 am

Mr. Beer wrote:I have no problem with the dongle, but it would be nice to have the choice of maybe purchasing a much more "durable" dongle. Like something made out of brushed aluminum, or something similar.


Let's ask this - why do you have no problem? What do you believe are the benefits for you?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:55 pm

I look forward to there being no dongle......... and then for all the posts screaming for it to be brought back.
When you can't remember all those numbers and passwords. When you're out recording on your lappy with "clients". (clients was an old English newspaper term for men who visited houses of ill repute) :)

Have you all actually thought about the alternative?
If you have to go out with your DAW (outDAWs I suppose) there are cases (that also double as a computer desk/rest) where things like dongles on extenders can be stashed out of sight.
After all Steinberg are doing so much for us I'm starting to think of them as a nanny company. :lol:
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Mr. Beer » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:35 pm

C.LYDE101 wrote:
Mr. Beer wrote:I have no problem with the dongle, but it would be nice to have the choice of maybe purchasing a much more "durable" dongle. Like something made out of brushed aluminum, or something similar.


Let's ask this - why do you have no problem? What do you believe are the benefits for you?




Sure, here's an example. I posted a link to a free VST from NI the other day. In order for it to work, I have to use the NI service center that came packed with the VST. OK, no prob, I'll open it an enter my key. FAIL!. It's says I don't have an internet connection. OK, I uninstalled it, grab the service center installer from NI's site. Run it, it connects to the internet, updates itself. It then runs again, FAIL! It tells me I have no internet connection. Now how is that possible if it just updated itself from the internet. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work, to no avail. What is weird is, it works fine on my work PC, but not my home PC. At least with a dongle I can reg it on another PC and be done.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby jaslan » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:27 am

I understand and accept that the dongle is not a good solution for some users.
Given that SB needs to protect their software by some means, there are some users that actually prefer the dongle as the method to do so. There are also some users that don't really care and don't MIND the dongle because it works and is not a hassle FOR THOSE USERS.

Would the users that are against the dongle please stop trying to convince those that prefer it or those that don't mind it that they SHOULD be against the dongle in order to further their own campaign against it?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Mr. Beer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:46 am

jaslan wrote:I understand and except that the dongle is not a good solution for some users.
Given that SB needs to protect their software by some means, there are some users that actually prefer the dongle as the method to do so. There are also some users that don't really care and don't MIND the dongle because it works and is not a hassle FOR THOSE USERS.

Would the users that are against the dongle please stop trying to convince those that prefer it or those that don't mind it that they SHOULD be against the dongle in order to further their own campaign against it?



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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby thermionic » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:59 am

The weakness in the dongle is the point between the connector and the printed circuit board. An aluminium or even a Titanium shell won't change that.

Maybe Steinberg could come up with a dongle incorporating a short extension lead? Let the dongle dangle is what I say :P
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:37 am

thermionic wrote:The weakness in the dongle is the point between the connector and the printed circuit board. An aluminium or even a Titanium shell won't change that.

Maybe Steinberg could come up with a dongle incorporating a short extension lead? Let the dongle dangle is what I say :P


What weakness would that be? I have a dongle well over ten years old. Not one issue. The weakness is between those who keep losing car keys and those who don't. Those who know how much it's worth and those who think it's just a "10c plastic biro".
In one of my other lives one can tell the difference between a sloppy drummer and a pro by how many pieces of kit he loses or trashes or lets other people trash. Dongle's just another piece of kit. You don't lose it and you don't abuse it. And NEVER give it to the guitarist. :mrgreen:
Ah! Extension leads are, like 10c to $1. If you're that poor what are you doing with all that gear?
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby BriHar » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:26 am

The future is probably not so much a dongle, as an agreement between Steinberg and the NSA who are monitoring your DAW sessions...
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:01 pm

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Buchanan » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:36 pm

BriHar wrote:The future is probably not so much a dongle, as an agreement between Steinberg and the NSA who are monitoring your DAW sessions...


The National Spastic Association? And would that be Disclothed And Wan...g sessions? :lol:
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Benutzername » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:44 pm

BriHar wrote:The future is probably not so much a dongle, as an agreement between Steinberg and the NSA who are monitoring your DAW sessions...


If you use Windows or OSX then you don't need Steinberg for this. Instead you'll get an additional BND interface as a bonus.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Makumbaria » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:23 pm

Benutzername wrote:
BriHar wrote:The future is probably not so much a dongle, as an agreement between Steinberg and the NSA who are monitoring your DAW sessions...


If you use Windows or OSX then you don't need Steinberg for this. Instead you'll get an additional BND interface as a bonus.


Or Google, or Hotmail, or Facebook, and so on... :lol:
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Or whatever "i" things
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Elektrobolt » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:09 pm

BriHar wrote:The future is probably not so much a dongle, as an agreement between Steinberg and the NSA who are monitoring your DAW sessions...

Monitoring!? They'll make sure you comply with the fast food association of music!

Try anything else and MIB shows up.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby knuckle47 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:48 am

Ive said it before but with large scale integration in place over the decades, you might think a 3/4 size reduction is doable
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Brandy » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:37 am

Some time ago I had a session in a "band room" doing some preproduction recordings.. I very rarely use Cubendo outside my studio.. here I did.. the elicencer died.. I never was able to find a reason - it was not physically damaged... it just stopped working.. we spent 2 hours trying to nail it down to a dongle-fail and not an USB port fail or something like that.

In the end I had to use Garage Band.

What a PITA it was!!

The following replacement scenario was done professional and easy - temporary licences were sent, I had a spare elicencer.. in addition to that I had still my Nuendo elicecer in the studio so I had no downtime (used the Cubase elicener on the Laptop, just because of STUFF LIKE THAT).

It never happened to me in 12 years - recently it happened.. it was not a showstopper because it was not a live show .. but it was very very ugly though.

At least it would be cool if users of the "big" Cubase/Nuendo versions could have some kind of "dongle free" licence for using Cubase LE or Artist or something like that on the laptop.. Maybe I will try to dig into Logic some more, using that on the Laptop (Macbook Pro) ... ?!
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