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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Matthias Quellmann » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:10 pm

Hi Tomas,

We are constantly working on the next version of HALion but please bear with us that we cannot announce release dates on this forum before it's official. Please have little more patience.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Bacizone » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:53 pm

Nice sounding polyphonic glide, called "swag glide" played by the UVI Workstation engine:
http://youtu.be/vDPEm3IET-w?t=2m55s

Tried to achieve this in HALion 4.5, but did not succeed.
Something similar can be achieved by using the Pitch Envelope and double sine oscillators...

Settings:
- sine + saw oscillator(s)
- kept polyphonic
- legato on
- glide on
- pitchbend +/-2
- lfo - just a simple vibrato

Can you recreate this effect in HALion?

If not... then this is definitely a feature request!
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Cantankerous » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:40 am

Bacizone wrote:Nice sounding polyphonic glide, called "swag glide" played by the UVI Workstation engine:
http://youtu.be/vDPEm3IET-w?t=2m55s

Tried to achieve this in HALion 4.5, but did not succeed.
Something similar can be achieved by using the Pitch Envelope and double sine oscillators...

Settings:
- sine + saw oscillator(s)
- kept polyphonic
- legato on
- glide on
- pitchbend +/-2
- lfo - just a simple vibrato

Can you recreate this effect in HALion?

If not... then this is definitely a feature request!


That does sound really nice actually. I am surprised, something so simple isn't easily created. The video mentions nothing on Halion at all and states Kontakt is a scripting nightmare to get similar results. I could see that sound and method of play coming in really handy on many different sounds, so...

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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Elektrobolt » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:56 pm

For some odd reason a .vstpreset file cannot be posted (Steinberg?) so I zipped it up.

Is this close to the effect that you are looking for?

Swaggish Glide.zip
Rename to Swagish.vstpreset and put in <VST3 Presets\Steinberg Media Technologies\HALion 4\Program>
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Bacizone » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Hi,

thanks for the preset.

I see your Unison/Glide settings, however it does not sound similar: in the video it works well on each note of a chord, not just on monophonic play.

Your preset works similar on monophonic, but not in poly mode which makes it unique.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Elektrobolt » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:32 am

Here's a different approach altogether. Have to work on the timing values though.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Bacizone » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:55 pm

Maybe the pitch curve is being improved a bit... it is something similar...but I still miss the vibe of the "original". :roll:
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Elektrobolt » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:52 am

I was merely approaching the swag glide effect "challenge" ;), not the color (which I like a lot) or entirety of the sound in the video. The first program used the actual glide feature, whereas the second used only the pitch envelope.

If you end up with a decent replica, please share! :)

(I am away on business so I haven't checked your "Swaggish 3" preset out yet, but thanks for sharing.)
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:15 pm

FR: Grain delay FX like Hypersonic 2.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Cantankerous » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:36 pm

Dunken wrote:FR: Grain delay FX like Hypersonic 2.


do you have an example I can hear of what this effect is?
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:03 pm

Cantankerous wrote:
Dunken wrote:FR: Grain delay FX like Hypersonic 2.

do you have an example I can hear of what this effect is?

Sure, I attached a simple example with a grain delay on a C3 piano note (50/50 mix).
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Cantankerous » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:36 pm

Dunken wrote:
Cantankerous wrote:
Dunken wrote:FR: Grain delay FX like Hypersonic 2.

do you have an example I can hear of what this effect is?

Sure, I attached a simple example with a grain delay on a C3 piano note (50/50 mix).


oh wow, that is awesome! I love the swirly, moving texture created with that effect, that would be fantastic on pads, or just about anything really to add a little (or a lot) of character and movement!

+1 for sure!
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:52 am

Matthias Quellmann wrote:We are constantly working on the next version of HALion but please bear with us that we cannot announce release dates on this forum before it's official. Please have little more patience.

Looking at Yamaha's medium term management plan, my bet is: Halion 4.5 is dead!
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Bacizone » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:59 am

Dunken wrote:Looking at Yamaha's medium term management plan, my bet is: Halion 4.5 is dead!


Sure, as HALion 5 is coming… :lol:

Btw, HALion 4.5 is far from dead, it is a totally different league compared to their old development attitude resulted in dead products like HALion 1-3.x…
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:27 am

Bacizone wrote:Btw, HALion 4.5 is far from dead, it is a totally different league compared to their old development attitude resulted in dead products like HALion 1-3.x…

The only things that are different: They don''t wait 9 years to release another product to leave unfinished and dead. And they'll keep the customer calm by making empty statements.
Lucky for Yamaberg users think that's a good attitude. Probably the same users buying a crappy product because they like the person in the commercial.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Cantankerous » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:41 pm

Dunken wrote:
Bacizone wrote:Btw, HALion 4.5 is far from dead, it is a totally different league compared to their old development attitude resulted in dead products like HALion 1-3.x…

The only things that are different: They don''t wait 9 years to release another product to leave unfinished and dead. And they'll keep the customer calm by making empty statements.
Lucky for Yamaberg users think that's a good attitude. Probably the same users buying a crappy product because they like the person in the commercial.


mate, you sound utterly jaded! Since you have no problem showing off this demeanor, I think it is fair to ask... why? Are you having an issue with Halion that you would like to see resolved? Perhaps we can turn that frown upside down and you have to the happy camp like many other Halion users? It really is a wonderful piece of software and it is certainly not dead. There is only the road ahead for Halion and I am sure it will be a pleasant one to stay upon. I know I am looking most forward to the next Halion release, cause if it offers me anything like Halion 4 did, it will quite valuable to me and I wouldn't trade it for the world. I admit, there are many things I would like to see enhanced, or added to Halion, but I won't give up on it entirely due to these limitations, I can only hope for them to be included in the future, yet continue to use what it does have to offer me in the meantime, which is quite a bit actually.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:04 pm

Cantankerous wrote:mate, you sound utterly jaded! Since you have no problem showing off this demeanor, I think it is fair to ask... why?

Apparently I'm the minority on the Steinberg forum that doesn't like it if a department of a billion dollar company just doesn't deliver finished products and abandons unfinished products after some maintenance updates to up-sell to a newer product to start all over again.

I find it remarkable the users here don't see that Steinberg employees only participate with new product releases by giving the intention customer relations are important to the company. If a Steinberg representative starts participating in 6+ months product threat, you know there's a new product coming up and they'll soon drop the existing unfinished product like a brick (of course after one update to gain customer trust).

If you're happy to treated that way as a customer, be my guest!

Cantankerous wrote:Are you having an issue with Halion that you would like to see resolved?

Different sample rates mixed in some patches
Start & end point of loop can be set to 2147483648.00 (forever) instead of sample boundries.
Can't modulate FX parameters directly from the Modulation Matrix
Not all content editable
Can't bypass amp envelope release length
Can't adjust envelope release level >0%
No ping-pong loop
No Slice editor
No MIDI output
No Pan in mapping editor
No Macro page editor
Not possible to replace several samples at once
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Cantankerous » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:35 am

Dunken wrote:
Cantankerous wrote:mate, you sound utterly jaded! Since you have no problem showing off this demeanor, I think it is fair to ask... why?

Apparently I'm the minority on the Steinberg forum that doesn't like it if a department of a billion dollar company just doesn't deliver finished products and abandons unfinished products after some maintenance updates to up-sell to a newer product to start all over again.

I find it remarkable the users here don't see that Steinberg employees only participate with new product releases by giving the intention customer relations are important to the company. If a Steinberg representative starts participating in 6+ months product threat, you know there's a new product coming up and they'll soon drop the existing unfinished product like a brick (of course after one update to gain customer trust).

If you're happy to treated that way as a customer, be my guest!

Cantankerous wrote:Are you having an issue with Halion that you would like to see resolved?

Different sample rates mixed in some patches
Start & end point of loop can be set to 2147483648.00 (forever) instead of sample boundries.
Can't modulate FX parameters directly from the Modulation Matrix
Not all content editable
Can't bypass amp envelope release length
Can't adjust envelope release level >0%
No ping-pong loop
No Slice editor
No MIDI output
No Pan in mapping editor
No Macro page editor
Not possible to replace several samples at once


Fair enough, we are all entitled to our opinions. I will admit, many of your 'requested features' are things that I too miss and wish were in Halion, so you have my support there. I have always wanted ping pong loops, slice editor, a dedicated macro page etc, however, not every bit of software has every feature included right off the bat, not Steinberg products and not products from any other developer either. Kontakt certainly isn't at the stage it is now over night. I guess I still have hope that Steinberg are in the game to continue to update Halion to be the best it can be. I assure you, they have not abandoned Halion in any way, we will just have to wait until Halion 5 comes out, as Halion 4 has had its run already. I personally find value in the money I spent in Halion 4 and I don't regret the time, or money spent on it whatsoever. Hopefully the same will happen when Halion 5 is released too and we can all find it was worth the wait and it will offer things the end user will enjoy parting with their time and money, in order to use.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:23 am

Can't modulate FX parameters directly from the Modulation Matrix


This.

+1,000,000,000

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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby beerbong » Sun May 12, 2013 5:36 am

In the multiple sample import dialog, under Root Key, the option to just be the same as the key it's on. Basically the option to turn off Pitching by default.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby nicusorb » Mon May 13, 2013 8:13 am

Halion 5

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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby beerbong » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:16 am

SFZ import support
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:15 pm

beerbong wrote:SFZ import support



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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Bacizone » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:56 pm

Steinberg's HALion product planners may look all these cool videos of the upcoming Vengeance Phalanx sampler:

Looping features, loop can be modulated!, special scratch mode: http://youtu.be/seMk_eSayrA
Browsing with instant preview: http://youtu.be/QVJjGjMFqOA

These features were all requested for the next major HALion update at the start of this thread.

There are more vids, worth to check for great ideas and implementation.
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Re: HALion 4 wish list

Postby Antonio Escobar » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:53 am

I don't know if this was stated before, but where I think HALion fails is in the GUI design. Everything is cryptic and complex.
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