Thanks for your detailed response. I am in mixing sessions the next couple of days but I will try that after the weekend. The problem I have found so far with the patterns in GA4 is the velocity is full on most things I have tried and if I manually pull them down to get a more human feel the drums lose some punch. In BFD the velocity layers seem more dense and the velocity handles in the drum editor seem to have more control. To be fair I have not spent a great deal of time with GA4. I do like the patterns and the ease of D & D into the project…but I like the drum kits more that i have created in BFD