Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

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Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby sming » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:57 pm

Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor
to customize your own plugin parameter layout for the following hardware:


Mackie Control MCU
Mackie HUI
WK-Audio ID
Avid System 5 MC
Avid Artist Series
Yamaha DM2000
Yamaha NUAGE
Cm Motor Mix
Radikal SAC-2K
Steinberg Houston
and also any other third parties hardware system that supports Mackie Control Mode (or Protocol) in the plugin editting area/section.



It is assumed that by this point, you have set up your supported hardware controller well with Cubase/Nuendo, meaning that you have successfully connected your device with the DAW via the device setup menu for usual operation. For more details about how to set up your hardware with the DAW, please refer to the appropriate info/manual page accordingly, as this guide only covers some tips on how to bring the most out of your RCE for your VST plugin control experience on your hardware.

Ok, I will try my best to explain the topic as easy as possible here and hope that I won't be bringing the convoluted stuff this time, which I allegedly did ;-) In any case, if there's any unclear section, please feel free to ask or write me.

1. To make things simple and easy to understand, let's create an empty project with a single audio track. Then insert a VST plugin (let's say the MultibandCompressor plugin from the default Steinberg plugin set) into the 3rd slot of the insert section at the channel inspector, as an example.

2. Now, regardless of which hardware from the above list that you have, there is a standard and well-defined way to "browse" or go to the insert plugin section of the mentioned audio channel on your hardware controller (and I hope you know how to do this :-)). At this point, one should see 8 insert slots available for the instant access on the hardware, where the 3rd one has been loaded with the MultibandComp in our example.

3. Enter the plugin control layer of the 3rd slot (MultibandComp) by pressing the knobtop or any other corresponding function or page button dedicated for this (depending on the standard of your own HW), one should see that part of the multibandComp parameters are listed along the encoder knobs of your device, for instance, the top 8 encoders of the MCU device. Alright, up to this point, this is where/how we control those VST things since the HW integration introduced many years ago for the listed devices...
(Something worth mentioning here is that, such hardware-based focus-oriented workflow in different function layers like Channel EQ, Channel Inserts, Sends, etc are not available on the generic remotes in general, as it requires some extra MIDI specifications that are only offered by protocols such as Mackie Control, EuCon, etc)

4. For all VST plugins delivered by Steinberg, a well-thought layout of the underlying parameters has been predefined from factory, thus one should usually get the usable/important controls directly on the first page upon accomplishing step 3 above. But what if you have a 3rd-parties plugins or the pre-defined layout by Steinberg does not fit your actual use case or workflow? Let's say, the order or the naming of the MultibandComp parameters that you see on your hardware does not appear to be optimal enough...

5. Now, by staying at where you are on your hardware (the parameter control layer of MultibandComp, I will use MBC from now on). Open the so-called Remote Control Editor from the MBC plugin window via mouse (you usually only need to prepare once for each plugin if the param order is less satisfied )

6. If I'm not mistaken, you should see the following parameters order for Page 1 by default (from left to right, for 8 cells Standard Layout)
- Solo
- Output
- Bypass
- Threshold1
- Ratio1
- Attack1
- Release1
- MakeUp1

Now, you could...

Hide or Remove a particular parameter
1. Let's say you already have the insert slot bypass somewhere at the top layer... and the Bypass (delivered by default) is an unnecessary duplicate here that you would like to remove...
2. simply activate the "Learn mode" by clicking the "L" button near the top-right corner.
3. Then, click on the knob of the 3rd cell in page 1 (in this case the cell with the "Bypass" parameter) to get the focus on the corresponding knob encoder on the RCE GUI, one should see the blue line covering the GUI knob area indicating the focus. By pressing "Backspace" or "delete" at this point, one can remove the assignment of the current virtual HW control.
4. By pressing "Apply" button at the top-right corner of RCE, one should see the change applied immediately to your hardware... Meaning the physical knob encoder that previously controlling the "bypass" function is now empty/idle.

Rearrange a particular parameter (or the whole page)
1. One could also drag and drop a particular cell to replace (exchange or copy) it onto another cell in any page. Simply left-click on the empty area within a cell in RCE (that is any area outside the knob or switches GUI), while holding it and dragging it to your desired location of the targetted cell.

Tip1: by pressing "CTRL" or "Alt" during drag and drop operation, you gain the possibility in exchanging two cells or duplicating the same parameter onto another cell.
Tip2: One can do the same with the complete page by dragging and dropping the page body.
NOTE: this can be done in either both Learn mode or normal mode.

Rename a particular parameter
1. Let's say "Threshold1" is too long to fit in your MCU LED display.
2. On the RCE, double-click on the label part of the 4th cell of page 1 (namely the Threshold1 parameter cell) and name it as "Thd1" and confirm it with "Enter". Then click on the "Apply" button near the Top-Right corner of the RCE. Now, you should see that the name is updated accordingly on your MCU device's LED section too... (The same applies to all other supported HW)

Note: Depending on the availability of your HW, most devices only have one LED display for each knob encoder, while some high-end counterparts could provide up to three different length on different control sections, for instance, the Avid System5-MC. For the common case where you only have one single LED display for each knob encoder, please use the "Main Label" for the rename step.
Tip: The "Main Label" is also the top label you see on each cell block in the RCE page.

Define the LED ring behavior based on the parameter charateristic
1. Many listed HW supports various LED ring mode on each Knob encoder to indicate the functionality or characteristic of the corresponding Knob encoder (or the underlying parameter) more intuitively. For instance, one would usually expect the center-hooked gauge metering for a "Pan" parameter, while a left to right increment ring gauge for a "Gain" parameter, etc.
2. Depending on the availability of your HW, you can specifically define the LED ring behavior of each knob (cell) for better user experience on your HW. In practice, this does not change the behavior of the knob encoder itself but the look and feel of it.

Customize your own layout from scratch
1. Practically, it is also very convenient to redefine the whole layout right from scratch. Simply reset the whole thing via the "Reset All" button. Remove the excessive pages down to the last one.
2. Then, activate the Learn mode by pressing the "L" button
3. In learn mode, left click on the knob (or switch if applicable) of any cell to get the focus (blue line covering the control area), then go and click on the intended parameter switch or dial on your VST plugin GUI, one will assign the clicked parameter directly to the focused knob/switch in RCE.
4. Alternatively, one could also double-click on the corresponding cell knob (or switch) during the "Learn mode" to get a pop-up tree list for assigning the intended parameter similar to the channel quick control assignment workflow.

Another good example:
Let's say you only need the threshold and ratio parameters of each band but nothing else ever in your work, which in this case made up 8 parameters in total that you would like to use frequently.

Then, one could practically assign the pairs from each band onto the first page and remove the rest (assuming that the engineer never uses the rest of the parameter in the future ever again). In this case, one can assign the following parameters from left to right in page 1:
- Thres1
- Ratio1
- Thres2
- Ratio2
- Thres3
- Ratio3
- Thres4
- Ratio4

Then, remove the rest of the secondary pages (by pressing the "-" button near the edge of the page). Once done, press "Apply" and there you go.... the hardware will only provide the one and only page (a knob encoder row on the HW) with your most favorite parameters each time you access the plugin editting layer.

Important notes

1. Not to be confused with MIDI learn for the generic remote setup, the "Learn" mode in RCE is similar to the one in the channel quick control block, which allows you to learn and assign the VST plugin parameter under your mouse click to the focused knob or switch of any cell in RCE.

2. For choosing the right layout in RCE for your HW, please refer to this table: https://www.steinberg.net/forum/download/file.php?id=4132

Note that if your hardware controller is not listed on the table, but emulates Mackie Control mode that allows you to control insert strip and VST plugins from the surface. Please see your device as "Mackie Control device" and use the "Standard Layout" for your MC-compatible device.

3. Once you got the particular plugin editing layer active on your hardware. Any change made on the RCE for that particular plugin will be reflected on the fly to your hardware whenever "Apply" is triggered.

So, in general, you only have to set up once for each VST plugin that does not deliver a meaningful parameter order initially for the VST plugin editing on your HW.

Hope that this helps. Thanks!
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby curteye » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:09 am

Excellent post s and a major Mahalo to you for that info.

I recently got my old Huston working again and sold it to a client.
This post will prove to be very very helpful to her.

Step-by-step instructions are always awesome and welcomed.

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Hippo » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:33 pm

Simple!!
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby knuckle47 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:16 pm

Got my Houston running via MIDI and a great post. I'll go with Curteye on that Mahalo thing. Much of it too
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby cubace » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:27 pm

Nice. But how do I get something assigned to page0? It starts with page1, but my controller start with page0.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Backbeat » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:37 pm

Please let the Remote Control Editor be accessible in the generic remote panel!
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Paul Thompson » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:40 pm

I've just bought an Akai MPD26 and am wondering if it's possible to use it with the Remote Control Editor? I'm new to Midi-mapping so it's a steep learning curve at the moment - I've got the MPD26 set up as a generic remote in the devices menu, and it's working in the mixer, also I've set it up to control the transport (using MMC). From reading your post I'm assuming it's not possible to use it with the Remote Control Editor, but I wondered if there is another way of mapping it to Cubase and 3rd party VSTs? Many thanks!
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby sming » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:00 am

Paul Thompson wrote:I've just bought an Akai MPD26 and am wondering if it's possible to use it with the Remote Control Editor? I'm new to Midi-mapping so it's a steep learning curve at the moment - I've got the MPD26 set up as a generic remote in the devices menu, and it's working in the mixer, also I've set it up to control the transport (using MMC). From reading your post I'm assuming it's not possible to use it with the Remote Control Editor, but I wondered if there is another way of mapping it to Cubase and 3rd party VSTs? Many thanks!


Hi Paul,

As a minimum requirement, this will work if your hardware supports the Mackie control mode or emulation mode, which is equipped in many modern or older 3rd parties controller hardware such as Behringer BCR/BCF 2000, Cm Motor Mix, Yamaha DM2000, etc.

Just looked at the specs of your Akai HW. It seems to support the generic MIDI control standard only. So, it is not capable of using the RCE for the time being. Having said that, we certainly hope to extend this part in the future for the generic MIDI devices too. Thanks for your interest.

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby sming » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:44 pm

Backbeat wrote:Please let the Remote Control Editor be accessible in the generic remote panel!


Hi Backbeat,

Looking at your gear lists, I notice that you are well equipped with the Mackie-capable devices like the BCR2000 and the Mackie Pro. So, it should be fairly easy for you to make use of the current RCE with your available devices. Just switch to the mackie control mode and there you go!

FYI, I have seen in various sources that BCR2000 actually supports the mackie mode out of the box. So, you should try it and hopefully, it improves your workflow! Good luck ;-)
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby sming » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:18 pm

cubace wrote:Nice. But how do I get something assigned to page0? It starts with page1, but my controller start with page0.


Hi Cubace,

Are you using MCU, or any other hardward controller in Mackie mode?
If I am not mistaken, the Page 0 that you are referring to is the top layer that contains the plugin name and the bypass parameter, am I correct? If this is what you mean, then I can confirm that this "Page 0" is not editable and is defined by the Mackie HW standard. It serves as the "Home" page or default header on top of your defined layout. Hope this info helps!
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby BriHar » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:25 pm

sming wrote:FYI, I have seen in various sources that BCR2000 actually supports the mackie mode out of the box. So, you should try it and hopefully, it improves your workflow! Good luck

This is wrong, it's the BCF2000 which supports Mackie MCU and HUI modes, among others. ;)
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:32 pm

(Brihar posted while I was writing this)
I replied to sming in a different thread also...

The BCR2000 does not natively have the Mackie mode, though the BCF2000 does. Here is another thread talking about it. I guess it is confusing, but it's a fact. (On Mac you can buy (50USD)) software that will allow it to emulate it (and also provide a "LED" readout on the computer display) "LC XMU" On PC I don't know... There used to be Huskervu.

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby msy » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:23 am

Confirmed to work with BCF2000. 8-)

Confirmed not to work with BCR2000 (maybe there are some 3rd party software that can make the BCR to emulate Mackie, I haven't found one though). :(
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Jaytrash » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Any particlar reason that my M-audio Projectmix is not working?
Its setup but no plugin automates.

I will have to try the tutorial again.

So far I can get the MCB to load into my LCD but none of the below show in the LCD.
- Output
- Bypass
- Threshold1
- Ratio1
- Attack1
- Release1
- MakeUp1

my PJ is setup as a mackie Control with midi set as i/o
I also setup the "Control surface midi" in the "Quick controls"

Other then that my PJ works perfect as a fader controller.



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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Jaytrash » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:18 pm

Anyone think the projectmix was just a lemmon?

Been trying to get this going dating back to 2007.

Or am I stupid?
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby spacewig » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:02 pm

Hello sming,

Can I configure the Mackie C4 to control 3rd party VST plugins with the RME? Last I read nuendo did not support the C4 controller but I'm hoping the RME resolves this issue.

Thank you kindly in advance for looking into this.

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby sming » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:44 pm

spacewig wrote:Hello sming,

Can I configure the Mackie C4 to control 3rd party VST plugins with the RME? Last I read nuendo did not support the C4 controller but I'm hoping the RME resolves this issue.

Thank you kindly in advance for looking into this.

Cheers


Hi Spacewig,

Thanks for the question.

I'm not familiar with the Mackie C4 device, but if this device supports the standard Mackie Control protocol/mode like the MCU, then you should be able to make use of the Remote Control Editor. In that case, you would need to make Nuendo/Cubase sees your device as "Mackie Control" device, I guess. So, you just need to check the manual or the related forum if C4 supports that mode.

Btw, I'm not sure what you mean by "RME". Anyway, hope that this info helps.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby spacewig » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:59 am

Hi sming, thanks for the reply. I meant RCE instead of RME. The C4 is an extension to the Mackie Control Universal so I imagine that it runs on that protocol. What worries me is why it didn't work with Nuendo in the past when the Control universal and fader extenders did. Do you have any information regarding this? I don't want to spend money on a C4 unit if it's not going to work.

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby 501dubz » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:57 pm

This may be a stupid question but is the NI Maschine capable of using the RCE features in Cubase?

In the MIDI controller editor of Maschine I believe you can choose to use MCU type of messages.

ps. I find it slightly odd that most if not all of the "supported" controller devices are more or less laid out like a traditional mixing desk with most of the controller area consisting of faders laid out like channel strip controls whereas the whole point of taking control of a plugin's parameters is to use a midi controller with knobs and buttons. I'd kill for a native Cubase solution for eight rotary knobs "automapped" to my favorite parameters of a selected plugin in a compact controller. I dont need a controller the size of shipyard. SB - embrace the advantages of digital please.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Majic » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:56 pm

half expected that i could somehow put this to good use, at last......

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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby Backbeat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:54 pm

sming wrote:
Backbeat wrote:Please let the Remote Control Editor be accessible in the generic remote panel!


Hi Backbeat,

Looking at your gear lists, I notice that you are well equipped with the Mackie-capable devices like the BCR2000 and the Mackie Pro. So, it should be fairly easy for you to make use of the current RCE with your available devices. Just switch to the mackie control mode and there you go!

FYI, I have seen in various sources that BCR2000 actually supports the mackie mode out of the box. So, you should try it and hopefully, it improves your workflow! Good luck ;-)

Yes Sming I used the RCE with my MCU Pro but.......it is´t very unintuitive.
I mean on the Mackie Control I have to press 2 Buttons to control an Instrument.
1.Instrument
2. Page Up to go to the First RCE Page

Then I want to control an Insert Effect and have to press 3 Buttons:
1.Insert
2.Select Insert Slot
3.Page Up to go to the first RCE Page

For me it is too much for a good workflow!

The better Idea would be to have an MCU Control Mode (for example the Instrument Button on the MCU) and then the MCU gets the parameters of the editor window which is in focus.
This could be an Instrument or FX.
In this case you only have to press Page Up/Down on MCU for switching the Remote Control Editor Pages of 8 Controls of the focused Plugin (FX or VSTi) you work with.
In this case a second button (for example the Insert Button on MCU) would be neccesary to lock the controls to the last plugin.
Then you can have an other plugineditor in focus but can control the last in background.

This would be the greatest control addon for me in the future.
And please let the RCE be available in Generic Remote , with more than 8 controls ;-) .. because I want to control 3rd party Insert EQs with 14Bit precision from my BCR2000 with generic remote.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby cmaffia » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:42 pm

Are there any other Tascam DM3200/Dm4800 users out there besides Arjan?
I'd like to know if my DM3200 can control Cubase better by using the Remote Control Editor.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby mdorren » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:44 am

The perfect scenario for me would be to have TWO learn buttons on the RCE the existing learn to choose the vst parameter with your mouse AND a midi learn to learn the movement of the controller. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to have these two button as the part of each of the cells.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby alexis » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:58 pm

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr14/a ... e-0414.htm

Nice review on integrating all the different remote control options in Cubase 7.5 .
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One way to get variable-tempo audio to follow a grid here.
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Re: Step-By-Step Guide for using the Remote Control Editor

Postby mdorren » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:20 am

Great resources... Many thanks!
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