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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby foolomon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:21 pm

I gave up on these a long time ago. The Roland one that's been out now for...10 years?...tracked rather well, but in my opinion they aren't worth the hassle unless you're using it live to provide synth or horn parts as backup in a small band.

But I also believe that it's probably better to purchase Cantabile Performer and a cheap MIDI controller (or a Roland PK-5a) and use that to trigger samples and/or sequences instead.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby surfer » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:22 pm

This review from Sound on Sound has piqued my interest.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug11/a ... guitar.htm

http://www.yourockguitar.com/

About 15% of the cost of the Starr Labs.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby HowlingUlf » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:49 pm

There is a trial version of the MIDI Guitar software for both Win/Mac
Both as a standalone with some default piano patch and a VST.
It's a *.DLL you can plop into your VSTPlugins folder or a subfolder from that.
Run it as an insert on a Audio Track and run your guitar through that.
Then on a MIDI track as the input you'll get an extra MIDI input from that Audio Track.
It's Beta 0.6 but there is hope ... when it tracks it feels like an extenstion of the guitar!
Even the pitchbend kind of works.
But it's far from glitchfree, lot's of mistriggered and hanging notes, and some sour semi bent notes.
It's exactly a Beta 0.6!!! Far from production ready!
I don't know if those last bits is a case of the law of diminishing returns or not?
Maybe it's harder than you think to get rid of some the bum notes for whatever reason?
Trying it out is frustrating ...
























... still ... very promising!
I really wish them to succeed.
I like it and I'll keep an eye at it! 8-)
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby HowlingUlf » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:53 am

Unpredictable is a good description. It's fun to try the thing out and it can work for very good for a while and then you get into a cloud of unpredictabilities (if that's a word haha).
Bottom line: It obviously CAN work, but really it doesn't, still it's fun :)
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby BriHar » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:14 am

The Keytar is the poor legacy of the original Synthaxe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SynthAxe
You might however also want to check out the You Rock Guitar
Personally I use a Roland GR-20 with a GK-3 pickup mounted on a Variax-300 into a POD XTL for my more exotic endeavours.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby Mr M » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:38 pm

I use an Axon AX 50 system on a 79 anniv Strat. Had visions of doing keyboard parts with this but but its worked out to be best for basslines, especially paired with Trilian. Tracking is pretty good but lots of editing is inevitable
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby HowlingUlf » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:39 pm

The best complete hardware systems so far seems to be Roland's stuff?
Check out "Roland" and "Robert Marcello" for some state of the art demos of their stuff.
Although he looks and sounds kinda neo-classical he seems to be able to play most styles convincing enough!
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby shorty » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Midi Guitar is great. Steinberg should take a listen. It tracks as well as a Vg99 well set up, I'm amazed.
It could had a setting with no dynamics playing to accommodate organs, clavinets, bass and other instruments. Nevertheless, it does it better in real time than variaudio or ableton track to midi thing offline.
Nice addition to any sequencer.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby shorty » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:37 pm

http://www.fishman.com/tripleplay I bet this one could be the ticket, wireless. I don't know how does it track.
The Roland system has a lot of options and needs to be properly setup, very time consuming and
heartbreak until it begins to deliver.
I wish Steinberg/YAMAHA took an interest on the MIDI guitar guy. He is really close to something
unique on the software realm. Amazing.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby swamptone » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:52 pm

I have a Roland hex pickup and GR MIDI interface. It works ...... sort of. I'd never brave using one live. No way. But in a DAW environment, especially if you have abundant time to edit/correct all the glitches, it can provide serviceable results.

I've also used Melodyne to convert monophonic audio tracks to MIDI. That can be a lot of fun, and lead to some very interesting results. Time consuming though.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby shorty » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:10 pm

Yes, both Steinberg and ableton, ceremony does it too, convert audio to midi. I think Steinberg does only melodic stuff, while the others can do harmony.
@Swamptone, you can use Roland live with confidence as long as you set it to accommodate your playing style and the instrument at use.
I have a gk setting on the vg99 where pickup sensitivity is set to zero, so it works well. Zero is a starting point, never go past 5 or you will head into trouble, the sound from the resonating string will make the others vibrate and it will be picked up, hence the erroneous playing. So I have two settings, one for guitar the other for MIDI. It works.
Check the video tutorials from Roland.ca on YouTube. They restored my faith on the Roland gear.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby knuckle47 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:03 am

Steve

If they're still around, check out the Casio Dg-20 guitar. I bought one on eBay about 3 years ago that works for about $22.00. It seems to resemble the Starlab but way less regarding cost. As a guitar player it will but a smile on your face. I have no idea how these slack nylon strings tune but the thing works fine. It's like one of those things that you try it and get it out of your system. And for $20 bucks, you realize that even the greatest midi guitar is not something you'll want to spend big money on. When the urge strikes again, it's there in the corner waiting for you.
Just have your D batteries ready. :D yes, it can use a transformer too ...check this out or search for yourself

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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby surfer » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:40 pm

Another entry in the midi guitar quest. Uses infrared to detect fingering, a 24 fret version is rumored for next year.

http://jamstik.com/

Video: http://youtu.be/jkd-IywG-60
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby surfer » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:22 pm

It's definitely aimed at iPads and Macs but it says it supports coremidi. rptMidi, a free download provides coremidi to Windows. No idea if it would work for this demoed but not actually for sale product. Doubt any midi controller handles a pre-bend double stop bend down pull off.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby surfer » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:46 am

About 10 years ago I saw Jeff Beck with Jennifer Batten. Great show! She pulled off some amazing leads with what I think was a Les Paulish looking Godin. They probably had custom engineered gear.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby Weasel » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:58 am

I gave up on these a long time ago. The Roland one that's been out now for...10 years?

Try 36 years. First one was introduced in 1977. Scary, aint it?
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby BriHar » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:28 pm

That would be a pity. My GR20 will definitely play back midi.
:idea: If I were you, and interested in the 55, I'd download the PDF manual for the unit, then you'll know for sure.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby plectrumboy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:55 pm

No, I think the GR55 is like the GR20 in that it can not be used as a standalone MIDI synth being triggered by external midi. The only thing that triggers the module's inbuilt sounds is the hex guitar pickup that you fix to your guitar (or in the case of Godin guitars that comes built in to your guitar).

Thr GR55, like the GR20, will send midi information to e.g. a DAW or another synth module.

The difference between the GR55 and the GR20 is that the newer GR55 also uses the hex pickup for generating modelled sounds (i.e. no latency).

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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby BriHar » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:05 am

I assure you the GR-20 can play MIDI either from another keyboard or from a recorded MIDI track of a sequencer!
I know! I do it!
In fact it can do it from both simultaneously with different patches or from six different tracks when you know how.
Furthermore, check this out:
http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pdf/GR20WS03.pdf ;)
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby plectrumboy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:05 pm

Thanks Brihar, I stand corrected (I never knew this was possible and I used to use a GR20) :oops:

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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby HowlingUlf » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:10 am

Sound-On-Sound wrote:The GR55 includes both MIDI In and Out sockets. Although the synth sounds can’t be played via MIDI, the MIDI-interfacing capabilities make it easy to use the GR55 as a controller to drive soft synths from the guitar. However, it’s important to note that Roland have developed their own system of triggering the internal synthesizer sounds that follows picking dynamics, strumming, string bending and so on. While many of these aspects of performance translate fairly well to MIDI, you may still find that the internal sounds respond better to normal guitar-playing techniques than do externally triggered sounds.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby Weasel » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:40 am

A quick review of the jamorigin software mentioned by the OP:

Tried it for two hours as a standalone and as a VST insert testing with two guitars (Strat and Tele) thru a clean pre. Various pickup combos used. 64 sample buffer.

Once you get it into a DAW, the thing falls apart...particularly if you are recording a MIDI track. Way too many false notes, regardless of UI settings. Note placement too far off from where it was played. Post quanting actually made it worse. No ability to reset the UI without trashing its Pref folder. No ability to quickly set note recognition range sensitivity to conform to the range of notes to be played....something that might improve the incredible amount of false triggering this thing generates.

An interesting toy for iPad user. A good initial first effort, but certainly not a $100 app at this stage of its development. $30 tops, in it's present state....and only if you're bored to tears.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby BriHar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:41 pm

Steve Fogal wrote:... I had tried a siftware app called 'Guitar Synth' (?) and it only followed the 'slooowest' of played notes. I would have hope that 10 years later I'd be hearing a big "WOW".

10 years is a long time to wait to hear the note - talk about latency. :lol:

No discussion about midi guitar woulod be complete however without checking out the MISA DIGITAL KITARA
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby Mr M » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:36 am

Steve Fogal writes:
"So, with that..I'm not even sure I really NEED midi guitar per say...maybe I just have it as a want. Hard to say...I guess I would just have to experience using something for a while. I am afterall, far more comfortable on guitar than a keyboard."

As a guitarist , I think you've pretty much come to the basic realization. I shelled out $600 a few years ago for the Axon set up for my strat and after awhile ,it became clear that ,even on a good attempt , midi guitar can't substitute for decent keyboard comping because at best you'll only get 4 note chords and the work involved is far more than just learning to play the parts on keyboard. The midi guitar does stand out for playing basslines and synth solos however.
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Re: New (?) Guitar To MIDI Software

Postby knuckle47 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:33 am

You know Steve, I have just slightly better keyboard abilities than a 2 year beginner. I can pick stuff out but one thing that has been a big benefit to me is the way you can play a few notes and on replay, layer in a few more and keep on going til it sounds like a full sound. My parents had a player piano back in the 70's and those paper rolls played back like there were two guys sitting at the piano.
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