Yeah, it gets real messy in there; thatās why I get it all setup in VEP instead. I use 4 or 5 instances of VEP, so thatās only 4 or 5 of the VEP interface loaded into Cubaseās VI rack, which makes it easier to organize all the ins and outs for articulation-heavy libraries like LASS.
Could put all the strings in one VEP instance, so they all fit where they need to be in Cubaseās mixer.
Iām not sure what youāre doing wrong. You can definately move whole folders and individual outputs. I do it all the time. Just checked (make sure Iām not losing my mind!) and it worked fine. Moved in the project and the mixer.
Perhaps ther is a preference selection for the mixer order to follow the project . . .?
I can create, say, 4 x 8 out instances of Kontakt. Then move any instance of Kontakt to any position (the whole folder). Or if you want to get crazy you can tacke individual outputs and place them anywhere outside of the folder - with your audio tracks . . . next to a MIDI track . . . whatever. And the mixer follows.
Cubase 7.03.
Iām using Rack Kontakt instances also. Very rarely use Instrument Tracks.
Are you grabbing the Kontakt folders on the name (of course, silly, I know)?
Well jose7822 immediately knew the problem i have re: vst Instrument/mixer sorting so im obviously not alone. Perhaps itās in the preferences but im almost certain the reordering issue has been mentioned quite alot to Steiny. I shall try and make a screencast to show you what i mean.
Thanks for that, i am quite baffled now though because that does not work for me. Can Steinberg chime in and suggest perhaps why not? I will make a screencast soon though to demonstarte it does not work in my daw.
Well i didnāt go through all posts in this thread, but just to make sure u do the right thing.
to move āVSTi outputsā channels in the order u want to show up in the mixer , u should move those outputs up or down from project window inside the vsti instruments folder. inside that folder u can move vsti folder up or down or move specific output channels of the vsti in subfolders (those who have the keyboard sign next to them).
** maybe there is an option in preferences to synch mixer and project though, (im not next to cubase right now to check)
Well thankyou Mozizo that was it. Are people putting their tracks in that aswell? Ive always sequenced outside of it, i just used to use that subfolder for outside automation
When making a Vst Instrument instance Cubase asks if you also want it to create a track, i always decline because id rather make it later on.
It seems abit illogical that you cant do the same thing outside of that folder.
Yeah, I looked for an option and didnāt find one.
I also never create MIDI tracks when adding an instrument to the rack.
There is an option to turn off that prompt in preferences. I also believe you can have it ALWAYS create a MIDI track.
I, also, lock my output channels (stereo and 5.1) to the right of the mixer.
When Helge talks about locking tracks and hiding them - he just means if you lock them to the right in the mixer they wonāt move when you move them in the project window. and if you hide them . . . well . . .you wonāt see them at all. But they still are seen and move in the list of available tracks in the mixer.
Also, VSTi outputs do not have to stay in ANY folder. You can put them anywhere.
See my third example above (pic6) where I moved the first output from all three instances of Kontakt to the top of the window - no folder.
Welll thanks guys thats saved me alot of time. Cant believe I didnāt try it. Still, i would have thought it made more sense for the reordering of tracks to work outside of that vst folder where people are doing the sequencing.
I guess now i can only ask Steinberg that they allow arranging tracks within the Mixer itself. Although Ive seen people requesting that for years!
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It would be really nice to be able to name each VI instance upon activation, instead of 50 Kontakts - you can name them - Choir, Bass, Strings etc.
Personally, I donāt really mind moving tracks only in the Project Window (though youāre right - this has been mucho requested). On my dual monitors itās always open and accessible . . .so . .
What I REALLY want to see is the same āhide/show tracksā thing and āagentsā implemented in the Project Window.
as for moving track order directly in mixconsole,i saw a topic where helge says its not yet implemented which means they are going to do it i future i guess.
as for the subject. the midi channel as nothing to do with the actual audio output signal of that vsti.
think the vsti in rack as an hardware synth, u use the midi track to sequence(record the midi info) and that synth(or vsti) has also other audio output that goes to audio channel to hear it.
on the other hand Instrument Track is combined, u can record midi to it and also the audio output is there, the disadvantage is of course that is limited for one voice/output. so u cant use for example record/use more then 1 channel in multi timbral vsti as kontakt. see here the differences.Cubase 5.5: Instrument Track vs Midi track - YouTube
yes, and nowadays it doesnāt seem to make much difference if you use 16 separate instances of Kontakt/EW Play/Halion etc each with one sound or 2 multitimbral versions with 16 channels. In the past multi timbral VIās were a necessity due to low power/memory computers of the time and probably as a legacy of hardware devices. Iāve been using multiple versions of VIās now for a while with no performance issues.
I will point out though my template isnāt as large as your guys and I tend to use key switching in EW play so will load all articulations for each instrument track.
Thanks for the explanation, i used vst5 score for so long and jumped ship throughout the sx series, then dived in at Cubase 5 so must have missed some glaringly obvious changes. I was using those outputs for automation, didnāt register they would serve to reorder but when you put it like that its obvious
Hugh i was trying to reorder project Midi channels instead of the ones inside of Vst Instruments. So in the image below i thought i could just reorder the channels outside of the vst instruments folder - my main sequenced stuff - spics/stacs/drums/synths etc.
I would find that way of doing it far quicker and cleaner, especially considering you canāt rename the VST Instrument instances (have to count through 50/60 channels that all say kontakt!). I noticed you can move them but it would be nice for those outputs to be combined (like instrument tracks) for a cleaner UI. Although i can imagine some cons aswell as the pros to that.
Although Its abit OCDish the main reason i need so many outputs is because i just cant mix nowing i donāt have full control of a multi with just a single out (plus i hate keyswitching), and with the ammount of Instruments in strings libs such as Lass and huge woods/brass libs it adds up. I realise you can use VSL/Play etc to mix, like kontakt, but i like everything inside of the DAW mixer. With only 64 counts of Vst Instrument channels in Cubase im forced to combine everything in patches.
Steinberg - why only 64 instances of Vst Instruments ?