[ISSUES] Printing score

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[ISSUES] Printing score

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:34 pm

When printing to a PDF file, a huge file is created rather than the usual smaller file. This is only since the 7.01 update. All previous versions were fine. I am forced to revert to 7.0 until this is fixed as I can't save my scores to PDF properly in 7.01.

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:44 pm

edited because of user :o error...
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:22 pm

Mac OS 10.8.2 It started when I installed update 7.01. Before it was fine. I just went back and reprinted the faulty score on 6.5 and it is fine. It's something in the update that's causing the glitch.

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:13 pm

My mistake. Confirmed. Printing the same file:

Cubase 6.0.7 - 25kb
Cubase 7.0.1 - 733kb

I am on Mac OS 10.8.2, Cubase 7.0.1.
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:34 pm

Something is strange then, because the file I printed in Cubase 6.5 to PDF was 186kb, in 7.01 it went to 7 MB. Pretty odd?

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:14 pm

I had a look inside the pdf file.

It looks like the way the content is printed has changed, and it is image only rather than text code based. It appears that the page is being sent to the pdf printer as an image.

I figured that by using the website http://www.extractpdf.com/

Someone who knows more about PDFs will perhaps explain the advantage or disadvantage to this. Aside from the obvious disadvantage of not being able to send the PDF as an email attachment.
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby vic_france » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:35 pm

How did the pdfs actually print in Cubase 7.0 Mac?
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:47 pm

In 7 they were fine. This started with 7.01. They changed the way they are printed. The files are coming out huge. The purpose of being able to print a lower sized PDF file is to be able to e-mail it and so forth.

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:56 pm

I printed out from the same file in 6.0.7 and in 7.0.1 Both printed. It took about the same amount of time.

The pdf file also prints normally.


edit: Vic, were you asking about 7.0 specifically?
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:09 pm

No I'm concerned about 7.01 and forward. Please don't change this. the way it was in 6, 6.5 and 7 was fine and useful.

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:13 pm

Vic, Lee,

The known issues document said the were problems with unwanted lines being printed in 7.0, and this was stated to have been fixed in 7.0.1.

I never installed 7.0. Did that version print wrongly? (to pdf, and to physical printer)
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby vic_france » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:34 pm

SteveInChicago wrote:Vic, Lee,

The known issues document said the were problems with unwanted lines being printed in 7.0, and this was stated to have been fixed in 7.0.1.

I never installed 7.0. Did that version print wrongly? (to pdf, and to physical printer)

In fact it wasn't "unwanted lines", but the scaling (i.e. "thickness") of thin lines was all wrong.. e.g. the lines of the staves were very black, and other anomalies that were definitely not "WYSIWYG".. very ugly looking. And (for me at least), printing to pdf gave the same result, especially when eventually printing out the pdf.
In 7.0.1, it does look like, as you have suggested yourself, that printing is now an image file.

I am remembering back to old discussions, about the lack of printing at all in Cubase 6.x Mac in 64-bit mode, and I think it was something to do with the Mac's use of the Carbon dsk (which didn't work in 64-bit). I am guessing that Cubase 7 is now totally Carbon-free, but that there is some reason why the replacement "Cocoa" dsk doesn't handle Cubase's printing very well.

I'd be very interested to see how the latest versions of Logic/Sibelius etc. handle this on Mac :).
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby leeholdridge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:23 pm

Please re-instate and keep the old way of printing to PDF. As a composer it has been so useful to be able to e-mail the PDF file of a finished score along with a midi file or an XML file to copyists and conductors. If you change it to save as an image file, the resulting file is huge and unwieldy. I can always work in 7.1 and close and load 6.5 to print, but that will be a big nuisance, especially when under a deadline. The previous method was simple, straight forward and efficient.

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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:59 pm

I use Finale 2012, it creates a text pdf, if that's what you mean. But I of course don't know what tools they use to write/configure the software.

I imagine you are on the right track about it having to do with development tools, and maybe they had to sacrifice one thing to get the benefit of another.

The optimist in me is hoping this was a stopgap so they could get printing into the package before the winter break, and that they will be able to return to printing normal PDFs.

We'll see. Or not. :roll:
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby vic_france » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:55 am

SteveInChicago wrote:I use Finale 2012, it creates a text pdf, if that's what you mean. But I of course don't know what tools they use to write/configure the software.

Is it running natively in 64-bit?
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Re: Printing score to PDF creating a huge sized file by error

Postby SteveInChicago » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:53 pm

vic_france wrote:Is it running natively in 64-bit?


No! :?

vic_france wrote: In fact it wasn't "unwanted lines", but the scaling (i.e. "thickness") of thin lines was all wrong.. [...]

I am remembering back to old discussions, about the lack of printing at all in Cubase 6.x Mac in 64-bit mode, and I think it was something to do with the Mac's use of the Carbon dsk (which didn't work in 64-bit). I am guessing that Cubase 7 is now totally Carbon-free, but that there is some reason why the replacement "Cocoa" dsk doesn't handle Cubase's printing very well.

I'd be very interested to see how the latest versions of Logic/Sibelius etc. handle this on Mac :).


So I downloaded the Sibelius demo (Which is a 64bit app) and printed to pdf. The resulting file is a text only pdf, and below 20k for one page. (Sibelius in 64bit mode of course).

This method of printing in Cubase 7.0.1 does look like a stop-gap measure taken to give printing back to Cubase 7 score users. I do hope they solve the difficulties regarding print to pdf and return us the to more useful and common printing result.

In doing this experiment I discovered a bug in the save dialog that requires force quiting Cubase.

See my next post. :roll:
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Mac Cubase 7.0.1: unresponsive when saving from print dialog

Postby SteveInChicago » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:08 pm

Mac Cubase 7.0.1 becomes unresponsive when saving from the print dialog when saving with duplicate name.

repro:

  • Remove Cubase 7 from ~/Library/Preferences/ (to eliminate any other issue)
  • Create a new file in Cubase (I created an empty file)
  • Add a MIDI track
  • Open it in Score Edit
  • Switch to page view mode
  • Print the score to pdf. Use a file name that already exists when the save dialog comes up
  • Hit Save

Cubase is now unresponsive. You cannot use the mouse or keyboard to click on Cancel or Replace, to dismiss the save dialog.

The only way out is to force quit.


edited: subject for clarity
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Re: [ISSUES] Printing score

Postby SalvadorianX » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:47 am

(Windows) I had no noticeable issues with PDF file size increases when upgrading to v7.0.1. I presently have Acrobat X installed as well though. In order to get everything to print correctly I had to

1. Copy the Steinberg fonts over to C:\Windows\Fonts .
2. Unselect “Rely on system fonts only…” in the PDF printing preferences.

My PDF output is also set to “High Quality”.

Perhaps your PDF writer is creating an image file because it can’t locate all the fonts being used.

My file sizes seem more dependent on the stuff I add to the score, such as slurs and block text, as well as the Layout “size” value under Layout Score Settings.

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Mac 7.0.1: unresponsive when saving from print dialog

Postby SteveInChicago » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:17 pm

This post was merged into another post about Score printing. I thought I would post it separately.

Can someone dupicate?

Mac Cubase 7.0.1 becomes unresponsive when saving from the print dialog when saving with duplicate name.

repro:

Remove Cubase 7 from ~/Library/Preferences/ (to eliminate any other issue)
Create a new file in Cubase (I created an empty file)
Add a MIDI track
Open it in Score Edit
Switch to page view mode
Print the score to pdf. Use a file name that already exists when the save dialog comes up
Hit Save


Cubase is now unresponsive. You cannot use the mouse or keyboard to click on Cancel or Replace, to dismiss the save dialog.

The only way out is to force quit.
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Re: Mac 7.0.1: unresponsive when saving from print dialog

Postby dr4kan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:25 pm

yes! I can reproduce it.
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Re: Mac 7.0.1: unresponsive when saving from print dialog

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:08 pm

I totally forgot about this and tried to save with duplicate name and Cubase froze. So I am bumping the thread as a means to channel my frustration. Will it work?
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Re: [ISSUES] Printing score

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:47 pm

It's a Mac only problem.
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Re: [ISSUES] Printing score

Postby SteveInChicago » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:39 pm

Just a bump for this issue. This thread was combined and there are two issues in it. pdf file size and this one which is renders Cubase unresponsive. Sorry if it's annoying. (I mean my reposting, the issue is, quite.)

Mac Cubase 7.0.3 still becomes unresponsive when saving from the print dialog when saving with duplicate name.

repro:

Open a track in Score Edit
Switch to page view mode
Print the score to pdf. Use a file name that already exists when the save dialog comes up
Hit Save

Cubase is now unresponsive. You cannot use the mouse or keyboard to click on Cancel or Replace, to dismiss the save dialog.

The only way out is to force quit.
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Re: [ISSUES] Printing score

Postby SteveInChicago » Thu May 09, 2013 6:39 pm

I posted a workaround for this here: viewtopic.php?f=175&t=39333
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Re: [ISSUES] Printing score

Postby leeholdridge » Fri May 10, 2013 7:20 pm

I have posted about this PDF printing issue numerous times here on the forums. My work around at the moment is that I still have 6.5 installed on the same computer. When I finish a score and have formatted it. I close 7.03 and open 6.5. I then open the same file in 6.5, run the formatting again and give it a new name. I then print to PDF which 6.5 does just fine.

It makes absolutely no sense to me that the procedure works fine in 6.5 and not on 7.03 on the very same computer. Simply put, Steinberg screwed up in their programming and they don't seem to want to fix it. All they need to do is re-instate the printing to PDF process from the earlier version.

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