YAMAHA Nuage & Steinberg Nuendo 6 @ AES New York

Hi

Agreed, the Yamaha booth placement is excellent. But with the release of such a major product I was looking forward to sitting and watching a Nuendo 6 demo on a screen, with a presenter… Old school but very effective to bring in new interest.

There’s a LOT of fader boards at AES and I thought Nuage was hidden in plain sight amongst them all. But it’s Nuendo that makes Nuage special. There should have bee NUendo banners everywhere. I’m a long time Nuendo user… But I love to sit and watch a really good workshop too. I just thought this year would be the Nuendo break out year… most video pros here don’t even know there is an option to ProTools so a sit down big screen demo is just a no brainer IMO.

But hey, maybe it’s a corporate culture difference …

Just my 2 c

hi

Guess I missed the Nuendo instance running outside of the Nuage room… but that’s my point. Yamaha’s thrust was all Yamaha mixers. Assuming they thought Nuage was important ( though I still say they didn’t give a hint of that presentation-wise for the average attendee walking past ) there was no hint that the software making it do anything was significant. I asked if there were any any SB demos on show and a rep said ‘no’. That was it. I don’t think they even knew the DAW running behind Nuage wasn’t just built into Nuage! ( not the guy running the Nuage in the special room… He knew what was what ).

Years ago at NAB there was at least Greg Ondo holding up the Nuendo flag… all by himself. Shouldn’t there be 3 Steinberg reps at every AES / NAB with Nuendo shirts talking to people all the time? It’s called community building, brand recognition, getting potential new users into the family and showing that the creators of this wonderful software are excited too…

Over at the Slate booth ( smaller and less visible than Yamaha) that’s what they doing with their giant iPad virtual mixer thingy, and there was a constant line to see it. The SSL team are always there to chat and show off things. They know I’m not a customer now, but who knows what lies ahead ( well I do, but they don’t… Lol ). Audio Technica had guest NY producers ( serious Grammy award winners ) talking to the crowd about their workflow and the crowd lapped it up. There’s dozens of other examples.

Surely there are a couple of Pro NY / US Nuendo users who could have come and spoken to an information hungry crowd about their Nuendo workflows? Plenty would sit and listen. All you need is a laptop, projector and a screen. Oh, and a mic and powered speaker…maybe that’s what tripped Yami up … Ha ha. I assure you that you’d have got a great crowd just by demoing how to get a FCP X project into Nuendo in great shape for a post mix. ( yes it works and it’s great ). An ADR demo would have wowed them all… Seriously if no one else can do it PM me. :wink:)

I can tell you for a fact that young people starting off, messing around with media production in the US mostly don’t know what Cubase is, have no clue what Nuendo is and all want to learn Protools. I teach this stuff and fight the battle every day. Mostly I lose. What I saw , or didn’t see at AES, doesn’t help.

I’ll stop now.

I really want to see Nuage in action.
I’m not being nasty but I really don’t care about market share. I’m a very happy Nuendo user and I’m tired of mousing around. I want a console built for Nuendo. I’m in Florida. Where can I get hands on and BUY THIS THING?

Hello,

thanks to those who have visited the Yamaha booth at the AES show. I hope you could spent some
time with the product specialists and got an impression of the Nuage controller system. We avoided
having “one” big demonstration instead focussed on 1:1 talks in order to explain the details of Nuendo
and Nuage.

Thanks also to those who came to the show to talk to me in person. It was a pleasure to meeting you.

Thanks again,
Timo

Hello,

shame we didn’t met. But maybe we’ll get the chance sometime soon when I’m back in the US together with further Steinberg representatives. The control room GUI design won’t change in the next update that will be available around end of January. Regarding the key command, we might be able to add that option in a short period of time.

Thanks,
Timo

Do tell…

Will there be any chance for a user meet?

Thanks

Hello,

sure. I always allocate time slots for meetings with users on my business trips.

Thanks,
Timo

Hi,

that was you - I actually remember. I didn’t know it was you. I meet so many people when I’m at such shows and
usually my life is all about airport-hotel-meeting room.

Re the GUI, we didn’t find time for a deep analysis yet. That’s why I cannot guarantee that it will change but assure that we will acutally rediscuss in the weeks to come. However, it will then be to late for the very next update 6.0.7, which will contain e.g. the renewned AAF filter I have promised early this year.

Thanks,
Timo



Are you going to give us back the old mixer layout for Control Room at least as an option or what is your plan?

It means > we are staying with what we have and we are proud and motivated about it.

This is EXACTLY what I suspected Timo and Steinberg was up to. They don’t answer because the decision has already been made. No need to reevaluate, but rather than own up to it and be honest about it we, the PAYING customers have to keep posting and posting to get a reply, a reply which is then not the entire truth.

I was excited to come and see the Nuage. And it’s a great looking product to be honest. I examined and fiddled with the board about 4-5 times while I was there. I didn’t go into the big booth because it seemed like a private affair and, honestly, I didn’t need the big setup that was in the room. But the board in front of the entrance was more of what I was interested in and it was accessible by simply walking up.

In my experience, there always seemed to be several people standing around examining it. But there really wasn’t anyone showing it off. Heck, I actually showed off the channel scrolling feature to a guy just standing there which got a big “Hey, that’s cool” smile. I finally got a rep to talk to me. My first question was about dealing with inserts. He brought up an insert which showed up in the middle of one of the screens, replacing the fader banks. I said OK, but how do it put multiple inserts up on the screen at once? Can this be done? His answer - 'No, you can’t do that."

And that was it. He had nothing else to offer about anything else.

No Nuage for me. And that’s the one thing I came to see.


Darren “Sans Nuage” Ingram

I don’t understand. Can you explain further?

The Nuage board had three screens. Two screens were fader banks and the one on the far right was the edit window. So he inserted a plugin onto a track - I can’t remember what plugin exactly - let’s say a compressor. OK, so now that it’s inserted he clicks on it and brings up the panel for that compressor plugin. The mixer on that screen completely disappears and you’re then only looking at the plugin panel in the center of a blank screen. You twiddle with it, close it, then you get your mixer window back. But he said I couldn’t look at more than just that one at a time and that was that.

That was hurtful because I routinely monitor multiple plugs at one.


Darren “One plug-at-a-time” Ingram

By using the board, you can only open one plugin at the time, that is correct.
(And two “e” windows)
However, the old fashioned way, clicking on the plugins, works perfectly.


Fredo

Our system has 2 fader banks, one control and a workspace.
In total, we have 4 screens.


The screen on the far right, in front of the workspace is a multi-purpose screen.
By using workspaces, we quickly switch between extended project monitor, marker/pool window and other uses.
You can put all of your plugins on that screen and happily switch between workspaces hiding and showing those plugin GUI’s.

It’s a little bit easy to shout “bad design” without having explored the possibilities.
And they are close to endless.
There is no board in the world which is going to be adapted to the specific workflow and needs of an individual user.
And yes, there are things that could have been better. As with any controller.
The difference between Nuage and any other controller is that it’s easy to get past these shortcomings. I don’t have any problem in using the mouse and keyboard from time to time. In fact I see the controller as a giant extention/add-on to my old way of working. (Remember that I am not a fan of controllers) There are jus too many things that still go faster and require less clicks and pushbuttons with a mouse & keyboard than with a controller. I don’t see why it should be one or the other.


Fredo

So who is correct here:

Guillermo Navarrete - Product Specialist

or

Timo Wildenhain - Product Marketing Manager



You can’t both be right guys.