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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby paaltio » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:23 am

If other companies can support multiple authorization schemes http://www.izotope.com/support/portal/authorization.asp, Steinberg can as well.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby thinkingcap » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:44 am

paaltio wrote:If other companies can support multiple authorization schemes http://www.izotope.com/support/portal/authorization.asp, Steinberg can as well.

If other people can live very well with the dongle, you can as well...
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby TheNavigator » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:19 pm

Come on, thinkingcap, that was really cheap of you. :x

For me, the dongle is really hamstringing my use of Cubase with my band, because (as I said before) I don't want to carry about EUR 1.000,- of software around with me in public transport.

A "lease software for x hours to other dongle" with automatic (!!!!) return of the license to the original dongle would solve all my problems. If the dongle where I have the license on for, say, 12 hours gets lost I simply laugh and shrug it off.

At the moment, taking Cubase, Halion, Waldorf Largo and Padshop Pro with me is an absolute no - go. Absolute.

We're often talking about the possibilities of using Cubase and all that during rehearsal in my band, btw... I just wish we could... :-(
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Makumbaria » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:32 pm

TheNavigator wrote:
For me, the dongle is really hamstringing my use of Cubase with my band, because (as I said before) I don't want to carry about EUR 1.000,- of software around with me in public transport.


I understand your concerns. I would be happy with a system like the new TLC (Theft & loss coverage) from ilok.


"Theft & Loss Coverage (Requires Second Generation iLok)
We are pleased to announce a new option with Zero Downtime™ service called Theft & Loss Coverage (TLC). With this new option, we can handle your lost or stolen iLok RMA the same way as a broken iLok RMA - we'll be able to replace your licenses instead of you having to contact each of the software publishers and potentially pay for new licenses. Imagine the time and cost savings should your iLok ever be lost or stolen.

ZDT/TLC settings in iLok License Manager
TLC Details and Requirements:

Requires a Second Generation iLok
TLC allows us to replace your licenses if your iLok is lost or stolen.
In order to have instant access to your licenses, you should have a spare iLok handy.
An RMA License Recovery and Replacement fee will apply.
An iLok must have ZDT coverage to be eligible for TLC.
The TLC option MUST be turned on your iLok BEFORE it is lost or stolen for full license replacement to occur (see the iLok's Details panel in the iLok License Manager application).
The TLC option must be refreshed in iLok License Manager (with one click!) every 90 days.
The refresh operation is quick and does NOT depend on the number of licenses on your iLok.
If an iLok's TLC expires, it will stop working until refreshed by the iLok License Manager application.
Get coverage today by purchasing ZDT then use iLok License Manager to enable TLC on your iLok!"
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby thinkingcap » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:52 pm

TheNavigator wrote:Come on, thinkingcap, that was really cheap of you. :x

Well, why for some people is an argument "cheap", if it is agaimst their opinion, but "valid", if it supports one´s opinion..? Mr. "Pro" paaltio also seems to have difficulties with that...
Sure Steinberg can implement that, but obviously they don´t want to - said several times already. And "everyone else does it" is simply an invalid argument - in both directions - it´s just, for some people it seems only true in one direction.
I personally don´t care, if someone likes the dongle or not. And I don´t really want to think about why people buy Cubase, if it´s such a problem for them. Fact is, it has been said by Steinberg several times already, that the dongle will stay - and it will probably be the same, when that discussion comes up again in 3 or 4 months
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby jaslan » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:35 pm

The fact that this topic is so debated is a testament to Cubase. Of course, everyone knows they COULD use one of several other DAWs without a dongle (or any copy protection method at all). The fact it, THEY DON"T WANT TO. They want to use Cubase. If Cubase was a weak product, they would have left long ago. The ironic thing is that this high demand for Cubase is why it needs strong copy protection.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby SteveInChicago » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:28 pm

jaslan wrote:The fact that this topic is so debated is a testament to Cubase. Of course, everyone knows they COULD use one of several other DAWs without a dongle (or any copy protection method at all). The fact it, THEY DON"T WANT TO. They want to use Cubase. If Cubase was a weak product, they would have left long ago. The ironic thing is that this high demand for Cubase is why it needs strong copy protection.


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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:46 pm

Put it this way, if a dongle was the predeterminer about whether or not I purchase something; then I'd have to re-asses how serious I actually am about music in the first place.

Sure there is a mobility factor for some but as a compositional tool, nothing beats Cubase.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby paaltio » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:35 pm

jaslan wrote:The fact that this topic is so debated is a testament to Cubase. Of course, everyone knows they COULD use one of several other DAWs without a dongle (or any copy protection method at all). The fact it, THEY DON"T WANT TO. They want to use Cubase. If Cubase was a weak product, they would have left long ago. The ironic thing is that this high demand for Cubase is why it needs strong copy protection.


This could be said about any feature request. I doubt the dongle alone is make-or-break for anyone, yet it, like all other issues people request, is something that matters to them.

In the end if Steinberg's calculation is that the people for whom it is the last straw is a smaller group than the money lost to piracy, then that's why the dongle will stay. Not because people on forums defend it.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby henceforth » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:51 pm

paaltio wrote:In the end if Steinberg's calculation is that the people for whom it is the last straw is a smaller group than the money lost to piracy, then that's why the dongle will stay.


Agreed.

It's not so much people using unauthorized or illegitimate software in a non-profit setting, it's when it becomes standard or recommended practice for people to give it (software) to their friends, associates etc., and them assuming it's the real deal, and the problems that can stem; not to mention the potential torrent of questions in forums like this from inexperienced users.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby jpgtr » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:30 pm

jaslan wrote:The ironic thing is that this high demand for Cubase is why it needs strong copy protection.


I don't see a single post arguing otherwise. What's up for debate is the outdated method of tying a physical dongle to a software product, when more efficient, customer-friendly authorization schemes are available...

Plenty of major AND minor developers w/well-known titles using dongle-less authorization schemes today, so the argument about Steinberg requiring a dongle alone for "strong copy protection" is, well.... weak.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby jaslan » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:19 pm

jpgtr wrote:the argument about Steinberg requiring a dongle alone for "strong copy protection" is, well.... weak.

Just to be clear, (and maybe this was not directed at me) this is NOT my argument. My point is not, and never has been, that a dongle is required (or desired, for that matter).

It isn't my business to say what sort of copy protection Steinberg uses. That is their job. My business is to decide whether I will spend my money on their product.

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby zephonic » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:14 pm

I don't need to take Cubase to the stage, but I'd love to be able to use Halion 5/HalionSonic 2 without a dongle on my 2 USB-port MacBookAir.
The only VI's in my collection that require dongles are Steinberg's and EWQL.

Steinberg already has dongle-free copy protection in place for their entry-level products, so it wouldn't be that big of a jump to at least take the shackles off the VI's.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Ed Doll » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:21 am

Elektrobolt wrote:
1. The ability to have the eLicenser on a local network, so that other local computers could be used, without moving the dongle around. This should not be compromising, since I believe that *most* users only own one license per product anyways. And the ones that can afford it, would probably buy additional licenses anyhow, since that would keep their progress from being interrupted in case of network problems.


There might be an external solution available for this task:
http://www.seh-technology.com/products/ ... n-50a.html

We have had a test run here at work and it worked very well. The USB-eLicenser is available on the network and you can "take it" to be able to work on your system. It is not possible to use the same USB-eLicenser simultaneously on different systems though.
Also note that this is not an official recommendation because we haven't done any official tests so far.

Regarding the USB-eLicenser dicussion in general, I can only say that the USB-eLicenser will be here for some time to come. We are currently discussing a shorter version that would be introduced during next year if everything works as expected and we are also discussing a rather simple way for you to cover short term downtimes due to a USB-eLicenser failure or theft. No details are available yet but we'll let you know!
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby RitchieM » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:30 am

When you say shorter, I assume you mean like the Bluetooth mouse transmitters? That to me would satisfy all problems. Mine has been in my laptop or 18 months and I don't even think about it!

What about the "leasing" of say the Artist soft licence within ELC though in the short term? Is this not feasible? Essentially you are disabling the dongle but still getting 75% of the product as and when you need it.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Ed Doll » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:40 pm

Not exactly as short as some of the Bluetooth transmitters but significantly shorter.
Cubase Artist also requires a USB-eLicenser, it would have to be Cubase Elements and depending on the project, this might not be enough as a interim solution as features are missing. It should be possible to continue to work with the version you purchased.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby RitchieM » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:43 pm

I thought Artist was a soft e, not a problem then
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby distante » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:30 pm

Ed Doll wrote:Not exactly as short as some of the Bluetooth transmitters but significantly shorter.
Cubase Artist also requires a USB-eLicenser, it would have to be Cubase Elements and depending on the project, this might not be enough as a interim solution as features are missing. It should be possible to continue to work with the version you purchased.

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:58 pm

Why not consider the Waves alternative to protection? They allow users to move the licences from a cloud to ANY usb storage device or to a PC. This is the best of both worlds. One is able to use a laptop without risking damage or using hubs additional ports etc.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Ed Doll » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:02 pm

But isn't the new Waves solution cracked already? ;)
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Yeah.. you get the download bundled with Cubase 7 ..Air version! ..LOL
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby Makumbaria » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:14 pm

Ed Doll wrote:But isn't the new Waves solution cracked already? ;)


As far as I know, It was cracked a few days after the release.
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby C.LYDE101 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:20 pm

Eh... are we seriously talking about Waves being cracked, when every version of Cubase has been cracked since VST32..??... remember the parallel port dongle!!
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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:44 pm

C.LYDE101 wrote:Eh... are we seriously talking about Waves being cracked, when every version of Cubase has been cracked since VST32..??...

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Re: Steinberg's dongle alternative coming

Postby curteye » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:10 pm

Ed Doll wrote:Regarding the USB-eLicenser dicussion in general, I can only say that the USB-eLicenser will be here for some time to come.


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