Feature requests about ADR

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Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:59 pm

Hi!
I thought that I collected here few ideas that have come up to me while doing ADRs with Nuendo6.
These ideas are copied from another post but I think a dedicated topic about ADR and Nuendo would be nice so here goes.

1. It would be cool to be able to do ADR that´s based on cycle markers and use all the other implemented great ADR features AND get the recorded file to be named according the cycle marker.
Like first part of the file name would be characters name, then something like first two words of the line at hand... And then a cascading take numbering...
Files would be named like this: "frank_hi, great to see you" and then a cascading number for take number...

2. I`d love to be able to choose on what lane the next take would be recorded. This way it would be easier to organize recorded material while recording. Move up and Move down functions are great, but still Id love to be able to choose the lane beforehand recording...

3. Sometimes it is needed to trim start or end of the recording while doing ADR just to check takes. It has happened to me few times that when doing so I accidentally trim at the same time the relevant cycle marker.... Not nice. Some other way to prevent this other than locking marker track would be cool.

4. I'd love to have a key command that would mark which one of the takes is the chosen one.

5. While reviewing a take the input monitoring would turn it self off automatically. I know about tape machine like monitoring option but this would turn monitoring off only when inside current cycle marker. This way I could hear talent always exept when reviewing a take.

It can also be that I have not learned everything and these features are there already. If so please educate me.
I believe that all of these features would improve ADR work flow and also made easier when collaborating with pro tools rigs.

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:03 am

Huhuu! Anybody home? ;)
Boy it is quiet around here...

6: Open ended recordings. This would be a nice add on on your palette when working with talent.
7: To be able to record multiple dialog lines in one take so that written dialog would scroll along.
8: Recording so that talent says his/hers line after the original line is played without having manually mute the original sound track. In another words, automatic mute (all but the mic line) after the line that needs to be replaced is heard. And all this with open ended recording (feature request number 6)

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Fredo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:55 am

I think that the open ending recording is the most important one here.
It will open up the ADR taker to many more usages.

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:15 am

Yes. But equally important would be the naming feature. It would help so much when collaborating with ProTools. As I'm doing ATM.

But I want them all :)
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Bifop » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:10 pm

Tumppi Järnefelt wrote:
6: Open ended recordings. This would be a nice add on on your palette when working with talent.
7: To be able to record multiple dialog lines in one take so that written dialog would scroll along.
8: Recording so that talent says his/hers line after the original line is played without having manually mute the original sound track. In another words, automatic mute (all but the mic line) after the line that needs to be replaced is heard. And all this with open ended recording (feature request number 6)


I definitely want these in Nuendo !
I could use the ADR taker for voice over recording which I do many times a month.
Then :
4. I'd love to have a key command that would mark which one of the takes is the chosen one.

Brilliant stuff !
Could use it not only in ADR but in any recording done with lanes !!!

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1. It would be cool to be able to do ADR that´s based on cycle markers and use all the other implemented great ADR features AND get the recorded file to be named according the cycle marker.
Like first part of the file name would be characters name, then something like first two words of the line at hand... And then a cascading take numbering...
Files would be named like this: "frank_hi, great to see you" and then a cascading number for take number...


Yes please.

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:32 am

Thanks Bifop 8-)
And a bit OT. Even as it is Adr taker is brilliant tool. All those of my work mates that are very Pro Tools faithful that have seen adr taker in action are now rising flags to do adr with Nuendo :shock:
But hey! Lets make it even better...
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:24 am

Of course it would be kind of cool to have Timo or some other Steinberg dude to participate here 8-)
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Fredo » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:38 am

Some improvements are planned for the upcoming N6.5 version, but that's all I can say ...

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:05 am

9. Audio aligning plug in / vocalign style with easier work flow. This would be a perfect add on to use with ADR...
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:37 pm

I just wonder if it is too much to ask if someone from steinberg crew would comment these FR:s (not just this topic but in general). It would be nice to know that someone actually reads these.
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:18 am

Bredo wrote:The Track Versions from C7.5 (think PT's Playlists) may suit your nr. 2.

The new thing exclusive to Cubase 7.5 (and hopefully N6.5) is that you can convert the Track Versions into Lanes (and the other way around).

I don't know if it helps, but I gave it a shot anyway ;)


Will see. That might help.
Or just simply option that if there is a "free" lane at hand then when using cycle markers where there is punch in and out points Nuendo would not create new lane but would use those lanes that are free with in that cycle marker.
I want this as I don´t want ridiculous amounts of lanes after ADR session.

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Bodo » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:20 pm

Tumppi Järnefelt wrote:I just wonder if it is too much to ask if someone from steinberg crew would comment these FR:s (not just this topic but in general). It would be nice to know that someone actually reads these.
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There is more reading than writing here. Most of the time I would say the same as Fredo:
Fredo wrote:Some improvements are planned for the upcoming N6.5 version, but that's all I can say ...

Well, this applies to this thread too.
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:24 am

Bodo wrote:
Tumppi Järnefelt wrote:I just wonder if it is too much to ask if someone from steinberg crew would comment these FR:s (not just this topic but in general). It would be nice to know that someone actually reads these.
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There is more reading than writing here. Most of the time I would say the same as Fredo:
Fredo wrote:Some improvements are planned for the upcoming N6.5 version, but that's all I can say ...

Well, this applies to this thread too.


It would be nice to know that thread is read. It needs just few words from you. And Fredo always underlines that he is just moderaror, not SB crew so his participation is ofcourse always welcomed but his comments are not official SB comments.

But this is all very OT. I'd love to hear what do you guys at SB think of my ideas.
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby jvamos » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:10 pm

Tumppi Järnefelt wrote:Huhuu! Anybody home? ;)
Boy it is quiet around here...

6: Open ended recordings. This would be a nice add on on your palette when working with talent.
7: To be able to record multiple dialog lines in one take so that written dialog would scroll along.
8: Recording so that talent says his/hers line after the original line is played without having manually mute the original sound track. In another words, automatic mute (all but the mic line) after the line that needs to be replaced is heard. And all this with open ended recording (feature request number 6)

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+1 for this!
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Bodo » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:00 pm

Hi Tumppi,

here are some comments to your suggestions.
Most of your requests are already on our list for future development (and some for current development ;) )

@ 3:
How do you trim events? Does turning off the 'Sync Selection' option in the marker window solve your issue?

@ 5 & 8:
Did you take a deeper look at the Signal Switchboard in the ADR settings window? There are some options to automate the audibility of signals.

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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby ErikG » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:27 pm

I'd like to add or explain what I think Tumppi means in his #8:

One often used way to record ADR is to use a technique sometimes called "parroting" or in Swedish "repeat like a monkey" :-).

This is where you play the line and the actor repeats the line after hearing it.
This is another use where open ended recording is extremely important.
I think the switching matrix may just be enough to actually handle it already. That is if it has settings for post cycle out point (not post record out this difference is important).

This mode of ADR is a lot more work as it requires more editing, but is often generating a more fluid performance where the actor actually mimics the phrase as such and don't think about sync during delivery.
This method is often used with actors that are continually late when starting the line but that will try to end the line they hear in the headphones in sync (this means the line will never really fit without some extra stretching surgery). And also with actors who are uncomfortable wearing headphones to the point where the acting is affected.
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Re: Feature requests about ADR

Postby Tumppi Järnefelt » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:07 pm

Bodo wrote:Hi Tumppi,

here are some comments to your suggestions.
Most of your requests are already on our list for future development (and some for current development ;) )

@ 3:
How do you trim events? Does turning off the 'Sync Selection' option in the marker window solve your issue?

@ 5 & 8:
Did you take a deeper look at the Signal Switchboard in the ADR settings window? There are some options to automate the audibility of signals.

Cheers,
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HI Bodo!
About no 3: Yes, turning off sync selection option would do but I like to have it on while ADR:ing to keep my marker list and timeline selection synced. So I could edit the just recorded audio event and not the cycle marker at the same time without too many mouse clicks. Locking marker track won´t do either as this way quick fixes like correcting dialog line text would need again few mouse click too much to my taste.

No5: I tried to use tape machine like monitoring but when using Avid converter there seems to be small delay when timeline hits the in point and it switches from tape to input. Otherwise that would be good for me but this small delay makes it unusable as I can´t hear talents first about 1/2 second while recording.

No8: Eric explained it very well. Thanks.

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