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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby vintagevibe » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:17 am

jonsolo wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:"the "greed" of someone else who wants to pay less for that product."

So those are the socialist that believe companies shouldn't make money? I totally agree with the point of your post but the socialism thing is kind of ridiculous.


That is not how I read it.

I THOUGHT he meant he was tired of the socialist comments towards a corporation's "greed". And I agree with that. I am tired of it too. People gotta get paid, corporation or not.


That's what I thought also but it has nothing to do with socialism. It has to do with naivete , immaturity and/or stupidity. To conclude it's socialism implies you either are interjecting some political agenda or you have no idea what socialism is.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby knuckle47 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:15 am

"The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. "......Gordon Gekko. Wall Street, 1987
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:22 am

Bredo wrote:
forthwith wrote:After the constant ramblings of so-called experts for so long


For so long???

And you have only been a member here since; 16 Nov 2013 22:23


Rank is no rank on the Steinberg board, maybe you are guilty of the said crime.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby ufoqbase » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:58 am

Steve Helstrip wrote:I have no words. Cubase 7.0.6 is full of bugs and crashes frequently and now a paid upgrade??? Steinberg, what planet are you on?



tht's the point. I want remember 149euro to upgrade 6.5 to 7.... 49euro to 7.5 and will be other 149 for cubase 8? no words.... :)
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:11 am

Bredo wrote:But how do YOU know?


The point was, SB regularly fix bugs and sometimes the bugfixes are undocumented.

Whether this is a marketing tactic or not, constant denigration of SB policies will ultimately mean less information is forthcoming, particularly on the main website.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:30 am

Bredo wrote:And we will find it sooner or later (if it affects us) ;)


We will, but I'm betting that any bugfixes will be related only to new features; that is a self-contained update with a compatibility update soon after to cover both current and upgraded (7.5) versions, with a final patch after the release of a new (whole numbered) version.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby beerbong » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:12 am

Well, if you think about it many new features affect almost all areas of Cubase. Audio, Midi, Chord tracks. Racks and VST Instrument tracks. Would it not be better to have a beta phase just in case? :?:
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:16 am

beerbong wrote:Would it not be better to have a beta phase just in case? :?:


If the new version (7.5) includes some fixes for unrelated areas such as the mixer, then this must also be supplied as a patch for version 7 but my view is a compatibility update will be supplied for the former (v7) version, of which any fixes will also be included in the 7.5 update.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:44 am

Bredo wrote:
forthwith wrote:
Bredo wrote:And we will find it sooner or later (if it affects us) ;)


We will, ...


Now you sounds like the R&D Manager himself (maybe you are) :mrgreen:


No that job was reserved for former member "Tank".
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby suntower » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:39 am

My initial feeling is that there are some very nice changes (or redos of things that didn't quite come out right in 7.0). HOWEVER, I see no info on what I am interested in... easier navigation... key commands... improvements to MIDI.

IOW: there are a lot of very sexy features... but I see less and less focus on polishing the CORE product in favour of MORE SYNTHS! MORE FX! MORE BIG STUFF! And frankly, I don't need any more 'big' things. I just have a list of -little- things I've been waiting on for perhaps 10 years.

And that makes me feel like all they are interested in are NEW SALES! I would much rather they charge people like me a proper fee to get the thing -polished- once and for all and stop adding more BIG STUFF!

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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:46 am

suntower wrote:... improvements to MIDI.


Care to list any recommendations?
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Marsman » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:01 am

This version looks amazing, especially the track visibility options - a dream came true today :D
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby G-string » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:08 am

Marsman wrote:This version looks amazing, especially the track visibility options - a dream came true today :D

yes the linking of the mixing consul with the project page and the harmony function in vari audio are two big pluses but unless you want more FX then that is it !
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby suntower » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:15 am

forthwith wrote:
suntower wrote:... improvements to MIDI.


Care to list any recommendations?


They have all been duly noted in the F/R section. And in the old forum. And the one before that. And... er... the one before that. :D

For example: a simple LOCK LOCATORS key command. 13 years later?

A key command to key in event start and end times directly in the Info Line?

I personally need exactly 0 new FX, synths. I just need the existing stuff to be -easier-.

My concern is that the new GUI is being moved over to the project window before it's even fully baked in the Mix Console.

And I think the new 'Track Versions' is kind of a shiny penny trick: It largely seems to be covering the fact that the Lanes/Comping schemes have been worked on since 6.0 and this adds another layer of complexity. The ID idea is very cool, but to -me- if the tracks/lanes were well-designed it wouldn't need yet another way to overdub.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:21 am

suntower wrote:They have all been duly noted in the F/R section. And in the old forum. And the one before that. And... er... the one before that. :D


Probably, but as some users tend towards repeating over and over their grievances with the application and/or Steinberg, I thought it appropriate to make mention; at least one more time.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Majic » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:34 am

jaslan wrote:All of this socialist banter about greed and paid .5 versions is tiring.

The name of the version is semantics. If they called it Cubase 8 what argument would be used then?

The "greed" of someone wanting to be paid more for their product is no worse than the "greed" of someone else who wants to pay less for that product.


very good point...

also we are seeing alot of new features, i'm pretty sure there are bug fixes in there too.

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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:41 am

suntower wrote:For example: a simple LOCK LOCATORS key command.


Understood, but does not the quantize function serve this purpose in spades?

A key command to key in event start and end times directly in the Info Line?


Instead of point-and-click, right? What does the TAB key do in this case?

My concern is that the new GUI is being moved over to the project window before it's even fully baked in the Mix Console.


I am sure many would share this point of view but I am confident SB will deliver.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby lukasbrooklyn » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:54 am

Surprised nobody's bringing up the hiding of channels in the arrange, that's the number one workflow feature for me, and much requested. Also if youre scoring, bridging the gap between instrument tracks and the instrument rack is great.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby edomago » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:07 pm

sorry guys, i just watched the videos about 7.5 and i' m about to post an open rant:

First of all, i moved from C5 to C7 less then a month ago and also built a new pc for it, quite costly.

Steinberg used to be a very serious developing house. Back in the 90s, cubase was used by almost every studio in the world.
I thought they were among the last companies to retain a certain degree of professionalism.
Now they talk about "sweet gui", suggest to "play around" with plugins (whatch the magneto II section) and other marketing, childish nonsense.
I work with it, for c. sake, along with lots of other people here. We don' t need fancy graphics (those gradient, blurred, confusing things steinberg calls events), toys to play with and half made features like the mixconsole.

For instance, i' ve location-recorded a rock band and i had to rely on reaper due to C7 instability with antelope orion32 (as also stated by antelope support).
Now, with the recording sessions completed, i can' t mix the record; you know, is not that easy to switch proficiently to another software.

We need a reliable system, and C7 is NOT!
Steinberg, just fix the thing, would you??!?!
And while you are at it, could you revert to the good-old-clear event display?
The flat one.
Yes, the one that lasted to C5.

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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Keith99 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:22 pm

Must admit I am disappointed as well that they have added features before fixing bugs but I guess cash flow is king so they need to keep selling. If they fixed bugs though that would make more come to Cubase as their DAW and less leave.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Marsman » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:28 pm

lukasbrooklyn wrote:Surprised nobody's bringing up the hiding of channels in the arrange, that's the number one workflow feature for me, and much requested. Also if youre scoring, bridging the gap between instrument tracks and the instrument rack is great.


I brought it up in my previous post, yes it is AMAZING, been waiting for this since.. 2005??

the scrolling through hundreds of tracks (many, many empty template tracks too )was a nightmare, folders and workspaces never did much for me.
This is THE update. Sadly I need to wait for the Nuendo update though, since I´m not on Cubase.
Seriously Cubase should be a free alternative license for Nuendo users anyway, don´t see why this is not happening.
Opening Cubase with a Nuendo licence should be standard.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Fabio Bartolini » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:36 pm

edomago wrote:For instance, i' ve location-recorded a rock band and i had to rely on reaper due to C7 instability with antelope orion32 (as also stated by antelope support).


Hello edomago,

the problem with the Orion 32 is fixed in 7.5, I've been reporting the incompatibility and followed the evolution of the report. This needed an updated version of a core dll.

QA informed me that they have been able to use the Orion 32 with ASIO4ALL - maybe not ideal, but worth a try.

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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Buchanan » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:16 pm

Bored with these rants. So yesterday.
Time for the rant about Cubase 8. You know. BEFORE it's anywhere near out. Tossers.
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby Svenne » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:29 pm

Is €49 really that expensive? It's not much more that what Steinberg usually charges for a free(?) grace period update!

If any criticism should be made on Steinberg's pricing policies, it that they charge the same for a boxed version as for a download version. Steinberg does save the the cost of manufacturing and shipping when a customer downloads a product. Most marketing vendors, particularly these who want to show that they are environmentally conscious ( a very important marketing argument these days) and not use it as an empty marketing ploy, pass on these savings to their customers.

As a matter of fact, it is more expensive to buy a downloadable product from Steinberg's Web Shop than buying a boxed version at your local store! That is not the way to promote environmentally conscious trading. The message that Steinberg is sending is this: "Give us your money. Screw the environment and screw our children".

And now for something completely different...

There was some (serious or not) speculation about whether Steinbeg would roll HALion into Cubase (as ESX was rolled into Logic, years ago). Now we know. They didn't. Not that I care that much. HALion is a dead duck, anyway, in my opinion. I am a bit curious, though, about how Steinbergs marketing people are thinking. Is anyone really buying HALion as a stand-alone product?

A sampler/sampleplayer lives or dies by third-party libraries. And by that account Kontakt has, practically, killed off all competition. Everybody supports Kontakt. Very seldom, these days, I see one that support ESX and/or Gigastudio. When was the last time you saw a third-part developer support the HALion format? If one crops up occasionally, it because it's about 10 years old.

Another example to The Grand. Who buys The Grand? There are a gazillion sample libraries out there that runs rings around The Grand with regard to quality and performance, at a fraction of the cost. The Grand is a total waste of resources.

I am sure that Steinberg loses money on maintaining these. Money that has to be covered by the sales of Cubase/Nuendo/Wavelab. Money that could be put to much better use. My advise to Steinberg is this: Either roll all lossmaking plug-ins into Cubase/Nuendo (as Apple has done) or drop them altogether. Then use the freed up resources to improve the maintenance of the core products (Cubase, Nuendo and Wavelab). Perhaps some could also be used to plug a gaping hole in the product line-up: A serious hardware mixer control surface.
Anyone who agrees, cast your vote here:
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And now for something completely different (again)...

I am looking forward to see if one of, what I consider being, major flaws in Cubase 7 has been addressed:
Variaudio: Why aren't we allowed to use the professional HQ algorithms that are included in our professional product, Cubase? A brilliant idea, wrecked by poor implementation.
Expression Maps: It's practically useless, since it does not conform to how Expressions (i.e. Expression Keys) are generally are implemented. Another brilliant idea, wrecked by poor implementation.
VST Connect: Setting it up is a total mess. Imagine if you had to set up everything in "VST Connections" every time you launched Cubase! Yet another brilliant idea, wrecked by poor implementation (beginning to look like a signum, doesn't it).

How is it the saying goes? "Hope is the last thing that abandons you". ;)
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Re: So 7.5 is here (almost)

Postby forthwith » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:33 pm

Svenne wrote:As a matter of fact, it is more expensive to buy a downloadable product from Steinberg's Web Shop than buying a boxed version at your local store!


There's a reason for that, competition.
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