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Love track Versions

Postby abyss » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:24 am

How cool is this new Track version setup ... i just love it :D
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby papi61 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:33 am

Definitely. It instantly reduced the number of tracks I usually use by about 50%...
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby TheNavigator » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:56 am

It has another advantage.

Imagine:

Friend / band member: "can we try playing this other rhytmn?"
Me: "Yes, lets do that. Let me just create a new version..."
Friend: "Hm, sounds good, but the bass..."
Me: "No problem, lets do linked bass version as well."

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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:06 am

But how do you switch between track versions, without clicking by mouse, but defined to switch automatically? I cannot figure this out. Is there a way to program switching? Like lanes are drawn, in some way? Or maybe through midi?
Say I have three versions of guitar track, and want to switch from id1 to id2 on chorus, automatically. How do I do that?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby TheNavigator » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:10 am

sonicstate wrote:But how do you switch between track versions, without clicking by mouse, but defined to switch automatically? I cannot figure this out. Is there a way to program switching? Like lanes are drawn, in some way?. Or maybe through midi?
Say I have three versions of guitar track, and want to switch from id1 to id2 on chorus, automatically. How do I do that?


This is not what track versions are for.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:19 am

TheNavigator wrote:
This is not what track versions are for.


What is the purpose of track versions then? I don't quite get it. Just for archiving purpose? How do you see it?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Jalcide » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:24 am

I'm very interested to hear how you all are using Versions.

I use automation so the feature doesn't work for me, but I'm trying to get inspired on how I might put it to use.

Let's keep this thread going!
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Soul-Burn » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:25 am

It's for creative purposes, rather than performance.
You play a part and then think "well... I think we should do it differently", so you record a new version and can easily compare them.
Or, for example, in the "duplicate" use-case, to do A-B testing of a set of effects.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:43 am

Soul-Burn wrote:It's for creative purposes, rather than performance.
You play a part and then think "well... I think we should do it differently", so you record a new version and can easily compare them.
Or, for example, in the "duplicate" use-case, to do A-B testing of a set of effects.


OK, this is clear, you record or setup two versions, and then you A-B compare them. And what then? What if you like some parts from first, and some parts from second? How do you make it switch between versions to get what you want in final mixdown?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Jalcide » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:03 am

Soul-Burn wrote:It's for creative purposes, rather than performance.
You play a part and then think "well... I think we should do it differently", so you record a new version and can easily compare them.
Or, for example, in the "duplicate" use-case, to do A-B testing of a set of effects.


Great point. I keep forgetting that many MIDI-oriented workflows still involve "recording," and with a classical notion of "instruments" -- go figure. :D

I've been in a hyper-editing, automation-centric, edm-oriented "mouse bubble" for long enough that I've been utterly brainwashed.

I just needed a splash of cold water.

I still wish it supported version-able automation, but I'm going to attempt to expand my workflow -- see if I can find a use for it.

I've been thinking "drums/percussion," but I've almost entirely switched to the Geist plugin for all percussion.

This gives me some inspiration, though.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:11 am

I still cannot figure out how to get track versions into final mixdown. How do I make it to go from one version into another in the middle of a track? Any ideas?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby dr4kan » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:19 am

TheNavigator wrote:It has another advantage.

Imagine:

Friend / band member: "can we try playing this other rhytmn?"
Me: "Yes, lets do that. Let me just create a new version..."
Friend: "Hm, sounds good, but the bass..."
Me: "No problem, lets do linked bass version as well."

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Sure, as every PT user does since 10 years...track versions does not re-invent anything, but I agree it's something nice to have in Cubase too.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby TheNavigator » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:29 am

sonicstate wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:
This is not what track versions are for.


What is the purpose of track versions then? I don't quite get it. Just for archiving purpose? How do you see it?


Creative purposes, experimenting, comparing different ideas.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby f.e » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:37 am

This is the perfect tool for film music were, for a sequence, you always got your several first tries, then you got the director's comments and modifications on it, then the producer's choices. And the music changes a lot across time and you'll end with many many versions sometimes absolutely different cues/songs . Track versions are a godsend.

The most beautiful thing is for reconfo (don't remember the name in english), when you got several versions of the cut coming and you have to resync everything each time. Now you can keep track of the modifications and come back !
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Jalcide » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:44 am

Just thought of something: maybe MIDI-based automation could be captured, a sortof "versionable automation."

Totally gonna try this.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Keith99 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:55 am

I have always used lanes for this purpose. What advantages do track versions have?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby outloaf » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:08 am

I used group track versions today for multi-mic'd drums; it made my life so much easier for trying out different types of grooves.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:10 am

outloaf wrote:I used group track versions today for multi-mic'd drums; it made my life so much easier for trying out different types of grooves.


When you try different types of grooves, how do you then define what parts you want to keep in mixdown?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby f.e » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:30 am

Keith99 wrote:I have always used lanes for this purpose. What advantages do track versions have?


Me too, which result in a *knuf* were you have to mute/unmute gazillions of shown events.

Track versions ? Obvious. You don't mute or unmute objects versions, you just switch from one version to the other, showing only one at a time on the timeline.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby MrSmith » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:50 am

Track versions don't let you visually compare the data. For me, they are almost useless. Perhaps they'll save the near-instantaneous operation of duplicating the MIDI track, alt+dragging the part down, and hitting 'M'. Also keeping my session tidier.

If you could visualize the parts, like as playlists, and have them play back as lanes, that would be very handy.

By the way, these stupid dropdown menus eat up about 1/4" of name real-estate on my tracks. Pardon my language, but what tf are they thinking here?
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Soul-Burn » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:01 pm

@sonicstate that's a great question. Did anyone play with with? Does it allow side-by-side visual comparison/editing?

@Keith99 It works on *everything* the channel has, including inserts. It works on channels other than midi or audio, like chords track, tempo etc. Don't forget each version has its own lanes, which can be used for different takes of that version of the track.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby f.e » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:04 pm

Oh god i didn't have time to check it does work for inserts too ! This is marvelous, i didn't expect so much.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:15 pm

I cannot believe switching of versions cannot be programmed for mixdown!!! What is the practical use of it then? OK, you can try some variations, switch by mouse, but this is useless in mixdown. I want to be able to switch between versions, and then have that included in mixdown. If I cannot mixdown with switching, then what am I supposed to do with different versions of tracks???
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby Buchanan » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:38 pm

sonicstate wrote:I cannot believe switching of versions cannot be programmed for mixdown!!! What is the practical use of it then? OK, you can try some variations, switch by mouse, but this is useless in mixdown. I want to be able to switch between versions, and then have that included in mixdown. If I cannot mixdown with switching, then what am I supposed to do with different versions of tracks???
It's like inventing a car without steering. What am I gonna do with it? Well, you can sit in it, yea...!


What do YOU want to do with it? Until we know how YOU work nobody can explain it to you.
We already know how Cubase works. Maybe your concept of it's intended function is not correct.
If you're not alone maybe resolving this assumption will help them as well as you.
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Re: Love track Versions

Postby sonicstate » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:06 pm

Buchanan wrote:
sonicstate wrote:I cannot believe switching of versions cannot be programmed for mixdown!!! What is the practical use of it then? OK, you can try some variations, switch by mouse, but this is useless in mixdown. I want to be able to switch between versions, and then have that included in mixdown. If I cannot mixdown with switching, then what am I supposed to do with different versions of tracks???
It's like inventing a car without steering. What am I gonna do with it? Well, you can sit in it, yea...!


What do YOU want to do with it? Until we know how YOU work nobody can explain it to you.
We already know how Cubase works. Maybe your concept of it's intended function is not correct.
If you're not alone maybe resolving this assumption will help them as well as you.


Yes, probably I didn't get the concept correctly. Or maybe I did, and it just isn't implemented properly. When I read about it and saw advertisment videos, I got the impression that with track versions intended use is so that you can do the following:
1. record track, like say rythm guitar power chords
2. record more versions of the track, say muted guitar chords, wah-wah version, picked version...
3. switch between versions, to have one version say on verse, and another version on chorus and so on...

Video advertisment shows switching with mouse, on example of chord track versions, to switch different chord progressions on parts of song. Based on this I assumed that you can switch not only by mouse on the fly, but can also define switches in some way to have switches included in mixdown. Now it turns out this is not the case. You can actually switch with mouse, true, as advertised, but there is no way to program those switches, and include them in mixdown.
I could almost call this misleading of customer, but I won't.
I asked about this function before release, but there was no reply, post was deleted. I bought 7.5 immediately, and found out it is not working the way it seemed to be advertised. But ok, it happens.... Maybe they implement this in the future, it would be nice.
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