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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby Elektrobolt » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:42 pm

forthwith wrote:
Elektrobolt wrote:Bugs will be ironed out over time and I will certainly enjoy the winter with the new fixings that came with C7.5.


How do you know that when SB won't even confirm (or deny) the existence of such issues as an indefinable project cursor, let alone manage expectations around mixer functionality?

Regarding your second point, what "fixes" were those?

I've been using Steinberg software since the mid 80's, and my experience with them tells me things will be ironed out.

Regarding "fixings", I meant of course new features.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:50 pm

Henceforth, i will play the devil's advocate, simply because there is no explainer. There is no problem with adding features; it is now embedded in the release and in .5 updates but we must now band together and make our problems known to Steinberg since it cannot be assumed that forum staff even use the program in any capacity let alone on a professional basis.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby moondog » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:36 pm

+1 Happy. :D

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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby greggybud » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:28 pm

Elektrobolt wrote:I've been using Steinberg software since the mid 80's, and my experience with them tells me things will be ironed out.

Regarding "fixings", I meant of course new features.


Sorry I don't have quite enough Cubase experience since you started in the mid 80s. I started in 1997. My experience with them tells me most will be ironed out....not all...by a long shot!

I will gladly provide you a list of things they have never ever fixed. Yes, they are usually small things you learn to live with, however some seem so innocently simple to fix yet Steinberg ignores them and continues to add new features.

So truthfully, wouldn't you say something like 80% of the things "will be ironed out?" This is my experience at least and obviously depends on what level you use Cubase.

I should add that I'm not referring to strictly bugs. I mean things that are broken, bugs, and obvious issues never corrected. Some of them can be as "small" as key commands. However key commands can be huge to users who attempt to take advantage of fast workflow.

So to start....
Why can you open the History page with a key command...but not close it with any key command? The history window is such a god-send! Yet it requires a mouse to close it. Something so seemingly simple to fix...yet to my knowledge never acknowledged by Steinberg. But don't worry....there will be another Loop Mash improvement in the next update. :mrgreen:
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:18 pm

Loopmash is a plugin, not a feature.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby greggybud » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:51 pm

forthwith wrote:Loopmash is a plugin, not a feature.

That's the best reply from the self proclaimed "DAW expert?"
BTW...I'm still wondering how people qualify to be up to that esteemed status? You never replied.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby curteye » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:41 pm

forthwith wrote:but we must now band together


Don't do it. That's when 'trouble' walks in. :twisted:

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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby soundngin » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:32 am

+1 excellent.
Had an issue that carried over from 7.06 where after exporting audio mix cubase would freeze on a macbook pro.
Tried the trash preferences routine and instantly solved the problem. Rock solid stable and responsive. Great update, love it.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:49 am

greggybud wrote:I'm still wondering how people qualify to be up to your esteemed status.

first you need an email address (preferably a freemail, in order to stop spam) then sign up. In the past you needed to have purchased an appropriate software application in order to post but now it appears to be open slather. Once in the forum try to be accomodating of varying points of view and *always* take on board moderators' directive(s).
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby beanstalk40 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:43 am

+1

just got it... love it!
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby Telogic » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:24 pm

+1

still crashes but not as much in 10.9 osx
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby silhouette » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:37 pm

forthwith wrote:
greggybud wrote:I'm still wondering how people qualify to be up to your esteemed status.

first you need an email address (preferably a freemail, in order to stop spam) then sign up. In the past you needed to have purchased an appropriate software application in order to post but now it appears to be open slather. Once in the forum try to be accomodating of varying points of view and *always* take on board moderators' directive(s).


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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby BriHar » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:12 pm

silhouette wrote:Plus a tongue firmly in your nether cheeks.


Well, I can't bend that way so that lets me out... :lol:
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby PMF » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:49 pm

+ 0.75 :)

Since the upgrade everything works fine except for...

- Its very difficult to resize the windows.... the cursor just flickers when you pass over the edge of a window so you cant "grab" the edge to move it around or make it bigger (sorry if this has been mentioned already)
- Projects take very long to save.... at least 3 times as long as before with 7.06
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby walprods » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:05 pm

Liking 7.5 a lot. Appreciating the great update. :-)
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby Elektrobolt » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:39 am

greggybud wrote:So truthfully, wouldn't you say something like 80% of the things "will be ironed out?" This is my experience at least and obviously depends on what level you use Cubase.

I don't use 100% of Cubase. Some things I rarely use. The things I do use however, works great. Sure there are some things I wish worked differently at times, but hey, there are bigger things in life worth fighting for. Grinding about a mouse click that would saved some time, seem to negate the benefit.

So truthfully, things will work out. Maybe not the way some would want it to work, but close enough. If you cannot live with that, based on my experience, you need to move on, go elsewhere, change, adapt, whatever. Life is just too short, and these kind of worries will just bring the end a little closer. It's already too close for my taste! ;)
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby ChrisW » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:12 pm

+1. No DAW is ever going to be perfect, but I can't think of a better one now for the MIDI composer (and I own Logic X and DP 8. I don't do much audio work so can't comment on that side of things.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:17 pm

ChrisW wrote:+1. No DAW is ever going to be perfect, but I can't think of a better one now for the MIDI composer (and I own Logic X and DP 8.


Forget the other "DAW's" for MIDI, nothing beats Cubase that's for sure.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby _CM_ » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:14 pm

+1

I really like the return of Magneto and the return of the gate's adjustable gain reduction. These two alone justified the upgrade cost for me. :)
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby greggybud » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:45 pm

Elektrobolt wrote:
greggybud wrote:So truthfully, wouldn't you say something like 80% of the things "will be ironed out?" This is my experience at least and obviously depends on what level you use Cubase.

I don't use 100% of Cubase. Some things I rarely use. The things I do use however, works great. Sure there are some things I wish worked differently at times, but hey, there are bigger things in life worth fighting for. Grinding about a mouse click that would saved some time, seem to negate the benefit.

So truthfully, things will work out. Maybe not the way some would want it to work, but close enough. If you cannot live with that, based on my experience, you need to move on, go elsewhere, change, adapt, whatever. Life is just too short, and these kind of worries will just bring the end a little closer. It's already too close for my taste! ;)


In that perspective I agree with you. But the above also depends on your frequency of use, especially if you earn money using Cubase. Better workflow...less waste...more money. I have always said compared to the competition Cubase is the best. If it were not, why would I be here?

A great DAW can bring out great passion with users. And that is the problem...even though Cubase is the best for myself, I see so many areas of improvement...most of them are workflow and fixing already implemented features.

Many issues appear to be so simple to fix! Since there is a key command to open the history window, how hard would it be to create a key command, or use the same one to close it? While there is a micro for Bounce In Place, how difficult would that be for Steinberg? Would a little mono button be THAT difficult to implement? Is fixing key command mixer focus issues all that difficult?

So close....yet so far....
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:11 am

greggybud wrote:Many issues appear to be so simple to fix! Since there is a key command to open the history window, how hard would it be to create a key command, or use the same one to close it?....


if it was as simple as you infer, don't you think it would have been addressed already?
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby Elektrobolt » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:12 am

greggybud wrote:But the above also depends on your frequency of use, especially if you earn money using Cubase. Better workflow...less waste...more money. I have always said compared to the competition Cubase is the best. If it were not, why would I be here?

Absolutely, I use Cubase every day and part of my income comes from using Cubase.

Workflow, waste and money are business related terms. The tool chosen, only enhances the job. However, no matter how much a tool is changed and improved, in the long run it won't have any effect on the business side.

greggybud wrote:A great DAW can bring out great passion with users. And that is the problem...even though Cubase is the best for myself, I see so many areas of improvement...most of them are workflow and fixing already implemented features.

Some improvements just make sense, others are often very subjective. E.g. have you ever been to Home Depot (or any other hardware store, for that matter)? If you haven't, check out how many types of "hammers" there are, for example... Still, houses are built as cheap as possible. One for business, and all for business. :lol:

Again, it's business that kills that "great passion", not Cubase (or any other DAW for that matter). They are just tools, not magical music wands. Steinberg has always been a great innovator of tools for musicians, and those musicians are the ones hammering out the magic (or cheap radio trash, ;) ).

greggybud wrote:So close....yet so far....

And still close enough. ;)
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby greggybud » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:13 am

forthwith wrote:
greggybud wrote:Many issues appear to be so simple to fix! Since there is a key command to open the history window, how hard would it be to create a key command, or use the same one to close it?....


if it was as simple as you infer, don't you think it would have been addressed already?


I don't know. I would think if they created a KC to open, they could just as easy create a KC to close...or use the same KC a second time to close. I'm not a programmer.

Do you assume it's complex or impossible to fix and it has been addressed already?

If it's only possible to open, but not close with a KC, wouldn't some type of communication from Steinberg be in order? I sent a request to support for this specific problem, but he never heard back from Germany. In the past other requests have usually resulted in fixed issues in the next update. Even if it's not possible, a reply from Germany via my tech support guy would be nice.

I do know there have been key commands in the past that Steinberg simply left out from prior versions, and when brought to their attention, the KC was added. For example "reset meters" was left out with 7.0. And there have also been KC's suggested by users which they implemented. Based on prior releases such as 7.0, I don't think KC's are a very big priority.
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby greggybud » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:39 am

Elektrobolt wrote:Some improvements just make sense, others are often very subjective.


Well, from the examples I chose..

1. Key command to close History window since there is one to open it.
2. Bounce In Place
3. Mono/stereo switch on each track
4. Key command mixer focus

I have never thought of these as subjective, or issues some users would object to. I think of the above as features that either would improve Cubase for the majority of users, and features found in other DAW's but not in Cubase...yet.

If it were "close enough" you might as well close up shop and call it a day. But I'm hoping instead they implement ideas suggested by users and fix the things that need fixing.

Here's another brilliant suggestion that IMO adds much consistency to Cubase.
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Is implementing this a subjective tool? (Assuming it doesn't screw something else up.)
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Re: If you like the 7.5 update...+1 this and reply

Postby forthwith » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:14 am

greggybud wrote:I sent a request to support for this specific problem, but never heard back from Germany. In the past other requests have usually resulted in fixed issues in the next update. Even if it's not possible, a reply from Germany via my tech support request would be nice.


Were you aggressive in your correspondence?
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