Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

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Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby bduffy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:10 pm

How about this, Steinberg: you fix basic functionality and stop charging us for .5 updates, that just pile on more problems.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:54 pm

Track versions, multi-timbral VST tracks, Track visibility and all the rest. totally worth $50.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Prock » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:50 pm

I agree that it was worth the $50 bucks. Is this something new or was there a charge for the upgrade from 6 to 6.5?
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:57 pm

Prock wrote:I agree that it was worth the $50 bucks. Is this something new or was there a charge for the upgrade from 6 to 6.5?
Also $50
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby bduffy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:59 pm

Yes, there was a charge for the upgrade to 6.5.

I was feeling upset earlier, but I just think it's weird that they've decided doing this after never doing it before. And at a time when competition is high, the economy is low, and DAW-makers have lowered their pricing. Seems like a cheap way to make up some costs.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby SteveInChicago » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:03 am

The get the money sooner, but they don't make up the some costs, since the update to 8 will be $50 cheaper for 7.5 users than 7. (At least that's how it was for the update to 7.)
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby More Cowbell » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:35 am

This model is better than wait two years and pay 150 euro for a New version
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Backbeat » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:14 am

For me it is worth the price with the new features it even could have been C8.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby bduffy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:45 pm

No dissent here. Fine, then.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby jayadams » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:50 pm

Instead of thinking about what version number it is, think of what you have to pay to get X numbers of new features.

If you feel you can use these for your productions then consider if the price is good or not.

In the case of 7.5 I think alone the GA2 and Magneto is worth 50€. You can't really get plugins in the same range/quality for that amount of money...
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby bduffy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:55 pm

jayadams wrote:Instead of thinking about what version number it is, think of what you have to pay to get X numbers of new features.

If you feel you can use these for your productions then consider if the price is good or not.

In the case of 7.5 I think alone the GA2 and Magneto is worth 50€. You can't really get plugins in the same range/quality for that amount of money...

I don't know about GA2, but Magneto II is exciting. I've been mourning the loss of Magneto for years now.

What I hope is: that Hitpoints will be improved over their past inaccuracy. I was excited about the new tab-to-transient feature, but I was disheartened to hear they're still clinging to Hitpoints, which have always been laborious and inaccurate, compared to most other DAWs (and I say that as a Cubase fanboy).
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby CubeDAW » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:05 pm

bduffy wrote:How about this, Steinberg: you fix basic functionality and stop charging us for .5 updates, that just pile on more problems.


You could always switch to Reaper :lol: .
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby bduffy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:05 pm

CubeDAW wrote:
bduffy wrote:How about this, Steinberg: you fix basic functionality and stop charging us for .5 updates, that just pile on more problems.


You could always switch to Reaper :lol: .

Hello? KVR?
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby CubeDAW » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:14 pm

Re-record is a great idea!
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Elektrobolt » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:48 pm

Everything everywhere is heading for a "service" model. A direct link to your credit card. The general thought of course is, if you already have credit card information available at the publisher, you are more likely to purchase. One-click-order... a' la Amazon, Apple store, Microsoft store, etc. It is where business wants to be at the moment. Not where *I* want to be, but my situation is highly irrelevant in regards of business and world economy. Which is kind of ironic, considering I am a perfectly viable consumer.

As someone here mentioned, there is always other ideas elsewhere. I am sticking with Steinberg for the moment, because I've been with them for so long and they do make awesome products. However, the phrase "Vote with your wallet!" comes to mind, more and more, and if Steinberg pursue the service model or even more frequently paid upgrades, constant Internet connectivity, I might re-consider. That is just reality.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby CubeDAW » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:05 pm

I should be quite happy with Cubase as it is but I'm addicted to upgrades. Christmas came early this year!
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Pixie » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:44 pm

bduffy wrote:No dissent here. Fine, then.


If people stop buying it, they will stop selling it.
No one ever made a living by giving things away for free. ;)
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby ♫♪♫♪ » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:01 am

Pixie wrote:No one ever made a living by giving things away for free. ;)

Apart from the few most successful companies on the planet that is.....
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby CubeDAW » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:41 pm

♫♪♫♪ wrote:
Pixie wrote:No one ever made a living by giving things away for free. ;)

Apart from the few most successful companies on the planet that is.....


I don't want to see ads when I fire up Cubase.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Elektrobolt » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:12 pm

Pixie wrote:If people stop buying it, they will stop selling it.

For sure! Vote with your wallet. It's the only available way to truly vote in America!

Pixie wrote:No one ever made a living by giving things away for free. ;)

Free is a relative term.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Elektrobolt » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:16 pm

CubeDAW wrote:I don't want to see ads when I fire up Cubase.

Absolutely! Then it's time to go back to hardware instruments.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby ♫♪♫♪ » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:52 pm

CubeDAW wrote:
♫♪♫♪ wrote:
Pixie wrote:No one ever made a living by giving things away for free. ;)

Apart from the few most successful companies on the planet that is.....

I don't want to see ads when I fire up Cubase.

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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby suntower » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:57 pm

In -general- I have no problem with $50 for a '.5 upgrade'. My problem? I have no idea what the difference is between .5 and .0.

IOW: There is typically a taxonomy of '.0' --- major release. .0x... bug fixes, no features. But what, exactly is a '.5'?

My feeling about '7.5' is this: I think basically it is 7.0 -finished-. I liken it to building a hotel that's not completely finished. You let guests move in, but at a reduced rate because the rooms are OK, but the swimming pool ain't done. Then, when you get 'er done, you start charging full rates.

My grouse with 7.0 is that it was incomplete. MixConsole one way, Project another. I think that either the 7.0 upgrade should've been discounted to reflect the design incompleteness. I'm not talking about 'bugs'... I mean that the lack of design consistency has been a real drag for me and 7.5 is basically 'we finished our thought process... and then tacked on some content as a thank you for putting up with the dust during construction.'

It's not the $50 at all. And it's not that it's not a nice hotel. It's the fact that the building wasn't complete.

And my issue is that this has become SOP and people should complain LOUDLY. Do not release big upgrades like 7.0 unless they are -done-... executed consistently across the entire suite.

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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby curteye » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:27 pm

suntower wrote:It's the fact that the building wasn't complete.


IMHO
DAW 'hotels' are never complete.
They are always 'works in progress'.
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Re: Stop Charging for .5 Upgrades!

Postby Freddie H » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:00 am

SteveInChicago wrote:Track versions, multi-timbral VST tracks, Track visibility and all the rest. totally worth $50.



All the new functions and all what is include like MAGNETO II, it could easily cost $500 instead. ;)


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