Mac-osx to win7-64 bit migration

I’m sorry
I wanted to say that you have with the performance macmini?

zero performance issues. low cpu and asio usage…so very good experience in my case.

papi61 - my friend from your answers on this forum you seem to enjoy ripping into other people’s experience as if it is meaningless and wrong. I am not going to waste my time taking exception to what you wrote but you need to learn some respect. Some of us have been around a long time.

No question: Bang for the buck = Windows. Having said that, I am in the process of moving from Windows to Mac and I don’t regret the decision so far. :slight_smile: There are many reasons why I’m going to Mac, but adoption of platform is definitely a personal preference thing and your needs will be different than mine. The great thing is, that migration either way is not that difficult, so you can always move back if you dislike Windows.

For someone who is moving FROM Mac TO Windows, I strongly suggest that you do NOT build your own machine the first time around. I’d suggest going with a professional DAW builder. I can recommend ADK, who from personal experience, I can say really know what they are talking about. I’m not affiliated with them, but I have trusted them in the past and would trust them again to put together the type of computer you need and it will be tuned for DAW work. They know DAWs inside and out.

Also, as far as interfaces go, I’d also suggest you go with RME for their superior driver stability and performance. Unless you need some specific features they don’t offer, RME drivers have worked best for me over all other interface products (and I’ve owned and used quite a few). Lynx is a close second.

Good luck with your switch! You’ll definitely get more mileage out of a Windows machine for the same money. Personally, I’m quite happy going the other way – from Windows to Mac – and expect that when I need more CPU horsepower, I’ll just run VEPro and slave one of my remaining Windows machines. :slight_smile: I have yet to need it, although I have it for when the time comes. (I bought it a while back and used it on Windows.) The OSX workflow is better IMO, and most of my clients (including every filmmaker I work with) use Macs, so it was just a matter of time before I switched. But it’s very possible to make the jump, and Windows 7 is a totally stable platform for professional audio/music production, given the proper setup. So no worries there: Cubase has been and is fantastic on Windows. I now prefer C7.5 on Mac OSX, however, but it will work beautifully (and in fact will have even better low-latency performance) on a properly configured Windows DAW.

That was very politely put Graham. I’m sorry but I did take exception from this gentleman’s rudeness and will not be spending much time on this forum.
Also just for the record it is not only on this forum.

Ah yes, the age-old Mac vs PC debate returns and I’m glad.

It wasn’t until just recently that Apple even graced us with the knowledge that they’d be making pro-level Macs, again. Three years was a long time to wait.

I’m glad Apple hasn’t dropped the Mac Pro line.

I’m also grateful Cubase works on both platforms, many DAWs don’t.

I desperately needed to upgrade a dying 2006 Mac Pro right around mid 2011, but with the at the time overpriced 2010-era Apple hardware looking less sweet, I waited it out … painfully … until 2012 when I couldn’t wait and had to switch platforms, completely.

I was not pleased (understatement). This was a BIG change (it was more than just audio-related for me). It affected my business and personal life.

I felt betrayed. We creative professionals stood by Apple in its darkest hour. So where was this more-cash-than-a-government company now, once it had completed world domination; an iOS device in every hand?

Totally and completely missing in action. The Mac Pros, and the future of Apple-based professional content creators was to be a past era, or so it appeared.

Summer 2013: Well, well, well. Finally, I guess someone at Apple realized someone had to make all the fancy content to fill its iPads’ screens.

For me: Too little, too late.

I will never put myself in that situation again. For me, it will be cheap, easy to upgrade hardware, here-forth.

But, the fact we’re having the classic Mac vs PC debate does make me feel that somehow order in the universe has been restored.

Choices are good.

@Jalcide - I know many people who felt betrayed by Apple, and some of them ended up switching to Windows. After a while, some switched back to Macs. Some stuck with Windows, though. The last blow for some of them came with the introduction of Final Cut Pro X, which at the time was very upsetting to some of my filmmaker friends. But many of them stuck around with Apple, despite the grumbling and frustration. In the end, most of them stuck with Apple (or returned to Apple) and adapted, often dumping Final Cut and moving to Adobe… partly to hedge their bets so they could be OS agnostic in the future if needed. In fact, all my filmmaker clients are still on Macs, and amazingly, some of them have even stuck with Final Cut, despite the mess. Most of the studios I work with or know are still on Macs too. If anything, the Final Cut Pro X fiasco was a great wake-up call in a lot of ways… and it also showed me that people will adapt to the situations, but mostly stick with old patterns. The OS itself was generally not the primary issue… but rather the apps they needed to use for business. Business stability and day-to-day continuity trumps a lot of things… making a platform change is not “convenient” for most businesses to make, so they tend to stick through the tough times.

Frankly, if it weren’t for my clients, I’d still be on Windows. But just as one giant of the industry screws up (as Apple has done), so does another industry giant screw up … and Microsoft had to take a turn too. For me, that was Windows 8, which I can’t stand to use. Fortunately, Microsoft appears to be learning its lesson (slowly), and supposedly, more changes are coming to the next iteration of Windows beyond Windows 8.1.

What I’ve learned from all these recent developments (aka failures/mistakes), at least as it relates to DAWs, is that the real solution is not in picking the right OS platform per se, but rather in picking the right DAW software! Right now, I primarily use Pro Tools and Cubase (with a number of other DAW licenses as well, as needed), and they work great on both Windows and OSX platforms. So if anything, I can look at my OS platform as a secondary element… or rather as a “support framework” for my chosen DAW apps. So really, in one sense I’m also OS agnostic, since what really matters to me, above anything else, is the core DAW app.

Having said that, I have been making the transition to OSX from Windows, and I definitely prefer the workflow, and it fits my business, clients and projects better for now. But everyone will have their own unique needs that will influence them one way or another. What works for me may not work best for you, obviously.

As for being “betrayed” by one company or another, I’ve been around long enough that every single company I’ve worked with (or better said, purchased products from) for more than 7-10 years has “betrayed” me in one sense or another. Apple can get in line with the rest of them. I can tell you horror stories about Apple, Microsoft, Avid, Steinberg, etc., you name it. They’ve all done it at one time or another if they’ve been in business for a while. The key is using the tools that work best for your needs right now. Apple will no doubt “betray” some market segment again… as will Microsoft, Avid, etc… We sure hope that Steinberg WON’T do that again… they’ve been doing pretty well under the ownership of Yamaha… but you never know… management could change again, and we could be in a mess again. I don’t see that happening any time soon, but I try not to hold grudges too long against companies if they have a tool that helps me get my work done and make a living.

For now, my preference lies with OSX, but if Apple blows it, I can easily jump back to Windows if I have to – or use both with VEPro. If Windows works best for you – for whatever reason – go for it. I certainly will keep a couple of Windows machines around…

In any case, we truly live in an amazing time, where the tools we use are so incredible and powerful, we don’t really need to argue platform issues any more. It’s really just a simple preference. And while Windows will certainly win the bang-for-buck equation, I’ve found great performance so far from my Macs – I even bought my son one and he’s already doing more with it than he ever did with his Windows machine. It’s just a tool, though. If the tool helps get stuff done, doesn’t matter if it costs 25-30% more if he does 100% more stuff on it. As for me, I could have stuck with Windows, but I’m definitely enjoying the Mac platform… for now… :slight_smile: Main thing is, Cubase is great on both platforms. :slight_smile:

Thanks, Uarte. I appreciate the thoughtful response. I too, consider myself platform agnostic. I have a mixture of PCs, Macs and Linux. I have a four monitor spread (Apple Cinema Displays) and use Synergy to span my mouse and keyboard across them.

Yes, Windows 8, is definitely a work-in-progress. I find Metro nice in concept, but annoying in its current state.

But I think the unique distinction and strong-worded “betrayal” is fitting to Apple and Apple, alone. Because they did something unprecedented in the industry. They provided an end-to-end solution for creative and IT professionals, went out of their way to lock down that solution such that only their hardware could be used, and then proceeded to effectively pull the plug on the entire solution.

It wasn’t just the proprietary workstation-class hardware and its apps that “ended” without warning, it was their server-based solutions, and distributed network products that also ended without warning.

No business owner should be put in the position of having to invest in almost three year old hardware, that worse still, was at a premium price and under-performing from day one, and worse still, at that same premium price years later, and worst still, could have been a complete dead end – we didn’t know until Summer of 2013 that it was not the case!

Three years, in tech industry years, is a very, very long time. It’s tantamount to ending a platform.

It was not just a few months, it was years!

It was an outrageous position that Apple put many of us in. Few business owners in 2012 needing to grow by 10 or more workstation-class seats would have made a decision to not switch, lightly.

I’ll still buy Apple iOS devices and laptops (as bootcamp works very well), but won’t ever again invest in their workstation-class hardware, nor rely on any apps tied to that hardware.

That said, audio software wise, I still continue to hedge my bets in one small way: I won’t buy an audio plugin that’s PC-only. While it’s impossible for the PC hardware industry to “disappear” like Apple’s did, I still like the idea of having an Apple choice and safety net. For example, right now in fact, I have an old Mac Pro set up as a dedicated mastering chain.

Which btw, case-in-point: this perfectly fast enough hardware (a 2006 Mac Pro) will run the plugins I want for the chain (just), but because Apple has arbitrarily and artificially decided not to allow Mavericks to run on it (it does run if you hack around), I can’t install Slate Digital’s VBC because of a bug in the installer.

Should the VBC installer work on an OS three versions behind? Maybe.

But certainly Apple didn’t need to artificially prevent my Mac Pro from running the latest OS when it’s fully capable of doing so. In fact, part of the hack to get it to run (which I don’t have the inclination to try) is to edit a file that has the original “Mac Pro 1,1” identifier “blacklisted”! So frustrating, and very “Apple.”

@Jalcide - I hear you, and I have some friends that took Apple’s actions (or non-actions) as hard as you did following the Final Cut fiasco. But I respectfully disagree with you about the magnitude of the “betrayal” in this case.

I used to to be a Mac user – something I don’t discuss regularly on this or other forums since it’s been such a long time – and at that long-lost time of yet another Apple “betrayal” I said “never again” to Apple. Well, here I am, back on Macs and totally enjoying them… The problem is not that Apple stopped supporting “pro” users. They didn’t. The weren’t about to. The problem was that they were so secretive about their plans that they created a PR problem, that many people interpreted as a sign of waning support for pros.

Now, I won’t disagree that their support on the surface for pros has became ambiguous, but let’s take a look at a few facts:

  1. The Mac Pro line of 2009-2012 was and still is pretty dang powerful. If you picked up an 8-core during that time, your music and audio production needs are still being met for almost any type of project requirements, starting with Nehalem CPUs, which initiated the current generations of CPU awesomeness. Those machines run Mavericks beautifully, and run Cubase, Pro Tools, etc., just great. Unless you need to create massive orchestral templates, they will still be fine, in which case, you’re already looking at VEPro anyway. I’ve personally benchmarked my Mac Pro 8-core against my much more recent Windows 6-core machine, and it is roughly comparable performance (within about 20%) on average latencies. On low latencies, the Windows 6-core machine will of course smoke the Mac 8-core, but for my types of projects, the 8 core Mac is more than adequate and does surprisingly well at low latencies too with RME hardware/drivers. And I own a business, so I am particular about getting my money’s worth. Yes, true that bang for the buck = Windows. However, there’s plenty of bang still in the aging Mac Pro platform for most music/audio guys for extremely large projects, no problem, as long as you went 8-core or higher. And again… there’s VE Pro when more is needed. And BTW, there’s no need to buy the new 2013 Mac Pros, at least for now. I expect in an iteration or two, the prices will come down, and things will change yet again. There is plenty of life left in other Macs (older Mac Pros, or current Macbook Pros, high-end iMacs, etc.) for music production to have to go and drop $3000-$9000 on a new 2013 Mac Pro that is more aligned with the video production pros than audio pros at this point. Although, time will tell…

  2. Apple was never going to abandon the “Pro” market, although the definition of what “pro” actually means is becoming irrelevant, or at least very blurry with many users. In any case, they were not about to lose their elite cache. They just didn’t handle the PR well as they publicly moved heavily into the consumer market. Many people overreacted, including many of my friends, swearing “never again” and here most of them are, still using Macs. You and a few of my friends decided to stick with Windows, and I absolutely understand that reasoning… having done so myself several years ago… before I started switching back after a long absence. :slight_smile:

  3. Intel CPUs made a huge shift in 2009, and the iterations after that were mainly about power/performance ratio as opposed to just purely performance. So what we saw with CPU iterations was that a quad core of today could be slapped in a powerful laptop that competes with Xeon Mac Pros and Windows workstations of yesteryear. That also applies to iMacs and Mac Minis. The gap that emerged with the aging Mac Pro platform was indeed filled with top-of-the-line iMacs. As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as I hate the word “iMac,” some of my friends started buying these beautiful 27" iMacs and top-of-the-line Macbook Pros with nice current Core-i7 quad cores and could largely do what I could do on my custom Windows workstations. The CPU performance war has basically ended, in my view! There just isn’t a need for most composers/producers to get something more powerful than a current-gen quad core i7, a bucketload of RAM and a big SSD. The shift is almost complete, and most pro audio users can easily go that route and get all the power they need. For the fringe cases of people who actually do need more CPU power, there is VE Pro, which is already part of the workflow of many pros. Yes, the pendulum may shift once again for ever-more-greedy CPU-eating plugins, but for now, the CPU war is not that important, as long as you run a recent Core-i7. For those who want to get very technical, they can easily build a much more powerful Windows machine for less money. But we’re not talking a vast difference for business owners who look at 2-3year price structures and longer-term hardware investments.

So Apple’s slow response on the Mac Pro line really had several things impacting it… Apple’s insane secretiveness, poor PR to “pro” users, Intel’s shift of focus to power/performance CPU design, the fact that CPUs had basically caught up with pro audio needs somewhere in 2009-2010, and ultimately, a shift in the paradigm of computing anyway.

So in my view “betrayal” is too harsh a word. But I do understand the “sting” of it after so much time and money has been invested and people were left wondering what Apple’s real strategy was. This “betrayal” is really a communication problem intersecting with the crossroads of technology trends. Not nearly as dire, at least in retrospect, as many people proclaimed. And keep in mind such levels of “horror” stories can be told over and over again for Avid/Pro Tools users. Talk about platform, strategy, pricing and abandonment issues! :slight_smile: Trust me, I run Pro Tools here too, and rely on it for business. No one, not even Apple, can come close to the drama with Avid, in my view.

In any case, I definitely do agree with you on some points – the most important being that I also no longer buy products that are on one platform only! That’s a great strategy. All the main apps and plugins I use now are cross-platform. That covers that platform base.

But more importantly, I have finally decided that the term “never again” really can’t apply to the technology industries today. This industry – and the the sub-industry of pro audio companies – has so many pressures on it, so many changes that sweep through, so many unpredictable variables, that I’ll “never again” say “never again.” Apple has its share of problems, but so do the other players, and what matters most to me, personally, is just having the right tools to get the job done today. If I could, I’d run my whole studio on Linux and be done with Microsoft AND Apple. However, I tried that many times, and I keep fairly current on Linux developments, as well as run a couple of Linux servers, but it just doesn’t cut it for pro audio work when all the best plugins, DAW apps, etc., only run on Windows and Macs. What little does run well on Linux is just, frankly, not what my clients want… so I’m stuck with Windows or Macs. :frowning: Practicality and working with clients has trumped my higher ideals. :slight_smile:

Anyway, I appreciate your point of view. You need the right tools for your projects and peace of mind, and your current configuration works best for you. Best of luck with that, and may our paths cross again! Here’s to making great music with all these amazing tools! :slight_smile:

I’m not. It’s a total waste of time. There may have been a time when Macs were better suited than Windows PCs for A/V and graphics work. But that was a long, long, long time ago.

Both OS:es have their pros and cons. Arguing which is better is as futile as arguing about which is the most beautiful colour! It’s a personal thing.

The only truth is: Use the OS you feel most comfortable with.

Only be aware that switching OS takes quite a bit of time and effort, so make sure you take the plunge for the right reasons. Is the other OS really “better” or does the grass just look greener on the other side of the fence?

Well, well, well…I guess people will continue this futile argument a hundred years from now. Think about how much time will be wasted. Time that could’ve been put to much better use, making music.

Merry Christmas! :smiley:

Best Regards
Freddie

Yeah well each to their own.
I used windows since 1992ish right up until April this year.
I have parallels for Windows 8. Windows 8 is horrible. It’s disgusting
(I even have an XBOX One and if thats not crystal clear proof of microsoft completely dropping the ball I don’t know what is.)

Windows 7 is a lot better, but after using it for 3-4 years it was depressing.
I don’t miss all the problems with Windows and the constant threat of disaster , the fact you need to buy all these 3rd party programs to do simple things like capture desktop video etc etc.
I also think Cubase runs better on Mac, but that might just be me.
I love how I can turn on my CC121 or even my UR28m while in a cubase session and have it recognised. In Windows you have to restart Cubase. Little things like that…
Also the ability to do hybrid sound card devices is legendary, inputs from your interface and outputs of another interface…if you so please.

I honestly can’t think of any benefit Windows has over Mac.
Yeah…i like this green grass! :smiley:

Hi Freddie, as always, an enthusiastic statement (EDIT: referring to a controversial post which Freddie deleted), which I enjoyed reading. Naturally, I respectfully disagree with you on many of your points, but not for the obvious reasons.

  1. In 5-6 years, according to many predictions by people who know a lot more about it than you or I do, the personal computer as we currently know it will radically change – that applies to both Windows and Macs. A “desktop” operating system of today will be obsolete.

  2. However, even those experts can’t predict too well what the replacement of current personal computers will look like, although if current predictions hold, it may look something like a cross between an iPad, Kinect/PrimeSense device, Oculus Rift and/or Google Glass. Those same people predicting a radical shift in the industry also completely missed the iPad, Kinect, Oculus Rift and Google Glass! So who really has the answers? I suspect no one in this forum. :slight_smile:

  3. How DAWs will fit into that new paradigm is anyone’s guess this far out, but the overall PC picture will be very different than what we have today.

  4. #1, #2 and #3 are essentially irrelevant to people who need to make music right now, today, this minute, in 2013. Because your version of 2019 is a long, long, long way away… an eternity in tech land. Current DAW users need to use the best tools available today to help them get their projects done today.

  5. Both Windows and Mac platforms run Cubase beautifully today, and I can vouch for that personally. You can get great, professional hardware that run both platforms, so that is not an issue. The choice of platform is a personal preference issue now, no fanboyism is needed on either side… and the performance wars are over, Freddie. You may have missed the memo. A “typical” Windows machine and a “typical” Mac running the same software will produce the same results in the hands of the same person, and performance is no longer a primary issue. Sure, Windows will always win the bang-for-buck equation, and no one is going to argue that you can get a certain % more plugins running on the same cost of Windows machine, but so what? Even a cheap Mac Mini, as humble as some people might think it is, can work miracles in the right hands… including with Cubase. There is no need to bash either platform now.

  6. In 5-6 years not only will the entire personal computer landscape change, but so will the DAW software landscape change. I can guarantee that the only DAW developers left standing in 5-6 years will be the ones who are embracing the coming paradigm shifts. The ones that will come out on top will likely be making bold bets and taking some risky moves, and more importantly, they will be AGILE to the coming changes. That’s actually why I think Steinberg will still be standing… they’ve been doing well on mobile and now getting into gesture recognition. That’s where UI stuff is headed, according to many predictions, and they’re already allocating resources to experiment in those areas. Even if those areas don’t pan out, they have invested in and are aware of the coming technologies and trying to be agile. I hope they keep it up. Or Cubase will become the next Opcode Vision.

  7. Whatever happens in the future will involve a LOT of change for everyone, not just Mac users, so the best advice someone can give to users in the “here and now” is not to jump on or dump on Windows or Mac, etc… but rather to build a platform-independent workflow and make sure you have a solid strategy to archive older projects/content to a lowest-common-denominator (such as wav stems), so that in 5, 6, 10 years you can still access your projects to some degree or another.

  8. In the end, what matters most is the music you are making now. Who could have predicted the rapid rise and fall of recent tech trends? The same holds for music technology. But let’s not engage in platform bashing. We all use Cubase here, and we all know it’s an incredible DAW.

EDIT: This post was in response to Freddie’s post which he deleted.

Well said, it’s just plain childish and unprofessional.

I really appreciate the input from the other members who have chimed in here, very interesting perspectives on the age old Mac/Windows debate. Nice to know I’m not the only one in the industry who recently moved over to Mac!

I did not migrate or anything, but for the last couple of weeks Ive been torn between going either all Mac or all PC.
This debate showed me that such a radical decision might be uncalled for, it comes down to personal taste and preference and whats the best working environment for you - the goal is the same I think - creating epic songs :smiley:

However, you have to prefer one of these systems, currently I for example run my DAW on my custom built PC, recently updated to Windows 8.1, which I find fresh and nice. For other tasks I use my MacBook Pro (plus iPad and iPhone). I realised in order to do serious scoring work it is a good idea to have at least 2 computer setup, so I can’t really decide between waiting for new Mac Pro or building again killer PC machine (either way will use VEP5)…

Nevertheless, this debate is interesting as there are many opinions and many of them come from experienced users, but when you reading it, it all comes down to that particular story and reasons that led someone to change the platform or try sth new - that and how do you like to work, in which environment.

+1

Advice that applies to either platform, but mostly PC as there tends to be more OS-level optimization work (including removing background services, malware, etc.):

While you’re tweaking the PC to achieve its low-latency / performance holy grail, do yourself a favor and get an audio interface that enjoys a full 2048 buffer size. This will give you some wiggle room, when a mix gets demanding.

Not all audio interface drivers go that high, so you’ll have to do some digging. For example: Focusrite drivers do 2048; MOTU drivers max out at 1024.

For some of my mixdowns with lots of live buss effects, a 2048 setting allowed me to work without resorting to printing entire buss stems.

Also, on the Mac vs PC thing: while emotions, opinions and loyalties can run high, the discussion is interesting and useful to me (and surely others) who are open-minded about using both platforms – it’s sort of self-adjusting, that way.

I think this discussion thread, for future forum-searching posterity, deserves one key point of balance in Apple’s favor; from someone (me) who’s been advocating the PC choice for bang-for-buck reasons: I’ll admit that Apple is not charging more for the actual hardware components, themselves – just the opposite.

Spec’d out and assembled from scratch, one would have to spend a considerable amount more: Apple’s $9,599.00 configuration would be $14,309.89 if home-built as a PC! Pretty awesome of Apple to do this. Apple's new Mac Pro a better value than the sum of its parts | AppleInsider

One might even take this as a sign Apple’s willing to absorb some costs, in some areas, in an attempt to ensure the Mac Pro creative professional pipeline has a secure future. In a way, perhaps somewhat of an olive branch to those who stayed true to Apple during their Mac Pro hiatus. And, as a way to attract or win over those who didn’t.

I’ll confess, this knowledge does soften my view of “never again” with an Apple workstation-class purchase.

That said, I just can’t get past the raw physics advantage of upgrading a motherboard and CPU around other perfectly good, albeit older, parts.

For example, the benchmarks of my rack-mounted PC’s $300.00 CPU upgrade and its 14646 Geekbench score vs a new, cheapest configuration Mac Pro of 2999.00 and its 14207 Geekbench score, speaks for itself. This is the kind of bang-for-buck, painless, sustainable path I wanna be on.

But, for someone wanting to buy new hardware each time, for whatever reasons, holy smokes is the Mac Pro “cheap” for its parts. Apple has to be losing money on them.

The Mac Pros are a very good “new computer” value, for sure.

One comment that been bugging me the last day or so is when someone said Desktops are going away and that Macs will also go away.
This just isn’t true.
The way I see it is that us lot, the people who care about computers and the stuff they do, all bought a computer to do our thing at the beginning of this 10-20 year technology boom.
The casual web browser customer also bought a PC, just to get online and shop and connect with people when the internet came along.
Now the casual web browsing customer is quite rightly buying a tablet and whats left over is us, the hardcore.
Naturally the desktop market will deflate but there will ALWAYS be a need for a desktop class PC/Mac/Computer/Workstation/Studio/Rig.

In my view…People like are Apple are always going to be safe. I mean look at the specs of that Mac Pro.
PC hardware manufacturers are also safe and will continue.
People who farm out average cheap PC’s like HP (Hp still in business?) Samsung, Asus, Acer etc etc are going to take a huge hit in that particular market due to Jenny Jones deciding to email and do household accounts on her iPad Air.

It seems like you’re contradicting yourself. First you say that a $300 CPU upgrade gives you the same level of geekbench score as a brand new MacPro (and I’m sure it’s true), and then you say the latter is a “good value”? Seriously? $2,000 just to upgrade the RAM to 64gb. Good value? You’re joking, right? And, of course, you just can’t use third-party RAM. Like you can’t use a third-party GPU (and yes there are better models than what Apple offers) or even a third-party drive. If any other maker had put the current MacPro on the market, all the tech “journalists” would have chastised it as complete madness, because basically it’s an iPad, as you’d have to accept it as it is, without the possibility to change anything. This is something a professional can’t accept.

You can build a PC that trounces the $9,000 dustbin in every department for about $4,000.

After the Jalcide’s post I was waiting for your reply…
Did you read the article he linked? Apparently you didn’t. The article just says that if you try to assembly a PC with the same hardware as the top of the line Mac Pro you will end up spending the 50% more than what Apple charges you. Do you have arguments to prove they are wrong? I bet you don’t.

You just keep writing the same things…and most of them are wrong such as:

  • you just can’t use third-party RAM —> False
  • or even a third-party drive —> False
  • basically it’s an iPad (…) without the possibility to change anything —> False