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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby ipanema » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:10 pm

sycophant wrote:I had no idea Cubase' heritage was on a UNIX system!

The things you learn...


+1

Amazing, what can I say...since I have converted to Steinberg from C-LAB (Atari days) and Emagic till the last version before Apple took over. I'm mostly a Nuendo+NEK user, but I use Cubase in-between version upgrades, always greedy for new features. I really like this thread in that despite others complaining over issues they have, this thread is appreciating the relentless efforts Steinberg is making to not only stay on top, but also to offer us (professional or hobbyist) with the best they possibly can, sometimes even owning up to their shortcomings.

Great job, Steinberg.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby mbr » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:23 pm

hi

can you guys run 50 more tracks @ 88.2 without dropouts ?
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Jalcide » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:06 pm

The most stable Cubase I've had in years. I'm quite happy.

How stable is it? Really stable when you consider what it has to contend with.

Stable doesn't have to (and can never) mean "perfect." No DAW or any software is 100% free of bugs even when it controls 100% of the code. Cubase has to host all our beloved 3rd party plugins, from all parts of the globe, from all manner of software developers with their own level of expertise, skill and ways of coding. With multiple formats of those plugins, no less. In dual platform, no less. We won't even mention audio interfaces, drivers, or the OS and its layers, itself.

No technology service guarantees 100% up-time. Not even Tier 1 technology providers that get to enjoy multiple levels of redundancy, that a single computer does not.

Even the hardware is not 100% crash-free at a quantum physics level. Naturally occurring radiation and cosmic rays will statistically crash a computer with non error-correcting ram as much as once per month, per gigabyte (if left on).

For our modern computers, which many of us leave on for days at a time, with our non-server-grade, non-error-correcting memory (just about all of us here), this would translate into 32 times a month (for a system with 32 gigabytes), or about once a day, that we could statistically expect the computer to potentially crash, regardless of software ("potentially," because not all ram errors would result in a crash, but many do).

I've even had hardware sequencers lockup and require a power cycle.

A DAW would certainly be in a top ten list of the most sophisticated desktop software products created by humans. I put it at the top of that list, due to how many 3rd party programs it hosts and the real-time, latency-oriented nature of it.

So, yes, Cubase is pretty darn rock solid from where I sit. I'm in awe at how many plugins it juggles and how little it crashes.

iTunes crashes more than Cubase for me. Which gets funnier the more you think about it.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby jamusic » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:38 pm

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby G-string » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:40 pm

Jalcide wrote:The most stable Cubase I've had in years. I'm quite happy.

How stable is it? Really stable when you consider what it has to contend with.

Stable doesn't have to (and can never) mean "perfect." No DAW or any software is 100% free of bugs even when it controls 100% of the code. Cubase has to host all our beloved 3rd party plugins, from all parts of the globe, from all manner of software developers with their own level of expertise, skill and ways of coding. With multiple formats of those plugins, no less. In dual platform, no less. We won't even mention audio interfaces, drivers, or the OS and its layers, itself.

No technology service guarantees 100% up-time. Not even Tier 1 technology providers that get to enjoy multiple levels of redundancy, that a single computer does not.

Even the hardware is not 100% crash-free at a quantum physics level. Naturally occurring radiation and cosmic rays will statistically crash a computer with non error-correcting ram as much as once per month, per megabyte (if left on).

For our modern computers, which many of us leave on for days at a time, with our non-server-grade, non-error-correcting memory (just about all of us here), this would translate into 32 times a month, or about once a day, that we could statistically expect the computer to potentially crash, regardless of software ("potentially," because not all RAM errors would result in a crash, but many do).

I've even had hardware sequencers lockup and require a power cycle.

A DAW would certainly be in a top ten list of the most sophisticated desktop software products created by humans. I put it at the top of that list, due to how many 3rd party programs it hosts and the real-time, latency-oriented nature of it.

So, yes, Cubase is pretty darn rock solid from where I sit. I'm in awe at how many plugins it juggles and how little it crashes.

iTunes crashes more than Cubase for me. Which gets funnier the more you think about it.


spot on ;-)
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby mroekalea » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:39 pm

Well said, as an +25 years senior IT guy I can confirm this. Man I even had Microsoft product running services for thousands of users that crashed daily, I've worked with MPEiX/MPeV/VaxVms/OpenVMS/HP-ux/SCO-UX/AS400 etc etc and these conditions applied for ech and every one....
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby AP » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:34 am

+1 I just updated and no issues, all my 7.0.6 projects load up. Feels rock solid on osx 10.9. Happy to spend the money... From the installation process to the first feel with no issues...can't say enough good things about 7.5 they thought of everything. Amazing application :D I always had confidence in Steinberg and Yamaha. Thank you.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby tabulius » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:47 am

Are there any Virus Ti crashes in 7.5? I started having project loading crashes while using 7.0.6 and Virus Ti2. Went back to 7.0.5 and problems went away.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Fabio Bartolini » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:24 pm

tabulius wrote:Are there any Virus Ti crashes in 7.5? I started having project loading crashes while using 7.0.6 and Virus Ti2. Went back to 7.0.5 and problems went away.


Hello,

issues with the Ti are being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=196&t=48184&start=25

Access delivered a fix to the users contacting them.

Hope it helps.

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby mbr » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:38 am

tabulius wrote:Are there any Virus Ti crashes in 7.5? I started having project loading crashes while using 7.0.6 and Virus Ti2. Went back to 7.0.5 and problems went away.



Virus Ti stable here in 7.5 !
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Freddie H » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:34 pm

c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID!

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby sycophant » Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:14 pm

Freddie H wrote:c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID!

+1



So does that mean there is no need for a further update?
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Freddie H » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:38 pm

sycophant wrote:
Freddie H wrote:c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID!

+1



So does that mean there is no need for a further update?



No.

There are things that still doesn't work right like "plugins always on top" of mixer..
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby sycophant » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:18 pm

Freddie H wrote:
sycophant wrote:
Freddie H wrote:c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID!

+1



So does that mean there is no need for a further update?



No.

There are things that still doesn't work right like "plugins always on top" of mixer..


Any word on that?

(one of my pet annoyances, just like my other issue of Edit Active Part that no one seems to have a problem with).
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby curteye » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:31 pm

Freddie H wrote:There are things that still doesn't work right like "plugins always on top" of mixer..


I don't seem to have a prob with that scenario but options (to have or not to have) are always nice.

So a major yes to further development. (score/notation; but even that is better in C7.5)

C7.5 is IMHO a killer app! Smooth!...Solid!...Beautiful!...Pro!...Worth every $$.

Proud to be a user here.

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby sonofnothing » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:25 am

OP- I have to see this to believe it. Since upgrading to 7.5, I have have numerous crashes(upwards of 20), and a screen that goes completely white during cutting, or moving a piece of audio. AND, now my mono inputs from my Onyx 1640i aren't working(5, 7, 9) for no apparent reason. The Mackie monitors the inputs beautifully, but Cubase, set up the same exec way its been for 5 years, does not receive any signal from these channels(this started 3 days ago.)

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby ipanema » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:04 am

sonofnothing wrote:OP- I have to see this to believe it. Since upgrading to 7.5, I have have numerous crashes(upwards of 20), and a screen that goes completely white during cutting, or moving a piece of audio. AND, now my mono inputs from my Onyx 1640i aren't working(5, 7, 9) for no apparent reason. The Mackie monitors the inputs beautifully, but Cubase, set up the same exec way its been for 5 years, does not receive any signal from these channels(this started 3 days ago.)

I'm not a happy camper.


Not that I'm suggesting these to resolve your problem, but have you tried to dust off your gear during the past 5 years? If not, there's a lot to clean inside your Mac Pro. The GPU alone gathers a lot of dust, not to mention the mixer and its I/O cables. Was everything working fine before you upgraded to Mavericks? Have you upgraded from Cubase Artist 7 to full version Cubase 7.5 three days ago when things started to act up against you? Maybe some setup/preference thing isn't up to par for ultimate performance as these are two different programs. Have you checked everything? Just asking'…

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Wolfie2112 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:48 pm

I'd probabably try rolling back from Mavericks....I've heard the 2008 Mac Pro's are "borderline" when it comes to running it properly.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby smapmap » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:30 pm

So glad I moved to Cubase. Thank you Steinberg for great quality - really stable here.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby bugishcompany » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:59 pm

You are using halion, padshops, UAD and outboard gear...............................

Ofcourse this setup is going to run perfect.

Come back when you have 10 massives, 1xbattery 4, 5 alchemys, 5 sylenths, 5 gladiators, fabfilter plugins, Melda plugins, active sidechaining, more than 2 send effects, hell more than 2 plugins on every track + long sound design chains and you will see the other side soon enough.

And that other guy using Virtual Guitarist + BFD3...ROFL
Ofcourse the app is perfect for you nubs.
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Mauri » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:04 pm

bugishcompany wrote:You are using halion, padshops, UAD and outboard gear...............................

Ofcourse this setup is going to run perfect.

Come back when you have 10 massives, 1xbattery 4, 5 alchemys, 5 sylenths, 5 gladiators, fabfilter plugins, Melda plugins, active sidechaining, more than 2 send effects, hell more than 2 plugins on every track + long sound design chains and you will see the other side soon enough.

And that other guy using Virtual Guitarist + BFD3...ROFL
Ofcourse the app is perfect for you nubs.


ROLF indeed! It IS possible to bring ANY machine to it's knees you know :roll:!
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby G-string » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:30 pm

bugishcompany wrote:You are using halion, padshops, UAD and outboard gear...............................

Ofcourse this setup is going to run perfect.

Come back when you have 10 massives, 1xbattery 4, 5 alchemys, 5 sylenths, 5 gladiators, fabfilter plugins, Melda plugins, active sidechaining, more than 2 send effects, hell more than 2 plugins on every track + long sound design chains and you will see the other side soon enough.

And that other guy using Virtual Guitarist + BFD3...ROFL
Ofcourse the app is perfect for you nubs.


if you actually look at my OP troll you will see im running alchemy .

If you wish to overload your cubase with third party plugin's and the cry that's up to you but if you don't know how to work with the system you have and it renderers it useless then i would say it would be on par with the user then .


Since i made the OP , it still stands , not one crash and i can genuinely say that , im still loving the my flow and C7.5 is still ultra stable !
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby Mauri » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:05 pm

@G-string,

Just to be back on topic ;), C7.5 works very well here. I realise, in comparison to many others here, I don't use large numbers (4-7 Omni, Kontakt, Trilian, Massive etc.) of VSTis but do use a lot of hungry VSTeffects, including 2 or 3 instances of Nebula with rather heavy presets. UAD plugs are a huge help.

I've learned to work with my aging machine, and what's funny, I don't feel like I'm missing anything :).

One thing about aging machines (not me!), you get to know them really well, and that makes for a stable system. It's a shame upgrading seems to become necessary sooner or later.

But...different strokes for different folks,

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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby G-string » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:17 pm

Mauri
I completely agree with you , it's about knowing your machines capability and working with it ( im sure im going to get slated for this ) .
I personally use a moderate a mount of vsti's and plugin's and i couldn't wish for a better production system and as you say it's only experience of knowing what works well with your system that keeps the workflow going .
If i was to constantly keep pushing the system to the max then i would expect hickups and crashes and then i would think about redesigning my own system and workflow to suit .

It is a shame having to upgrade or update a machine you have got to know so well but thats tech for you .
To be honest i can't remember a more stable win based cubase , i stayed on sx3 until half way through C5 and then updated and wished i hadn't but now ............. This is truly an amasing bit of kit ;-)
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Re: c7.5 is absolutely ROCK SOLID

Postby sycophant » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:06 pm

Mauri wrote:@G-string,

Just to be back on topic ;), C7.5 works very well here. I realise, in comparison to many others here, I don't use large numbers (4-7 Omni, Kontakt, Trilian, Massive etc.) of VSTis but do use a lot of hungry VSTeffects, including 2 or 3 instances of Nebula with rather heavy presets. UAD plugs are a huge help.

I've learned to work with my aging machine, and what's funny, I don't feel like I'm missing anything :).

One thing about aging machines (not me!), you get to know them really well, and that makes for a stable system. It's a shame upgrading seems to become necessary sooner or later.

But...different strokes for different folks,

Mauri.


I started using an EFI based motherboard about 6 months ago, with a 4K sector drive and the benefits cannot be understated.

Secure fast booting and large file access with more efficient storage are but some of the benefits of upgrading to a new machine.

No point being a luddite when it comes to Cubase!
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