Most important feature ever. Ver8

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Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:45 pm

Don't do a thing. Take your time. Survey and delve into actual requirements from as many users as possible, especially those that are not voicing their opinion via this particular forum.

(Thousands register and yet the active posts are from the same ole same handful? )
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby CubeDAW » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:43 pm

Freeze parts, not just the entire VSTi as it is now and be able to move the parts and unfreeze the parts and be able to adjust non-destructive parameters such as mixer volume, sends and inserts on frozen parts.

But version 8 is already planned out. We should be asked for this in version 9 or 8.5.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:33 pm

Freeze - - WHY?? :geek:

The point I'm making...which I see has been missed... :roll:

1) Which type of user requires what?
2) All manners of "must-have" add-ons are in many cases, nice-too-haves.
3) Are we reducing the reliability and robustness of the core function? So many users and developers believed that, that they started their own company ;) [STUDIO 1 & BITWIG]

4) Of course some improvement is required, but for heaven's sake can the development be centered on small incremental improvements, whilst ensuring rock-solid overall performance on all OS versions.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby godparticle7 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:28 pm

Rock solid improvements have nothing to do with plugins. These DAWs allow anyone to plug-in all manner of third-party plugins from all manner of third-party manufacturers, so, i would rather Steinberg create the plugins themselves, that way we know they will not hinder stability. Are you saying we should not have more plugins? That's is silly, of course we need more plugins, that's what a DAW is these days, accommodating plugins is the primary objective, who can make world-class music without plugins?

The core functionality and stability should be considered, of course, but that has nothing to do with plugins, that is all about compatibility issues, OS issues, configuration issues, and BUGS!

Stability mandates go without saying, this does not require funds, this requires the company to take responsibility for their product, and coders who know what they're doing, but i and others should not be expected to pay for stability?

Toyota in America just got fined 1.4 billion dollars for the instability of their cars, the core stability of a DAW or CAR or whatever, is the manufacturers responsibility, that should be there from the get-go, but if you buy a stable car, for example, that does mean you can't have a custom stereo, heated seats, climate controlled air-conditioning, air-bags, traction control, power-steering etc etc

We want plugins, high-end plugins, authentic modelled compressors on-par with Slate digital, better softsynths that sound exactly like phat hard-hitting analog hardware like the Oberheim OBX and Prophet 5 and Moog.

We want mastering solutions built by Steinberg, all-in-one mastering solutions better than Izotope's Ozone 5, we want better sampled sound quality, we want built-in CD burning (like every other DAW!!) We want more EDM Pop music sounds, phat sampled synth sounds, not from softsynths, samples from REAL hardware!! Select quality synth hoovers, synth stabs, synth hooks, pulsating Trance-pads, and many EDM drumkits with huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS, clean 'thumping' EDM kick drums, tons of TR909 type Hi-Hats etc etc THIS IS WHAT WE NEED! PLUGINS AND SOUNDS GALORE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY! It's all about the 'quality'
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Scab Pickens » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:16 am

godparticle7 wrote:THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!


We?
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby BriHar » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:23 am

Scab Pickens wrote:
godparticle7 wrote:THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!

We?


I seem to have missed the election :?
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Rhino » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:07 am

So much agreed, C.LYDE101 !
And please make 6.5 the reference gold standard, weigh anything newer against the rock solid standard we had back then ...

I'm not speaking against most of C7's new features, mind you, but now is the time for focusing on the collateral damage (pun fully intended), thoroughly fixing bugs and tying up loose ends (workspaces, settings transfer, missing KCs) - get the foundation right, then we all will look forward to future innovation in C8.

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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby dr4kan » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:09 pm

Scab Pickens wrote:
godparticle7 wrote:THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!


We?


sure we, because who in the world does not need <<huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS>>? :shock:
No workflow or performance improvements. Give us those claps and we are done...
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Rhino » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:15 pm

dr4kan wrote:sure we, because who in the world does not need <<huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS>>? :shock:

Me.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby dr4kan » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:08 am

Rhino wrote:
dr4kan wrote:sure we, because who in the world does not need <<huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS>>? :shock:

Me.


humor is not your forte, isn't it? ;)
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Cubasesx2to5 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:12 pm

"who can make world class music without plugins?"... World class musicians.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby godparticle7 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:09 am

Show me one song of yours with no plugins whatsoever! Can't? Thought so. So why come in here and talk crap?


No workflow or performance improvements. Give us those claps and we are done...


Couldn't have put it better myself.

Has anyone heard Yamaha's latest workstation the MOXF? Take a listen to the 90% pure cheesiness in that thing, it sounds like a 1980's Casio keyboard. This is the sort of garbage they are giving us inside Halion Sonic. Very disappointing. I wish they would drop their pride and just go to the guys who specialize in sampling and give us the goods. :cry:
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby dr4kan » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:37 am

godparticle7 wrote:
No workflow or performance improvements. Give us those claps and we are done...


Couldn't have put it better myself.


It looks like nobody got the sarcasm in my post...naturally I totally disagree with your FR. <<huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS>>? probably one of the worst FR I have ever read here...
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:36 pm

godparticle7 wrote:We want plugins, high-end plugins, authentic modelled compressors on-par with Slate digital, better softsynths that sound exactly like phat hard-hitting analog hardware like the Oberheim OBX and Prophet 5 and Moog.

We want mastering solutions built by Steinberg, all-in-one mastering solutions better than Izotope's Ozone 5, we want better sampled sound quality, we want built-in CD burning (like every other DAW!!) We want more EDM Pop music sounds, phat sampled synth sounds, not from softsynths, samples from REAL hardware!! Select quality synth hoovers, synth stabs, synth hooks, pulsating Trance-pads, and many EDM drumkits with huge PHAT AS HELL CLAPS, clean 'thumping' EDM kick drums, tons of TR909 type Hi-Hats etc etc THIS IS WHAT WE NEED! PLUGINS AND SOUNDS GALORE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY! It's all about the 'quality'


No "we" do not.

Allow me to be blunt and direct on this point, especially for the newbies.

There are specialist software engineers that do an excellent job of creating wonderful plug-ins - support them. Stop this cheap-skate, everything for a $1 mentality.

On the extreme note - gp7, you come across as a bit of TROLL. :?:
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Cubasesx2to5 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:41 pm

I use the native plugins that come with cubase. They're not the most important thing that needs fixing at the moment. I think we have a good array of plugins included. I think one of the most important features is the retrospective record. To get that working with full audio would be difficult but more useful than yet another compressor.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby BriHar » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:06 pm

To be even more blunt and direct, stop refering to 'WE', you do not speak for everyone!
(Username notwithstanding, you are in fact not the center of the universe ;) )
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby BriHar » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:46 pm

Somebody get the straight jacket, I here him running around yelliing "Weeeeeeee! Weeeeeeee!"

:lol:
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Cut-a-Corner » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:10 pm

C.LYDE101 wrote:... especially those that are not voicing their opinion via this particular forum.


Are you talking about telephatic communication?
Or do you want to say that you completely disagree to all people who join the discussion here in this particular forum?
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Elektrobolt » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:39 am

godparticle7 wrote:i would rather Steinberg create the plugins themselves, that way we know they will not hinder stability.

If you noticed, they have rather increased their portfolio of plugins. Since some of the popular plugin manufacturers have elected to not support VST3, I think they already have a sort of plan (over time) of a more "complete" solution.

With the poor support from the plungers out there, for whatever reasons, one really cannot blame Steinberg.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:30 am

@cut-a-corner

Take a look at the no. of registered users ...
Subtract the number of regular commentators...
Then go to other DAW forums or social media platforms...
... You do the math. ...
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FYI... it should not be ignored that big DAW manufacturer Avid is downsizing certain aspects .e.g Virtual instruments (Wizoo) sold off. So what! - some may say... I say don't underestimate the engineering overhead in a DAW.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Cubasesx2to5 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:56 pm

Another thing I am interested in is a much much better score system. As steinberg has acquired the sibelus team, I look forward (with fingers crossed) to that integration. Current scoring in cubase is cumbersome and ugly.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby CubeDAW » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:07 am

I was told by Daniel Spreadbury that integration into Cubase is something they might be doing eventually but it isn't being planned currently. That means not in the near future. He was tactful when rating Cubase scoring in the video. Don't upset the boss. I would call it better than nothing. Sibelius seems like the best but it is lacking in a lot of areas. One thing I'm excited about in the new program is the improved midi importing. That is important for me. I think Cubase was actually the first scoring program so it should be number one. Most composers have never even heard of it. The new team was a good idea. Nice that they have autonomy and freedom too.
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:44 am

Cubasesx2to5 wrote:Another thing I am interested in is a much much better score system. As steinberg has acquired the sibelus team, I look forward (with fingers crossed) to that integration. Current scoring in cubase is cumbersome and ugly.


My thought on this... :idea:

1) Are aesthetics super wichtig...? (really important)
2) How many users actually care about the scoring facility?
3) How many users care about a detailed professional scoring facility?
4) Would more detailed scoring facilities be better handled in an external app/program, where issues and tech stuff can be dealt with separately from Cubase?

:idea: :ugeek:
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby C.LYDE101 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:55 am

CubeDAW wrote:I was told by Daniel Spreadbury that integration into Cubase is something they might be doing eventually but it isn't being planned currently.


Good

CubeDAW wrote:Sibelius seems like the best but it is lacking in a lot of areas.


Considering that it has one primary function - create score? Its not a DAW?

CubeDAW wrote:One thing I'm excited about in the new program is the improved midi importing. That is important for me.


Which one - Sibelius or Cubase or the program that Daniel is still developing?

CubeDAW wrote: I think Cubase was actually the first scoring program so it should be number one. Most composers have never even heard of it. The new team was a good idea. Nice that they have autonomy and freedom too.


If you mean DAW that happens to have scoring facility - possibly?

"Sibelius was originally developed by British twins Ben and Jonathan Finn for the Acorn Archimedes computer, under the name 'Sibelius 7'. Development (done on RISC OS entirely in assembly language) was started in 1986,.."

"In the mid-to-late 1980s, Gerhard Lengeling and Chris Adam developed a MIDI sequencer program for the Atari ST platform called Creator. When musical notation capabilities were added, this became Notator, and later Notator SL. For simplicity these three are collectively referred to as Notator..."

"Cubase Score for Windows...1993...Cubase Score is released for Windows offering Key, List, Logical, Drum, and, of course, score editing and printing facilities. A GM/GS Editor is also included..."
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Re: Most important feature ever. Ver8

Postby Cubasesx2to5 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:30 pm

I went down the cubase path 10 years ago after scoring with sibelus throughout high school and university. Cubase was so much faster to get the music onto the page albeit in piano-roll. I now find it difficult to go back to traditional scoring, even on paper... but recently I've had projects that are to be performed by real musicians and not just my samples. Converting my slap-dash piano roll into meaningful score for others to interpret is what i would like to see. I could just drop a Midi file into sibelus and it instantly looked beautiful, just needed the articulations and Italian added and bingo.. It was intelligent. Cubase however is so powerful and fast, but the score lacks any aesthetics and basic Midi to score looks terrible. It's horses for courses for most people but to have the power of both amazing applications in one would keep me subscribing for many years
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