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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby jamusic » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:42 am

matjones wrote:I just go and make a drink or have a quick vape for a few minutes and contemplate the earth going around the sun.......... and not me ;)

What??? The earth doesn't revolve around me or you or anyone else?

Doh!!!

How long hasn't that been happening?

[Actually, I knew it all along. :ugeek: ]

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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby jamusic » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:45 am

serenity wrote:
There IS a God. And I'm not Him.


Humble! I Love it.

The only acceptable way to be! :)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Buchanan » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:30 am

An observation on the real world. This is where, if something doesn't work you send it back, sell it or find another door to hold open. You don't tell anyone, especially a roomful of strangers. You just do it.
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elektrobolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:26 am

DaveAbbott wrote:Was chatting with a mate the other day and we came up with the principle of, "It's the person , not the platform" which seems somewhat appropriate here!!

Absolutely! Today, we do not have computers that are not robots with the capabilities of self-repair. Until we do, one has to concede to the fact that it is only a machine, albeit complex. This means a certain amount of common sense and attention has to be given in order to maximize the ability and availability to use it. In the same way, one also has to minimize the risks surrounding any particular machine. A computer has many of these, since it is versatile. The more involved (hardware, software, features, choices, settings, etc.), the more risk.

Like a motor vehicle, ;) if you do not take care, you will soon be seen moving around, pretending with your two legs and using your mouth as the (audio) engine. All the while, that one person seem to always pick a better car...
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elien » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:42 am

With all due respect: it doesn't.

As an attempt to contribute to the question behind your question: You might want to have a closer look at your personal creative process. "Flow" is something that Comes with attitude and an ability to relax when "technical" Problems occur. You may compare it to sexual intercourse: To make it pleasant you must not think of failure, even when you have issues from time to time. Otherwise you are getting into a vicious circle that drags you deeper and deeper into Problems.

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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby HarrySound » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:47 am

Backfire = this thread :lol:
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby mpayne0 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:13 pm

The least of my worries is waiting for plugins to load, because I'm usually getting the system started up before I'm ready to get busy, for some of my projects take good time to get thru the samples (Trilian, String Machine)

But man I can relate to the intrusion of technical faults (whatever they might be or by whomever's causing) that just get in the way of trying to quickoly express an artistic or musical (however you look at it) idea.

When I start getting a muse, I speed up, and I want to go fast, I need to be at the speed of my brain as it has a limited window for expressing a sudden gush of inspiration. This is the out-of body experience that I love, it is the resaon why I do it.

So while I may disagree with the OP, but for the way he frames his topic, sans using "Cubase", the overall message is that we don not really want anything to intrude or interrupt the process. That is very important to me. I don't get multiple chances and infinite time to get it out, and the second time around is often compromised, as you've just moved on to a whole 'nother section of the brain then, trying to replicate an original thought.
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Scab Pickens » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:25 pm

Elien wrote: ... You may compare it to sexual intercourse ...


mpayne0 wrote: ... I'm usually getting the system started up before I'm ready to get busy ...


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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby mpayne0 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:29 pm

:lol: ah that's a good Monday AM laugh
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby BriHar » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:54 pm

bjones wrote:...Back when we had nothing but analogue you would be firing up the entire studio and here we are whining about a software program taking a bit more time to boot up...

Actually back then you didn't "fire up" the whole studio, most of the critiacl elements, esp. the amps were constantly on standby or just simply ran 24/7.
So to come back to the OP, why not just let your DAW run 24/7? No boot time - nothin' ;)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby nonlocal » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:26 pm

So many smug answers, you guys are awesome.
mpayne seems to get what I'm saying.

Still don't think anyone managed to explain why it's OK for professional software to have all the issues I listed in my second post though......

"Clearly your system has problems" NO, Cubase is the only DAW that has major workflow issues for me, there are other issues with other DAWS, like sound, but Cubase is the only one that vexes me with technical problems when I am attempting to be creative, not logical or problem solving.

"Was chatting with a mate the other day and we came up with the principle of, "It's the person , not the platform" which seems somewhat appropriate here!!"
Yeah yeah, you and your mate are so smart, well done!
So, if it is the person, how come all the issues I listed would still exist, even if did not?

Steinberg fanbois and all round "lets be positive about EVERYTHING no matter what" robot hippies are par for the course, but seem especially prevalent in this thread.

Back to the issue at hand, rather than showing the world how much more awesome you are than me, can anyone simply explain why it is ok that Cubase has all the workflow problems I listed in my second post?
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby bjones306 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:17 pm

nonlocal wrote:It's opening older projects to find the windows all over the place and the mixer settings all wrong


Between workspaces and hotkeys for pulling up any window I might want, I guess I don't personally see an issue that's killing me here. Yes, improvements could be made, but I don't think it's been a deal breaker for the majority of us.


nonlocal wrote:It's having to constantly reassign inputs outputs and especially external plugin settings because no presets


Again, my presets for inputs and outputs seem to load fine. Not sure what your getting at, but might be related to your specific setup?


nonlocal wrote:It's putting up with "workarounds" instead of an elegant solution provided by the programmer


Non-specific and something you would have to do with any software package until any bug was fixed. But I know.... you don't see ANY problems or bugs in any of the other DAW's on the market...... go figure. :roll:


nonlocal wrote:it's the focus on new features and vstis instead of fixing basic simple stuff, like no bounce in place


You can't fix something that hasn't been implemented yet...... Although I do hope it's added, macro's get you 9/10 of the way there currently. And just because you didn't benefit from an improved VSTi or any of the new features you might be referring to doesn't mean someone else didn't.

nonlocal wrote:It's the MIXER being introduced and slowing down workflow by making single clicks into double clicks and pause-open


Totally subjective.... For myself, and according to what I have seen on the forums, for others as well, the new mixer was something that helped speed up the workflow. Could it be improved? Sure.... That's what updates are for.


nonlocal wrote:It's lots of little things that add up to slow me down and wear down my patience, and I have a lot, I was using Cubase in 1996!


Great.... Again, it's a personal opinion and if you feel that way then that's fine..... Why the need to continue to let us know about it??? Some of us completely disagree with your assessment of the software.

nonlocal wrote:But it's over now, I can't take any more, I have seen through Steinbergs game after all these years, they will never get it right because then no one will upgrade.

good luck to you if it's working well for you though, but I think you are viewing things through rose tinted glasses.
7.5 is slower than 5.5 and 6.5


Don't know why I bothered as this one pretty much says it all.... Yet you keep coming back to comment?!?!? Go figure :lol:

Your right, I am a fanboy of cubase. I personally love the software and have been an owner for decades. Why on earth would I feel bad about that decision. Do I have things I hope are fixed in the future? Of course....... And if for some reason I don't like the new version, I always have the older to fall back on. I have no regrets at all with cubase being my DAW of choice. Apparently, you have a different opinion. Why you continue to feel the need to tell us about it is a bit beyond me though. Unless your just looking for justification in your decision to move on?!?! In which case I would suggest a different forum. :D
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Buchanan » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:03 am

The POSITIVE side of this is that so many write to say that they are problem free which means that the OPs problems are actually SOLVABLE and once the root cause is known those problems are unlikely to evade attention by him when he sets up his next version or computer.
All we can hope for is that other users with similar problems will be encouraged to take a harder look at their hardware setup and fix any problems.
But I fear we're on a losing ticket with nonlocal.

If I was really that angry I wouldn't hide my griefing away here in this small corner of DAWland. It's just where an unscrupulous company would want one to be if one had this big a complaint. :roll:
We're not smug fanboys. We're only RIGHT. Which always offends. :mrgreen:
Do yourself a favour. Buy another DAW, don't bother telling us as we don't want to know. Just be happy.
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Jalcide » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:34 am

Yup, all DAWs have a ton of moving parts. It can be frustrating.

The shift from mostly hardware sequencers and external gear, to mostly in-the-box, traded firmware updates, hardware freezes, poor media quality and jams, sync issues and cabling nightmares, with plugin scanning, crashes and software version wack-a-mole.

80% of being a modern, DIY musician, unless you play glockenspiel in a make-believe Apple ad, is dealing with the sophistication of a recording studio. Always has been, always will be.

I feel your pain, but as someone who owns almost every DAW on Mac and PC (and beta tests for two of them), the grass is not greener, anywhere. Each has its pros and cons.

DAWs are rocket science -- literally. There is more DSP math in one circuit-modeled compressor plugin, than the entire computational processing required to get NASA to the moon and back.

But hey, look on the bright side: if producing music were easy, everyone would be doing it (and well).
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby BriHar » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:02 pm

The art and science of modern recording, looked at from a DIY perspective, requires one to wear an awful lot of hats! Some people just can't accept some some of these hats just don't fit!
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elien » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:22 pm

I am wondering whether J.S. Bach made comparable complaints about the terrible Quality of Keyboards at his times.

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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elien » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:23 pm

And... what we should never Forget: Many of us (me included) would not record at all at this Level without DAWs. It would be inaffordable, impossible, non existent.

Let us stay humble :)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby HughH » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:33 pm

Elien wrote:I am wondering whether J.S. Bach made comparable complaints about the terrible Quality of Keyboards at his times.

Cheers, Ernst


I think it was the damn pencil leads kept breaking . . .

Several hundred years and they STILL haven't fixed this bug!

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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby estrica2000 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:16 pm

i am sure he would get not that happy if the new piano was working worst then his last one ;)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby estrica2000 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:26 pm

Elien wrote:And... what we should never Forget: Many of us (me included) would not record at all at this Level without DAWs. It would be inaffordable, impossible, non existent.

Let us stay humble :)

Yes YES! God bless Steinberg
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elien » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:29 pm

Yes, and God bless the poor souls whose creativity is ruined by cubase :)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Elien » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:29 pm

Yes, and God bless the poor souls whose creativity is ruined by cubase :)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby estrica2000 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:34 pm

hehe ye! someone is missing! we must be fare! all should be blessed! God bless also all souls which updated to cubase 7.5, spent money, and not have the application working has it is sold! :)
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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby SteveInChicago » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:21 pm

I remember following a thread way back in 1738, on a forum moderated by Charles I, the Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, later the Prince of Wolfenbüttel. (Only Dukes or higher could moderate forums in those times, and replies were slow- the tablets were carried by messengers in wagon and on foot, and scrolling to the bottom of a long thread was the work of two men.

At this time Karl "Charlie" Steinberg was just starting out, and history is unclear on whether he had yet thought of using the mod wheel to change vibrato speed in real time, (there's no mod wheel on the Leipzig organ)

But I digress, already!

The thread was mainly between Johann S., and Anna M. Bach. iirc, Johann repeatedly requested that, when transcribing his improvisations (a job that would eventually be given to the Cubase von Hamburg Scriveners) could Anna please consistently draw the downward stems on the rearward side of the noteheads, and she kept saying that the stems were "by design" like that, but would think about changing the practice.

It did not happen. Almost 400 years later you can still look up Bach manuscripts and find plenty of "backwards" stems.

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Re: Why Does Cubase Ruin My Creativity Every Time?

Postby Patanjali » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:35 pm

bjones306 wrote:Unless your just looking for justification in your decision to move on?!?!

I call it the "I have to be angry to move out" syndrome.
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