7.5.20 Impressions...

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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby theRoyal1 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:36 am

fenderchris wrote:I think we all like software that looks like hardware to some extent - Does anybody not like the realism of the UAD plugin graphics?!
Exactly.. the realism of the plugins is amazing but that said, I just want stuff to work right first...the pretty pictures are secondary.

iBM wrote:I agree a 100% with Rotund.

I re-started my mixing career here:
viewtopic.php?f=198&t=58451
I was tempted to install it but honestly, I'm pretty happy w/C7 right now.

Also, I don't really see anyone "Bashing" Reaper



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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby claesbjo » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:39 am

fireinthefishtank wrote:
Rotund wrote:
The attached pic is old and Ive posted this a while ago. It was an attempt to see how the look could be changed so it has a bit more tactile feel and a cleaner work flow while still respecting the topology of the MC. It was really a product of curiosity. The pink meters are 80s inspired as I was working on stuff that was 80s sounding. :D I keep mine the default color.


I am not a professional graphic designer and did it just for myself. I'm sure there are even guys on this forum who'd kick ass if they gave it a go.

C'mon Steiny, give us some gloss.

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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Ian s » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:45 am

fireinthefishtank wrote:
Rotund wrote:....................
C'mon Steiny, give us some gloss.

.................
_F


I don't need gloss, but those dots are beginning to annoy me a lot. I thought I'd get used to them but they're just too faffy and close together. Proper controls please!

Back on topic, I'm loving 7.5 now!
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby JMCecil » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:35 pm

For me, the mixer is still a mess of great features that don't work for actual mixing. C6.5 is still a vastly superior mixing solution. Editing, recording, composing 7.5.x is great and getting better. But, for mixing ... YUK.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby leroo » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:45 pm

I got more crash on quit with 7.5.2. It seems to be related to the way cubase ask to save before quitting even if I've just saved the project. Now, it crash on quit instead of asking to save.

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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby theRoyal1 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:59 pm

leroo wrote:I got more crash on quit with 7.5.2. It seems to be related to the way cubase ask to save before quitting even if I've just saved the project. Now, it crash on quit instead of asking to save.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby iBM » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:59 pm

JMCecil wrote:For me, the mixer is still a mess of great features that don't work for actual mixing. C6.5 is still a vastly superior mixing solution. Editing, recording, composing 7.5.x is great and getting better. But, for mixing ... YUK.

My thoughts exactly. 100% agree :)

Now that I have spent about 5 hours on/with Reaper (first and foremost as a mixing solution), I wholeheartedly regret that I didn't look at Reaper 18 months ago. Seems like a great mixing environment. And a very flexible one.
Will happily investigate further after the Easter holidays.

See my other thread about re-starting my mixing career ;)
viewtopic.php?f=198&t=58451

I will of corse continue to use C6.5 and N5.5, as well as taking advantage of some of the great new features in C7.5. Track Versions in particular when recording multitracked Drumkits and other multimiced sources. For single miced sources like vocal etc, I still like Cubase's Lanes feature the best. But for mixing ... YUK.

The short-term mixing solution is still C6.5, but for mid- to long-term mixing solution I am looking inte Reaper, and PT and S1 (in which I have some experience).
The more Steinberg moves away from the "old" mixer, the more sense even the PT mixer makes.

Remember, I am only talking about the mixer and mixing stage here. For all other purposes Cubase and Nuendo are my nr 1 DAW. Frustrating to say the least, to see the mixer fall off the cliff like this.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Tp3 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:33 pm

I have to say that - to my eyes - this the first time Cubase' mixer invokes such emotions and contradicting responses.
EVER.

I just can't remember in all my years here that people talked so much about Cubase' mixer. for the better and for the worst (many love it and it seems that many more LOATH it. it shouldn't be like that. it is, after all, just a mixer).

Personally, I did try to love MixDebacle over the last year and a half. see if you can guess what are my feelings towards it... :mrgreen:

I have since come to understand that Sound on Sound's final words (in the "cons" sections) about Cubase' mixer fully realized themselves in reality :
* cons
Not all users will appreciate the aesthetic choices reflected in the new mixer's design.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Tp3 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:41 pm

JMCecil wrote:For me, the mixer is still a mess of great features that don't work for actual mixing

Yes, MESS is the correct word. it is not wise to try and cram so much info into tiny physical representation (our lcd's. be it 17" or 24" or 30". and SURELY not when our resolution is still HD and not 4K)
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby JMCecil » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:55 pm

The funny part is that the interface wastes more space, and provides FAR less information. I don't loath the "look". I loath the functionality. I want to look at the mixer and see the information.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby AP » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:27 pm

Tp3 wrote:I have to say that - to my eyes - this the first time Cubase' mixer invokes such emotions and contradicting responses.
EVER.

I just can't remember in all my years here that people talked so much about Cubase' mixer. for the better and for the worst (many love it and it seems that many more LOATH it. it shouldn't be like that. it is, after all, just a mixer).

Personally, I did try to love MixDebacle over the last year and a half. see if you can guess what are my feelings towards it... :mrgreen:

I have since come to understand that Sound on Sound's final words (in the "cons" sections) about Cubase' mixer fully realized themselves in reality :
* cons
Not all users will appreciate the aesthetic choices reflected in the new mixer's design.


Only a true Professional will appreciate Cubase 7.5 mixer :D
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Tp3 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:42 pm

AP wrote:Only a true Professional will appreciate Cubase 7.5 mixer :D

No, true Professional sequence on Pro Tools :lol:
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby AP » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:46 pm

Tp3 wrote:
AP wrote:Only a true Professional will appreciate Cubase 7.5 mixer :D

No, true Professional sequence on Pro Tools :lol:


Yes all my friends with SSL and Protools all admit that the midi in Protools sucks and that Cubase is where it's at :D
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby peakae » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:49 pm

Tp3 wrote:
AP wrote:Only a true Professional will appreciate Cubase 7.5 mixer :D

No, true Professional sequence on Pro Tools :lol:

No true Professional sequence with pro tools and use Cubase. ;-)
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby leroo » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:12 pm

Hi,

I revert back to 7.5.1 and everything seems fine now.
I think the crash on 7.5.2 is related to D16 Nepheton and/or Groove Agent SE 4

''EDIT'' : same with 7.5.1 :cry:

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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby smapmap » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:59 pm

theRoyal1 wrote:
fenderchris wrote:I think we all like software that looks like hardware to some extent - Does anybody not like the realism of the UAD plugin graphics?!
Exactly.. the realism of the plugins is amazing but that said, I just want stuff to work right first...the pretty pictures are secondary.

iBM wrote:I agree a 100% with Rotund.

I re-started my mixing career here:
viewtopic.php?f=198&t=58451
I was tempted to install it but honestly, I'm pretty happy w/C7 right now.

Also, I don't really see anyone "Bashing" Reaper



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I cant stand plugins which look like hardware lol. I love the izotope designs.

Really modern, functional and mouse friendly - and not locked into or constrained by hardware paradigms
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby HowlingUlf » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:37 pm

smapmap wrote:
I cant stand plugins which look like hardware lol. I love the izotope designs.

Really modern, functional and mouse friendly - and not locked into or constrained by hardware paradigms


+1

I'd maybe not go that far but, sometimes I cringe a little when someone a little too obviously has been bending over backwards trying to get some design look like hardware.

Sometimes it looks cool but it's time to move on as well and take full advantage of the dynamic nature of the screen.
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby serenity » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:34 am

I think MixConsole is clean look, when no plugins/sends are loaded. Then its going to mess. I wonder if Steinberg will hire talented graphic desigmer for mixer and windows system any soon. Maybe Cubase 8 ?
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Elektrobolt » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:29 am

HowlingUlf wrote:
smapmap wrote:I cant stand plugins which look like hardware lol. I love the izotope designs.

Really modern, functional and mouse friendly - and not locked into or constrained by hardware paradigms


+1

I'd maybe not go that far but, sometimes I cringe a little when someone a little too obviously has been bending over backwards trying to get some design look like hardware.

Sometimes it looks cool but it's time to move on as well and take full advantage of the dynamic nature of the screen.

I agree with you both.

Personally, I have no particular interest in "chrome". While I have an immense appreciation for art, I like practical tools, prefer ping over bling, and enjoy a straight uniform UI rather than some gooee fancy pants. (Enjoy that pun!)

Though *some* people do have a fantastic way with minimalist colors, lines and design. Those are the people that should be doing it. A technical buffoon (like me) could strike a bit of luck in such arenas, but like in a lottery, luck is about as useful as that UI I might have produced, the majority of times. ;)
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby AP » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:35 am

One of the biggest complaints on this topics is the mixer. It looks a lot like Logic, Protools and somewhat like S1. So all you trolls, if you don't like it tough luck :lol:
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby Tp3 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:03 am

IMO , MixDebacle is geared towards 4K.

Plain and simple.

It clearly shows in the proportions, the space occupied by controls, etc.

The things is : its WAY too soon.

AP wrote:So all you trolls, if you don't like it though luck

Thank you, Dear.

I'm here since VST5/SX1 days (under different Alias). what about you ?...

AP wrote:One of the biggest complaints on this topics is the mixer. It looks a lot like Logic, Protools and somewhat like S1

No, it doesn't.

But hey, I'm troll anyway :twisted:

:)
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby marcz59 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:25 am

this bug is not fixed, GGRRrrrrrr!!!
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby noiseboyuk » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:08 am

marcz59 wrote:this bug is not fixed, GGRRrrrrrr!!!
R-11003 "Instrument tracks: Copy-pasting MIDI data now works for instrument tracks on the Project page"


Ah, interesting.... I have a feature request for this as the wisdom of the crowd suggested it was that (as opposed to a bug). But now I see it was down as a bug after all.

I spent a while looking at this - for midi automation data (as opposed to midi part data) while midi-midi track works, and instrument-instrument track works, instrument-midi and vice versa doesn't work. Confused? Read more and +1 the feature request here:

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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby AP » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:45 pm

Tp3 wrote:IMO , MixDebacle is geared towards 4K.

Plain and simple.

It clearly shows in the proportions, the space occupied by controls, etc.

The things is : its WAY too soon.

AP wrote:So all you trolls, if you don't like it though luck

Thank you, Dear.

I'm here since VST5/SX1 days (under different Alias). what about you ?...

AP wrote:One of the biggest complaints on this topics is the mixer. It looks a lot like Logic, Protools and somewhat like S1

No, it doesn't.

But hey, I'm troll anyway :twisted:

:)


Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion Mr. Troll. It maybe way too soon for you but it's right on time for a lot of us. Good for you that you're here since... This is my only membership. I really don't have any issues with Cubase but I like to visit this forum because it can be very entertaining :lol: I'm an advanced Cubase user and Graduated Professional Audio Engineer. I work in pro studios SSL/Protools and at home with Cubase 7.5 my Daw of choice.

What about you?
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Re: 7.5.20 Impressions...

Postby lukasbrooklyn » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:10 pm

Tp3 wrote:IMO , MixDebacle is geared towards 4K.

Plain and simple.

It clearly shows in the proportions, the space occupied by controls, etc.

The things is : its WAY too soon.

AP wrote:So all you trolls, if you don't like it though luck

Thank you, Dear.

I'm here since VST5/SX1 days (under different Alias). what about you ?...

AP wrote:One of the biggest complaints on this topics is the mixer. It looks a lot like Logic, Protools and somewhat like S1

No, it doesn't.

But hey, I'm troll anyway :twisted:

:)


i don't know if it is (surely it must have been conceived before 4k?); whatever the case, it's definitely not ergonomical on my 2,560 x 1,440-pixel native resolution. the thing is, i need to be able to read the inserts. and to be able to do that, the channels need to be extended horizontally so much so that they eat up too much screen real estate, and not many chan's fit in the mixer that way. someone just didn't put enough thought into it.

that's just one ill-executed implementation, of dozens. wish i got a cent for every 'load preset' dialog that loaded when i wanted to bring up a plugin's gui instead.
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