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no midi sound

Postby MSH » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:39 am

Hi everyone,

I need your help please-
I have recently purchased the UR-44, which comes with the Cubase AI-7. I use Roland XP-50 as my keyboard and condenser of RODE. My computer is the new iMAC. All installation went well. I have 2 main problems-

First, I can see the signal of Midi on cubase but I don't hear sound, I don't find Roland XP-50 in the list of the device manager, so I picked up jv-1080 and Xp-10 as alternatives, but still no sound comes out (my keyboard is set to "local off" and it is on preferences mode. I do hear sound from my keyboard when I am using UR-44 without opening cubase when my keyboard is set to "Local On" and when it is on Patch mode. In the past I used to work with M-audio and everything was working properly.

Second, I hear the sound from my condenser only when I turn the monitor on on cubase - does it have to be like that? when I use the UR-44 without working with cubase I don't need any monitor in order to hear it.

Have a great day,

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Re: no midi sound

Postby Elektrobolt » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:02 am

On your MIDI Track (used with the XP-50), have you selected the output MIDI Port that is connected to your XP-50?

If there is no MIDI Device driver for the XP-50, there is no need to select anything. You can simply select the In/Out MIDI Ports on the MIDI Track itself. :)
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Re: no midi sound

Postby MSH » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:20 pm

thanks for your respond but I didn't quite understand -
There is no Midi device driver I found for my XP-50 so I didn't select any, and that's is why in the device setup I have chosen UR-44 as IN & OUT. on the midi track I can only select (IN - all midi inputs / UR-44, OUT - UR-44). I did try to add JV-1080 as my device because before It is compatible to the XP-50 and then it appears as an option for output but still no sound only signals...
Can you please be more specific? :)
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Re: no midi sound

Postby MSH » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:07 am

By the way, I do here sound from my keyboard when I add an instrument truck in cubase and choose Halion vst instrument.
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Re: no midi sound

Postby Elektrobolt » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:02 pm

The Cubase MIDI Device is only used as a sort of configuration tool for enhancing the operation of a MIDI device.

For the input, you can select "All MIDI Inputs" or UR-44 (the "All..." includes the UR-44 MIDI In) and for the output you would choose UR-44. This is of course contingent on you having your XP-50 connected to the MIDI In/Out of the UR-44. :)

This now enables you to transmit a MIDI message from your XP-50 to the UR-44 to Cubase, and you can also now send MIDI message from Cubase to the UR-44 to the XP-50. If you have a MIDI Track for this purpose, you now need to use the Local Off functionality on the XP-50. Local On is for when no router (e.g. Cubase) is used/needed to control the MIDI messages.

You can now create one or more Instrument Tracks that you would set to UR-44 for MIDI In and of course the output routing on such tracks would be the VST instrument itself.

If an Instrument Track works, but a MIDI Track does not seem to play anything on the XP-50, you very likely have to configure the MIDI Channels on that track AND XP-50. I do no know how much you understand about MIDI, but MIDI Channels effectively divides the MIDI Port/cable into 16 virtual mini cables. :)

So whichever MIDI Channel you select in Cubase, the XP-50 has to be listening on, in order for it to properly react to MIDI messages.

Even though the MIDI Ports come in pairs (In/Out) you need to consider them as separate pipes. This is because one cable is not bi-directional, like say a USB cable.

So again, what you send from your XP-50, is transmitted to Cubase, and it in turn re-routes the messages depending on what is selected and how tracks and other items are configured inside of Cubase.
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Re: no midi sound

Postby MSH » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:22 pm

thanks again for your help - the problem is that I did exactly what you wrote, and I still have this problem - no sound - only signals...

thanks anyway - I really appreciate you trying to help..!
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Re: no midi sound

Postby Elektrobolt » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:31 am

Is there an indication led (light) on the XP-50 that shows if it is receiving MIDI data? (Often there is a little round or square led light somewhere on the synthesizer/sampler.)
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Re: no midi sound

Postby MSH » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:35 am

no indication led (light) in my XP-50 - but never before I saw an indication on the XP-50 - only in cubase. Before I used to play with my M-Audio card which was connected in the same routing as now and it was working perfectly.
I can play VST instrument such as Halion from my XP-50 which is included in the Cubase AI-7 but I can't use my XP-50 separately and to get the sounds from my XP-50.
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Re: no midi sound

Postby MSH » Thu May 01, 2014 5:49 am

only now I have solved the problem with the help of the store I have purchased the UR-44 from -

the problem was that I should have plug my keyboard to the UR-44 into inputs 1/2 on the front of the UR-44 instead of inputs 3,4, which I used for my Condenser + in order to have sound from playing from my keyboard it is necessary to open on cubase not only a midi track but also an audio track which must be on monitor enable. It is very strange - before I used M-audio (sound card) and cubase SX and I didn't have to open an audio track in order to have sound - only midi track and it was working. Anyway, I am happy the problem was solved finally...
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