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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:37 pm

It is almost like there is a lock on the ini file and it cannot be written to while Cubase is open. I too find it very strange as I have never seen that happen before. Hump!

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:12 pm

This from Addictive sounds great :-

http://www.xlnaudio.com/addictivedrums/

esp. the Jazz and Funk packages.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:48 pm

Drums sound nice. AD has what looks to be a nice, full function, non time bomb demo complete with one library. Probably well worth the download. You have to make an account to get it.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:53 pm

I would need to watch some tutorial demo's online first before deciding on whether to trial it. I am sure there will be lots of You Tube uploads on AD. I can more or less make up my mind if its worth running a trial from watching demonstration videos. The first criteria of NOT TOO COMPLICATED is a useful mental filtering process I use ! :ugeek:
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Paul,
That sounds like a plan that would work. I think you are right, probably a ton of videos on AD, for sure. But is nice they have a good demo policy. That is why I was kind of ticked off at the folks who make Jamstix for having such a crippled demo.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:30 am

Addictive is excellent but it has way too much on or me to get to grips with :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0HYj21u30

I am liking EZ out of everything so far.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:46 am

Paul,
Did you ever figure out if Toontrack has a demo of EZ Drummer 2 or not?

The one nice thing about EZ is that there are a ton of expansion packs for it. I actually would have bought EZ back when I got Superior but EZ was 32 bit only at the time and Superior overcame that with native 64 bit plugs. Another nice thing about Toontrack is NO DONGLE! I hate them. They break, are easy to loose and a general pain in the butt.

I also noticed with Addictive Drums that the program is free. You figure out what samples pack you want and each sample pack has a copy of AD in it. That is different.

So are you thinking of going with EZ2 or waiting (God knows how long - Would not trust Steiny support on it either) for GA4 to come out? Until Steiny puts out an official announcement I would not count on them bringing the goods to market. Maybe they will this year, but just as likely is the fact they may not.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:05 am

Been doing some testing with Jamstix and Superior Drummer on the amount of VST resources they consume. I get SD going full tilt and it takes maybe 10% of the peak VST resources. Jamstix on the other hand runs at about 40% with peaks on complex drum hits up to pegging the meter at 100%. Realize this is with a lot of things done to it as suggested by Voodoo. I want to thank Voodoo for his help! But the fact remains that Jamstix is resource intensive and in MHO needs some work in this area big time. I like it for the ability to create human like drum tracks and being able to vary them. Also for using it as a trigger for other drum programs. But in it's present form, at least on my system it is limited in usage. I have posted on their forum a question asking if 3.6 will address this situation. So far no replies. So it is a wait and see deal. Another thing, they DO NOT allow you to go back and download older versions, which from reading their forum, they seem to indicate that some versions were ok in this regard. So no help in that department. Good thing it is not a $300 app or I would be a bit more PO at them. As of this point I am taking a middle of the road approach and perhaps with more experience I will be able to use it more.

Another thing I realized about Cubase is that you can turn off all things related to a plug in the inspector and it still draws VST resources. That is not good, but maybe I am not doing that correctly. If anyone has a way to disengage plugs so that VST resources are not consumed I am all ears.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Voodoo » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Thats really strange.
Pls, load jamstix in an empty project and hit "create song" (wizzard) straight away and then play the song. My vsti-performance stays between 10%-20%, realtime peaks around 40%. And that, while jamstix is playing 105voices max. Seems to be ok.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:19 pm

Yes I actually did that yesterday or last night and it did help to have a new fresh project. Now did you in your "test", have Jamstix triggering another drum machine VST? I also wonder about the specs of your system? Though my system is pretty robust it has one weakness and that is video. The suggestion to close the GUI of Jamstix helped some too. So I wonder about your video card. But something is up as you are getting far better real time results than I am. I know my video card is capable of driving 4 displays. But overall it is kind of a low end card. I would have already upgraded the card but am kind of stuck as the video card slot is only a PCI Express 2.0 x16 and most of the better cards today use a PCI Express 3.0 x16 slot. Still I may have to do something about video to get it all to settle down? I see you run a later generation processor as I am running an i7 930 at 3 GHz.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:44 pm

Lbro44 wrote:The one nice thing about EZ is that there are a ton of expansion packs for it. I actually would have bought EZ back when I got Superior but EZ was 32 bit only at the time and Superior overcame that with native 64 bit plugs. Another nice thing about Toontrack is NO DONGLE! I hate them. They break, are easy to loose and a general pain in the butt.

Yes, they you have a very good selection of expansion packs on offer for many genres of music. Dongles are a pain in the butt. I am on my 3rd one for my Steinberg eLicensor !


Lbro44 wrote:So are you thinking of going with EZ2 or waiting (God knows how long - Would not trust Steiny support on it either) for GA4 to come out? Until Steiny puts out an official announcement I would not count on them bringing the goods to market. Maybe they will this year, but just as likely is the fact they may not.

I am happy to wait til at least the end of the summer. By then I should be quite fluent with GA3 if I continue as I am doing. But if I don't go with GA4 it will most like be EZ I can be almost certain.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:26 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:Yes, they you have a very good selection of expansion packs on offer for many genres of music. Dongles are a pain in the butt. I am on my 3rd one for my Steinberg eLicensor !


monsterjazzlicks wrote:I am happy to wait til at least the end of the summer. By then I should be quite fluent with GA3 if I continue as I am doing. But if I don't go with GA4 it will most like be EZ I can be almost certain.


Wow, 3 dongles for Cubase is a big deal as they do not give out the keys very easy from what I understand. Well you have a plan it sounds like and it sound very logical to me. I would think Steiny should post an update on the anticipated GA4 rollout date here pretty soon. Otherwise they stand to lose sales to people such as yourself who are in the market now for a new drum VST package. There is a lot of competition out there in the marketplace for such things.

Did you get a chance to look over my emails on what I sent you last night?

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:48 pm

Lbro44 wrote:I would think Steiny should post an update on the anticipated GA4 rollout date here pretty soon. Otherwise they stand to lose sales to people such as yourself who are in the market now for a new drum VST package. There is a lot of competition out there in the marketplace for such things.

Did you get a chance to look over my emails on what I sent you last night?

I am not sure how long GA4 has been in the making but as you know, GA3 was released 7 x years ago and that's quite some gap. I bet they have lost customers along the way from around the 2011 period when these monster GB VST drum packages started emerging. If there was no word of GA4 being released this year then I would be buying EZ for quite sure.

I am not at home at the moment (on my sisters PC) so I will be having another play on GA3 later tonight, cheers.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby bluzkat » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:38 am

I went through this thread and don't believe you haven't checked out Fxpansion's BFD 3! If you are still checking out demos... check out BFD 3, see here:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=205&tab=494.

Personally, I feel this is the 'king' of drum VSTs (and I have tried most of the one's discussed previously in this thread).

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby Lbro44 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:34 pm

Welcome Bluzkat,

Looks interesting and sounds good to me, though BFD3 is the most expensive of what we have talked about here. I guess that is relative though as it appears it comes with a huge sample library of around 160 GB. I know with Superior I have more in it than that with expansion packs and still do not come up to that total.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:22 pm

bluzkat wrote:I went through this thread and don't believe you haven't checked out Fxpansion's BFD 3! If you are still checking out demos... check out BFD 3

Thanks very much indeed Bluzkat. I will certainly take a look...
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby bluzkat » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:06 pm

Another thing you may want to check out in your search for drum VSTs are the midi files available through Groove Monkee. They have a wide variety of styles available and these are available formatted for the different drum programs. These are great for building up songs, especially if you aren't a drummer. :mrgreen:

See here: http://www.groovemonkee.com/.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:10 pm

bluzkat wrote:Another thing you may want to check out in your search for drum VSTs are the midi files available through Groove Monkee. They have a wide variety of styles available and these are available formatted for the different drum programs.

Thanks man.

So all you do is purchase the Midi Loop Pack (for whatever genre you wish) and then use it to trigger (the samples in) which ever Drum VSTi you own (as long as the make is in the accepted Format list on the Monkee website)? You don't get any SAMPLES, just the Midi data. Is that basically correct please?

I see it works with EZD2 but I wondered if it might work with GA4 (when it is released)?

Formats: Ableton, Addictive Drums, Abbey Road, BFD, Eco, EZdrummer, GM, Superior 2, Session Drummer, Steven Slate, Studio Drummer and many more!

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby bluzkat » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:27 pm

Correct, they are just MIDI, no samples. Not sure about GA4.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:11 am

A guy on You Tube made me a quick demo of individual drum samples of EZD2 :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRRBSvJ ... redirect=1
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby shadowfax » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:53 pm

I know I'm coming in on this thread a bit late but..Jamstix is awesome..it's just like having a real drummer in your studio, you can tell it to recompose a fill or a verse..it's infinitely adjustable and the support from Ralph is 2nd to none...bit of a learning curve though as someone else mentioned..but worth it..

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:23 pm

Hi Kev,

Thanks a lot mate. Really appreciate you chipping in.

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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby SYNC » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:29 am

I have, and have used several popular drum VSTi's...many already mentioned. My favorite is Toontrack EZDrummer & Superior Drummer, so many midi drum files to choose from, so many kits to choose from. It just makes sense to me, and is easy to use.

Others are good too though.
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby shadowfax » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:38 am

the difference with Jamstix is you do not need to look around for any midi drum files if you don't want to..just select a song style and it'll play and put fills where they are supposed to be..if you don't like the fills you can tell it to recompose as a different drummer or whatever..it will even play another drum vst such as EZ so you can just use the Jamstix brain and the EZ drums (which sound great)..
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Re: Suitable Drum VSTi Player (help?)

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:05 pm

SYNC,

SYNC wrote:I have, and have used several popular drum VSTi's...many already mentioned. My favorite is Toontrack EZDrummer & Superior Drummer, so many midi drum files to choose from, so many kits to choose from. It just makes sense to me, and is easy to use.

Thanks very much indeed for the extra info ! So all the Midi-Files you chose from are included?

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