The UAD myth?

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Majic » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:24 pm

think about you monitoring options.

if your unable to hear the subtle nuances or improvement in sound....consider that the frequency response or signal path in you studio/home studio may not be 100% complimentary..

never tried UAD, generally use hardware reverbs and a few stock cubase bits.

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby shadowfax » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:05 pm

Hi majic, I think it's more likely that the effect is far too subtle for me and I can't really see that the small "improvement" is worth the money.. :)

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby beatpete » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:57 pm

I think it's more like the Vintage Verb just sounds as hood as any Lex reverb.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Heiner Einbier » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:14 pm

Yeah, I hear you, Bro'. Been a UAD user for years, and been satisfied for quite some of those, but it's definitely had it's day. I went full native with my newest system and haven't looked back. So, sorry to say, I won't be buying your Solo... :-)
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby shadowfax » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:45 am

Heiner Einbier wrote:Yeah, I hear you, Bro'. Been a UAD user for years, and been satisfied for quite some of those, but it's definitely had it's day. I went full native with my newest system and haven't looked back. So, sorry to say, I won't be buying your Solo... :-)



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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Jrace » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:59 pm

All depends on the plugins tbh, I've demoed some that are pretty weak and am surprised they still offer them. Some are absolutely great though, you just have to take the time to separate the good from the bad
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby mpayne0 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:01 pm

I have always loved my UAD plugins, just bought the Moog. That is probably one of the best plugins I've ever heard.

However, I demoed the Lexicon, demo ran out... I threw on REVelation, and was VERY pleased, moreso pleased with the results from the Cubase Reverb for the source it was on. (HHs and tambs/shakers)
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby OnkelGrusom » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:02 pm

I've never used UAD plugins.

I have never seen the need for it when you have native plugins as good as these at a very fair price:
http://www.pspaudioware.com/

The vintagewarmer, oldtimer and buspressor are absolute beauties both in sound AND design :)

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby SYNC » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:56 pm

One reason why I'll never buy into UAD is for the price, you can use an entire 2nd computer to offload all your plug-ins, VST's & FX's. Otherwise a good concept.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby TheNavigator » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:07 pm

I was considering the UAD for a while, mainly because of the FATSO, but after I have read an article about the "Voice of ***"-plugin I changed my mind.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby G-string » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:43 pm

Shadowfox you were opening a can of worms here .
I own a duo card and quite a few plugin's , ive never bought any of the plugin's at full price , there are two major sales a year so i wait for them . If i had to buy them at full price then it would be a no go . Some sound good and a lot of them are just ok , the only real advantage you have is that they don't eat up your cpu .
I'm not buying any more i get fed up with the arguments of software companies blaming each other when something doesn't work .
You are right thou some of them don't sound any different to any other native plugin
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby shadowfax » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:35 am

Open sensible discussion is always a good thing :)
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby sycophant » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:17 am

UAD signal processing (dynamics) makes for more solid mixes and can help stabilise the DAW in terms of CPU spiking.

This is my experience and frankly I'd not be without it.

I have SonicCore as well but the pain of realtime rendering is not where I wish spend my time so while improvements in dynamic range are afforded against conventional ITB mixing, I also have the added benefit of controlling dynamics within the DAW environment.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Sherz » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:31 am

shadowfax wrote:I'm afraid compressors are far to subtle for me, I can not hear the difference between one or the other, I have several and I fear they are wasted on me and frankly I would happily challenge anyone to spot the difference in a mix with a blindfold on..( blindfold on the person, not the mix :D )I recently challenged a good friend who is far more technical than me who refused to take me up on it..I wonder why?

best to you, Kevin


Totally with you on this Kevin. I struggle to hear much, if any difference between compressors and EQ's etc etc... and if I can hear a difference it's usually right on the edge of perception - and certainly when it's immersed in a complex mix featuring numerous other plugins it very quickly becomes irrelevant. It may be that some are just blessed with superior hearing but I also think it's true that many perceive or imagine an improvement that is directly proportional to the amount of cash they just parted with (psychoacoustics). :lol:

Not directly related Kevin, but you or anyone else may be interested... take a look at this interesting ranty 'scam bust' on the UAD "Voice of God" (VOG) plugin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7vn_aVTq4

And yet you'll find glowing reviews elsewhere.

There's plenty of marketing hype and 'Emporer's New Clothes' in the audio world - both around hardware and plugins. I for one use the stock Cubase plugins almost exclusively. They're perfectly fine and do a perfectly adequate job IMO... and you've already paid for them! I rather suspect the improved mixes many seek will more likely come as a result of improving skill set rather than throwing money at some piece of hardware or plugin.

8-)

And that challenge you proposed to your friend... the blind test. Many years ago I recall reading articles about 'golden-eared' audiophiles either refusing to participate in such double-blind tests OR if they did, completely failing to identify the gear in question or observing (hearing) differences between the gear.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby sycophant » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:05 am

What engineers do you know who wear blindfolds while working?
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Raphie » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:39 am

UAD is a myth
1 - it offers NOTHING above native soundwise
2 - It has al sonic imprints plugins have in general compared to analog hardware (sound artificial, phased, hollow, plastic etc)
3- On top of that UAD is limited to the amount of instances that can be run on their cards (you pay for an MP plugin and then you need to buy like 4 octo's if you want to use it like you would use native
4- UAD introduces latency because of the processing turnaroundtime of the PCIe bus, compared to native.

So yes, personally I think UAD is fully obsolete and one would be better of investing in a fast Win8 native platform and buy some native GEMs like Valhalla or if you into ITB compresson VBC
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby shadowfax » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:38 am

There's plenty of marketing hype and 'Emporer's New Clothes' in the audio world - both around hardware and plugins. I for one use the stock Cubase plugins almost exclusively. quote from sherz's post


Considering the quality of Ian's stuff I reckon this tells us all that we don't need expensive plugins..wish I'd known this a few years ago :x
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby shadowfax » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:40 am

beatpete wrote:I think it's more like the Vintage Verb just sounds as hood as any Lex reverb.


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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Mauri » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:27 am

shadowfax wrote:
beatpete wrote:I think it's more like the Vintage Verb just sounds as hood as any Lex reverb.


+1


But not as goos as Nebula libraries such as AlexB's 'EAR' reverb presets. The same with EQs, such as 'MAMMOTH' Massive Passive presets library.
There is a somewhat of a daunting learning curve in leaning how to use Nebula but the results are very pleasing.

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Raphie » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:44 am

convultion sucks :mrgreen:
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby 4damind » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:49 am

There was such a "myth" in the past.. If I bought my first UAD in 2004 it was a big improvement compared to the other native plug-ins. Today the difference is not so big, there are some UAD plug-ins without a competitor and some can be easy replaced with native plug-ins.
Today I would not buy a UAD because of some "myth" but for some good plug-ins (and I would buy a UAD again because some UAD stuff is still great).

And convolution is IMO not the best way. I bought the Nebula Pro stuff and it was too much hassle to use them and the results are not so much better compared to good emulations. I would every time prefer a good emulation (eg. from the UAD) over a convolution based plug-in.
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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby OnkelGrusom » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:23 pm

UAD had it's time back before most of us had I7's clocked at 3.9 gigs and above.

Ok, so some of the ua plugs might sound sweet...
Do you think that is because the obsolete chips on the pci card or do you think it is about the coding of the plugin?

There are nothing left today with the pc's most of us are operating now that warrants a uad card or even a pro tools hd thingy.

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby OnkelGrusom » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:30 pm

Since I am a working musician I "can" accept something that gives me some samples of added latency when I record.
But I do not like it. And why accept it when you have PsP and Waves?

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby alexis » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:02 am

Raphie wrote:...
4- UAD introduces latency because of the processing turnaroundtime of the PCIe bus, compared to native.
...


Wow, I never thought of that, but it makes sense when you put it that way.

I'm wondering why I never noticed any phasiness, maybe I will now that I'm looking for it?

OR ... is the latency of a few samples irrelevant because the signal is being processed more than delayed ... and so it's different enough from the source that there aren't any dysphonic interactions (wave cancellations/additions)?

Newbie thoughts, I know, but could someone shed some insight please?

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Re: The UAD myth?

Postby Raphie » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:58 am

The latency is compensated so phasing will not be introduced but the roundtrip will prevent low buffer sizes.
Most systems i worked with having UAD needed to be on 512 or even 1024 buffersize, while most native systems can run at 128, 64 or sometimes even 32.
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