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New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:30 pm

Here's a new one we're working on. A quick mix after last night's lead vocal recording.
Would love a real keys player to contribute to this. Lay something in the background and come up with a real hooky solo part as well.. .anyone interested?

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:17 pm

Nice composition.
I could comment on the mix but judging by the quality it already has and that it's a rough mix I think yourself know what to improve. To have a keyboardplayer on it could well work, but what I really mis is some beatles like vocal harmonies!

Great vocals though.

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:50 pm

Thanks Dylan. You are correct about the mix being rough in this stage BUT I am curious to hear your recommendations as if this was FINAl just so I know my mental notes are close or same as yours.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:00 pm

cmaffia wrote:Thanks Sirdancelot. You are correct about the mix being rough in this stage BUT I would be curious to hear your recommendations as if this was FINAl just so I know my mental notes are close or same as yours.


Okay..So I just throw my thoughts here on the board:

the vocal is a bit 'on top of the mix' not in terms of volume, but it doesn't sit in, so it looses a bit energy. I think case of dynamics.
toms maybe a bit muffled but that is taste I think. I would roll of the bottom a bit. I think on a big pa system the toms will get worse.
in my opinion it's bassically a drum and bas mix, especially around 2.00, then the acoustic guitar and the dampened electric guitar are not really present, on that spot you could ride it more upfront, but that could also be resolved with an additional piano as you mentioned earlier.
around 3.00 it seems the track wants to lift off in a grand smashing rock end, and that is not entirely happening. Don't know if that is a mix thing or the way it's played.
-edit- the snare sometimes get really thin and TACK!..How did you miked that up? With one mike?

These are all easy modifications, the foundation is really good, I think it's a breeze to mix this piece to the next level.

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:09 pm

Yep we are on the same page!

The drums actually are Superior Drummer 2.3 being triggered by my Roland eKit so it's a matter of mixing/eq'ing the MIDI performance.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:18 pm

cmaffia wrote:Yep we are on the same page!

The drums actually are Superior Drummer 2.3 being triggered by my Roland eKit so it's a matter of mixing/eq'ing the MIDI performance.


I have superior drummer 2.0, really, my god imberrasing that I thought those were real, or a big compliment for Toontrack hahaha. (or your performance)
Well then it's easy, just more bottomsnare to it.
Did you use the internal Sonalksis compressor on it?

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:12 pm

Yes I used the Toontracks compressor and EQ on the kit. What I sometimes do, and I will probably do this, is route the individual superior drummer sounds to Cubase and eq/process from there. Was that what you were going to suggest? :-)
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:48 pm

cmaffia wrote:Yes I used the Toontracks compressor and EQ on the kit. What I sometimes do, and I will probably do this, is route the individual superior drummer sounds to Cubase and eq/process from there. Was that what you were going to suggest? :-)


No not really, the build in Sonalksis plugins are excellent, The Cubase compressor can't pump like that at all.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:56 pm

Hmm so you recommend mixing within the SD 2.0 application then?
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Crotchety » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:57 am

Well, I really enjoyed that and the rest of them too. Real individual little tunes there, nice changes and quirky bits, very catchy and well played. Nice one, guys! Good luck with them. I'm almost tempted to offer to have a go on the keys for you, although I'm on the wrong side of the pond for you. I can hear piano, EP and organ, just been having a jam along, what's your poison?

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:59 am

Hey thanks for the feedback Crotchety. Being across the pond shouldn't be an issue! I can send you the 2 channel mp3 so you can play along. Just send me the individual files back :-)
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby shadowfax » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:47 am

you got a good hook in there...definitely needs harmonies...
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:26 am

cmaffia wrote:Hmm so you recommend mixing within the SD 2.0 application then?


No recomendations, I think both can work out fine.
When I use Superior drummer I mostly print the dry tracks with the build in bounce tool.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Crotchety » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:28 pm

cmaffia wrote:Hey thanks for the feedback Crotchety. Being across the pond shouldn't be an issue! I can send you the 2 channel mp3 so you can play along. Just send me the individual files back :-)

Ok but only on condition that you don't have to like it - I promise I won't be offended, what works is a very personal thing. So, piano, EP or organ...? (Looks like you can attach files to PMs so let's try it that way.)
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:40 pm

Thanks Crotchety! Any chance you can do all 3 so I can pick and choose?
Maybe send MIDI performance so I can pick sounds from my own library?
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Crotchety » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:58 pm

cmaffia wrote:Again THANK YOU!!

You haven't heard it yet... ;)
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:25 pm

Again basic tracks but incorporated Sir Dancelot's suggests in this version.

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Early21 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Nice tune, nice singing! It does sound like Superior to me; not a big fan of that snare sound, but I don't know what to suggest... never could figure out Superior myself! Same for the kick and the toms to be honest.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:19 pm

What I like about SD 2.0 is that many of the kits available are and when mixing is like micing a real kit. It gives you flexability to manicure a sound of your choice. Because of they are so dry, you really need to know what your doing to get a good sound and I too struggle often in doing that from song to song. Obviously there is room for improvement with this but I am still tracking. I guess I should state that when it comes to the final mix, we will try to make this sound more like early 80's Squeeze, Boomtown Rats or early Elvis Costello production. I will have to go back and study those productions as a reference.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Crotchety » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:42 pm

cmaffia wrote:... like early 80's Squeeze, Boomtown Rats or early Elvis Costello production...

I was thinking B52s... (Not had that mp3 yet, is that deliberate? Don't worry, no rush at this end.)
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:35 pm

Crotchety.. email me a cmaffia AT aol DOT com and I will send you the MP3.
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:05 pm

Some progress. Waiting for keyboard parts

http://soundcloud.com/maffman/10-good-r ... x-a-roonie
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby cmaffia » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:53 pm

Latest version. Almost done.
Thanks to Crotchety for helping out with the keys!

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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby shadowfax » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:02 pm

Sounding good guy's..
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Re: New One - Basic Tracks

Postby Sir Dancelot » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:37 am

Wauw, it's all there!
Beautifull vocal harmonies, great keys. Very tight mix.
The old version is removed from Soundcloud but from what I remember this one is a lot better. :D
Grerat Job.

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