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Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby suntower » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:37 am

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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby papi61 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:46 am

I like dark and I'm no spring chicken.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby Hedshaker » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:50 am

I like it as well. Too dark or too light or too anything are all subjective opinions regardless of who expresses them.

A dark DAW for dark music ;)
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby cubic13 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:40 am

Just two quick excerpts...

'In my view the latest generation of some GUIs are clearly a triumph of styling'

'So can it be that the GUI designers have now become so certain that their creations are the epitome of usability that their professional pride won't allow them to give us mere mortals the means to tamper with what in their mind is clearly perfection?'

I know it's out of topic but, even more than to Cubase UI 'darkness', this applies perfectly to Steiny's brand new and horrible white masked cursor... :?
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby Centralmusic » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:52 am

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Absolutely NONSENSE.

Cubase´s dark GUI is great for those who work 24/7 at studios.
Looks very easy on the eyes. Thank you Steinberg!
8-)
Tip: adjust your brightness/flatcreen.



BTW: Logic X´s GUI is much too dark! how ugly, isn´t it? :mrgreen:
(see postings in forums and custom user made themes)


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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby henceforth » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:26 am

I <3 the black and grey shades GUI, as I do the venerable white cursor (happily vouch for a preference on the second matter however).
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby johnstaf » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:31 am

henceforth wrote:I <3 the black and grey shades GUI, as I do the venerable white cursor (happily vouch for a preference on the second matter however).


Yes, I think the shadings, especially the grey blue of the selected work area are really nice.

Sometimes, when I'm starting a project and I only have a couple of tracks the large brightly coloured faders against the black can look a little Fisher-Price does Death Metal, but once the meters get going its great.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby pharmacist » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:36 am

I can't remember having any trouble reading anything due to dark GUI in c7. I like it a lot more than brighter "theme" in previous versions
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby sonicstate » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:44 am

I don't like dark GUIs. SOS is right, not enough light makes it hard to read. C7 mixer is too dark for me to be used comfortably. Maybe it would be ok if I over-cranked brightness of monitor, but I like to reduce brightness of monitors.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby mozizo » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:03 pm

hooo finally some points of view from pro magazine about this dark side of the DAW...
all we (or some of us) ask is to give us options to adjust color or at least brightness of MC buttons and elements(u did it for faders,Ch strp etc...well done ,please give us more)
i cant used to the dark grey buttons on dark grey surface..! maybe in next updates finally steinberg will address those problems ? not bugs but true problems to some of us C7 users to work with.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby paaltio » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:11 pm

My big gripe about Cubase 7 is that I can't make the Key Editor dark enough. Unlike in C6, the CC lanes don't switch (after a restart) to lighter fills when I turn the colors very dark, so it becomes too hard to see them. I love Logic X's look and would like to replicate it.

Clearly this argument about what is "correct" is a complete waste of time, because people will work in such different work environments that a single color theme will never work. Better customizability to all directions is needed.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby mozizo » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:21 pm

paaltio wrote:. Unlike in C6, the CC lanes don't switch (after a restart) to lighter fills when I turn the colors very dark, so it becomes too hard to see them. I love Logic X's look and would like to replicate it.


i mentioned that problem too in earlier posts..in C5 it was very clear (didnt use C6)
its very hard for me to see what is written on cc lane names on key editor,,, simply cuz text is gray and the background for the text also is gray..(and yes my sight is very good,, although i complain a lot for graphics hardness ;) )
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby qbaser » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:16 pm

What's Paul White on about? Yes C7 is too dark but hasnt he heard of GUI tweaks in the preferences? Ignore the low res jpeg, my screen is perfectly usable don't you agree? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby SteveInChicago » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:38 pm

suntower wrote:http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov13/articles/leader-1113.htm
He doesn't say what program he is talking about.

What he said about text does apply to Cubase, mainly in the rulers.

Suntower, how about a screenshot of your project and edit windows?
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby G-string » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:25 pm

I love darkness , you can beat a good dark UI for working of a night time , LOVE IT ,don't you dare change it Steinberger
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby suntower » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:15 pm

It's really not about 'darkness' and that's my mistake.

It's more about 'style v. substance'. For -me- the big problem with C7 is that it's trying to look more like an 'app'... with fewer controls that do multiple things... or are hidden and then pop up when you're in the right spot. I find this approach MUCH harder to use than previous versions which were much more straightforward.

In one sentence... C7 -looks- cooler, but the more you use it, the more you realise that it's much harder to actually use. It requires almost constant attention. I have to -think- a lot more and change focus a -lot- more.

The 'darkness' bothers me primarily as a lack of -contrast-. For example, after a year I still often can't tell which track a meter goes with---the one on the left or the one on the right?

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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby sonicstate » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:18 pm

Most real mix consoles are not black. They are silver, shiny. I can only think of old Studiomaster consoles being black. I think silver/grey should be available as an option for those who don't like dark GUI.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby henceforth » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:32 pm

Bredo wrote:I don't need the white "focus frame" jumping around just to touch a fader.


Leave the boxes alone then.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby NWP » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:38 pm

Having flashbacks of my grandparents complaining about not being able to deal with digital alarm clocks, vcrs, microwave ovens, etc... .

Time marches on. Adapt, overcome or sit by the trailside waiting for the saber-toothed kitty to put you out of your misery.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby G-string » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:39 pm

Bredo wrote:I don't need the white "focus frame" jumping around just to touch a fader.


Bredo my old chimpy chomp , do you remember a conversation that you and I and a few others had with one of the mods asking for the white focus to be removed from the mixer and the reply was .........." not possible to remove it at this present time ( 7.0.0 )" ?
Now to me that sounded like a hint that they were working on it which means hopefully we should be seeing this crap behaviour removed in an update . I have faith in Steinberg and I do believe this will be the case one day .

So the mixer hasn't grown on you so far then :lol: ?
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby suntower » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:56 pm

If I'm not mistaken, software is not a wild animal. To strain the metaphor, it's a dog that I should be able to train to serve -my- needs... not the other way round.

Cubase is getting -harder- to use. Which is ironic, since many of the UI changes were meant for 'keyboard navigation'. In fact, it's =harder= to navigate in C7 than in C6.

It would be interesting to do a series of 'time studies'... create a list of common tasks and time/video people performing these operations. Look at not only the length of time it takes, but also the amount of -movement- --- shifting hands from mouse to keyboard, taking eyes off screen, obvious lapses in concentration. My guess is that C7 is much clunkier than C6 and regardless of snappy paint job that's what matters.

Conversely: I would -sincerely- be interested in a list of tasks that people can honestly say go -faster- in C7 than C6. Maybe there's something I'm missing.

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NWP wrote:Having flashbacks of my grandparents complaining about not being able to deal with digital alarm clocks, vcrs, microwave ovens, etc... .

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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby NWP » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:03 pm

suntower wrote: it's a dog that I should be able to train to serve -my- needs... not the other way round.


You'd have to be a programmer for that to work the way you want.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby silhouette » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:57 pm

Given that Paul White is a Logic user it does not follow that he is talking about Cubase.
My issue is about the size of the text in much of new software given that most people have their monitors a little way back.
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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby curteye » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:28 am

NWP wrote:Having flashbacks of my grandparents complaining about not being able to deal with digital alarm clocks, vcrs, microwave ovens, etc... .
Time marches on. Adapt, overcome or sit by the trailside waiting for the saber-toothed kitty to put you out of your misery.


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Re: Sound On Sound says it all: Too Dark

Postby henceforth » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:58 am

Bredo wrote:That is a HUGE step back from a more hardware like mixing environment IMO.


Maybe it is time to think about selling your Cubase license, as it would fetch a much higher price now than were you to wait for things that may never take place.
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