"POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

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How much do you think the 7.5 update will cost

FREE
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58%
€25
2
2%
€50
35
26%
€100
10
8%
€150
1
1%
€200
8
6%
 
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Patanjali » Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:49 pm

TheNavigator wrote:Software is very cheap in the USA, .... because the Internet is worldwide

We use Corel's PaintShop Pro and VideoStudio Pro. While online prices seem to be better now, a couple of years ago, just putting in Australia as the currency would jack up the price substantialy, even though the download was served by the same servers.

All this stuff is to 'protect' local suppliers who handle the retail boxed product.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Patanjali » Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:52 pm

TheNavigator wrote:MOAR

Is that a Katy Perry cover?
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby TheNavigator » Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:53 pm

Patanjali wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:MOAR

Is that a Katy Perry cover?


No, I just took that from the Internets. It's used to denote insatiable, irrational greed. ;-)
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Patanjali » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:07 pm

TheNavigator wrote:
Patanjali wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:MOAR

Is that a Katy Perry cover?


No, I just took that from the Internets. It's used to denote insatiable, irrational greed. ;-)

Sorry, I was just being silly, playing on the word. ;)
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby TheNavigator » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:12 pm

Patanjali wrote:Sorry, I was just being silly, playing on the word. ;)


Would you explain it to me, please? I'm not actually into mainstream culture (I'm a bit nerdy...). :oops:
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Muziksculp » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:01 pm

Freddie H wrote:FREE!

Why should it cost anything?
Its still the same version, version 7. :roll:

If they make a new version Cubase 8, then it should cost something to upgrade.


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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Bane » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:34 pm

I would rather pay a bit and have innovative functionality worth reckoning with rather than have a half-arsed, here-and-there update of scrap leftovers thrown out for free.

It seems to me the content of these version upgrades from Steinberg in general needs to be thought through better. For instance, simply implementing the newest generic Steinberg plugins from Cubase into say the newest Wavelab is transparently redundant and makes for a weak feature list.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby henceforth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:31 pm

Bane wrote:I would rather pay a bit and have innovative functionality worth reckoning with rather than have a half-arsed, here-and-there update of scrap leftovers thrown out for free.

So you think pre 6.5 Steiny were always half-assed or just baked half way?
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Bane » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:04 pm

@henceforth: I wasn't around for that, just considering an obvious alternative due to diminished incentive.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby henceforth » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:12 am

Hi Bane, as long as i don't miss out on bug fixes, i care less for pluggins but don't you think equating a plug in with a feature is a little unnoteworthy?
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby sonicstate » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:46 am

New paid update must bring new features. If there are just bug fixes, then it is still the old version that we already paid for. To charge for bug fixes for functions that were advertised at purchase is unfair in IMO. But, if new functionality is introduced, then paid update is certainly in place. The more new functionality, the higher update price. I'd be happy to pay 200eur for update, if what was new was actually worth 200eur to me. I pay immediately for anything that is worth the investment.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby henceforth » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:53 am

sonicstate wrote:To charge for bug fixes for functions that were advertised at purchase is unfair in IMO.


How well something functions is also in the eye-of-the-beholder hence what is "advertised" may not actually be what one envisions for a product.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Buchanan » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:20 pm

Cubase among many other products have never quite been up to the standards I "envisioned". Tonewarping for instance, gets invented for minor cosmetic tweaks and everyone and his pet dragon, including me, envisions totally different uses for it. One man's bug can be another's "OH, I didn't know it was supposed to do that." and after a few months you find myriad "demands" or it to work one way or another. I go with the outlook that I'd rather clean what sticks to the wall rather than what sticks to the fan.

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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Bane » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:54 pm

henceforth wrote:Hi Bane, as long as i don't miss out on bug fixes, i care less for pluggins but don't you think equating a plug in with a feature is a little unnoteworthy?


Indeed it is as Sonicstate said that no one is going to pay for bug fixes, and if the update is not free the userbase will likely be split as it was last time. Because users who initially paid don't deserve to be deprived of bug fixes.

Indeed a lot of the features introduced in 6.5 such as plug-ins were simply hype and honestly I don't use "DJ EQ" or what not but improvement in areas such as comping were certainly welcome. Hopefully Steinberg have been watching Pro Tools developments which cater more toward CPU management and truly enhanced workflow rather than gimmicky "features".
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Patanjali » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:05 pm

TheNavigator wrote:
Patanjali wrote:Sorry, I was just being silly, playing on the word. ;)


Would you explain it to me, please? I'm not actually into mainstream culture (I'm a bit nerdy...). :oops:

Katy Perry released a song called 'ROAR'.

Urban dictionary cites MOAR as a combination of 'more' and 'roar' (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moar), which is interesting as I had thought you just did a typo.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby StudioCompyfox » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:10 pm

Knowing Steinberg, they usually do not give anything about our opinion and do what they feel best. Just take a dive into the FR section and certain FR's that still aren't ported, open Bugfix requests, still not handled support (just go over to KVR and GearSlutz) - just to name a few issues.

But with all the trouble that a lot(!) of us user are having with Cubase 7, the ASIO engine (OS independent), the "Maverick" issue, certain showstoppers like "window handling" (always on top bug comes to mind), the Insert Handling (could still drop certain F-Bombs), etc... It would only be fair to NOT ask for any money until Cubase 8.


But knowing Steinbergs history, that is highly unlikely.
Still voted for "free" though.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby johnstaf » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:17 pm

If 7.5 comes out soon, does that mean an end to bug-fixes for 7?
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby StudioCompyfox » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:35 pm

There might be a "bugfix" update from 7.06 to 7.07 if C7.5 is the next step. It happened similary with C6.06 and C6.5.

But else, yes... you want issues being resolved - in this case you need to pay money to update and hope that they get resolved. Though there is no guarantee for that.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Airyck » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:05 pm

Looks like the cost is going to be $50 again. The price for a 6.5 to 7 upgrade has just increased everywhere from $149 to $199, I assume the cost difference is for a "free" upgrade to 7.5 (which obviously is not free).
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby jonsolo » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:01 pm

Well I just pulled the trigger and bought CB7...hope that if it drops in the next month I get a free upgrade!
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby TheNavigator » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:52 am

jonsolo wrote:Well I just pulled the trigger and bought CB7...hope that if it drops in the next month I get a free upgrade!


You're an optimist.
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby ufoqbase » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:58 pm

I don't know if is a good policy or not, but C7 is still buggy under osx, a lot of plugs are not compatible, like Melodyne or Native Instruments, but these plugs works great and rock solid under C6.5 in 64bit mode.
The new mixer is fantastic only if you have a super big screen, or 2 big monitors, i've tried to work in airplane with macbook and its impossible. There are waste space and missing buttons like Phase buttons etc. C 7.0.6 still crash under osx 10.8 even in 10.9.
For me is not comparable to Cubase 6.5 stability. All this after one year from C7.0.0. I have to pay for what? I think Steinberg should release the new upgrade to 7.5 for free to all old customer just to say sorrow, "we released C7 to soon". I'm still on C.6.5 under osx because is rock solid for my work, sometimes I try to back on C7 but I find bugs every single time.... is a stress....

I hope someone will listen this....
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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Freddie H » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:21 pm

jonsolo wrote:Well I just pulled the trigger and bought CB7...hope that if it drops in the next month I get a free upgrade!


Absolutely! Agree. ;)


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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby Freddie H » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:49 pm

ufoqbase wrote:I don't know if is a good policy or not, but C7 is still buggy under osx, a lot of plugs are not compatible, like Melodyne or Native Instruments, but these plugs works great and rock solid under C6.5 in 64bit mode.
The new mixer is fantastic only if you have a super big screen, or 2 big monitors, i've tried to work in airplane with macbook and its impossible. There are waste space and missing buttons like Phase buttons etc. C 7.0.6 still crash under osx 10.8 even in 10.9.
For me is not comparable to Cubase 6.5 stability. All this after one year from C7.0.0. I have to pay for what? I think Steinberg should release the new upgrade to 7.5 for free to all old customer just to say sorrow, "we released C7 to soon". I'm still on C.6.5 under osx because is rock solid for my work, sometimes I try to back on C7 but I find bugs every single time.... is a stress....

I hope someone will listen this....
:D


Yes...we know and its not actually Steinberg or Cubase that is so buggy. ;)
Please don't kill the messenger... ;)


As you perhaps already know people on PC doesn't suffer on many of these bugs as users on MAC OSX do and I can explain why.

Its Mac and Apple that can't keep up with rest of the world and "modern code" and technology especially new graphic codes that works perfectly well on Windows platforms.
Is it fair that Steinberg's products stop evolve because of the lack of progress on apple behalf? :roll:
OSX has always been behind in graphic and use of second rate graphic cards even though its gone better lately.


As far as I understand majority programmers that work on Steinberg, base the program on C++ code.
So do NI, Waves, Softtube, UAD etc..

I would guess Steinberg use some of the C++ code and try to ported them to Unix code instead in a later stage.


There are many other companies that don't even bother with APPLE or MAC support or even use them. Products like computer games, Xbox-game (program exclusive on windows with help of C++ and other programs), Playstation-game (program exclusive on windows with help of C++ and other programs),.. other programs, advance animation programs. CAD,... etc.. All on WINDOWS exclusive.

You don't find so many games or animation and special film effects program on OSX do you?
No, all are on PC Windows, and they have been all along.


I'm not saying that windows cubase users are all free from bugs. No, sure we all has some bugs too, but not as many as you users on MAC.

Perhaps that is why it might be wise to end mac support for good and keep the focus on develop Cubase on windows instead. All the programmers can focus on make a greater Cubase Nuendo instead of trying to make it work on OSX all day long. Windows 7 and 8 is a open system that you can build and specify with individual components specific for your own needs. It also the performance platform working with Audio, film, game, animations or whatever.

That is the truth, even if it hurts. :|


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Re: "POLL" Pay for 7.5 on the way for christmas

Postby G-string » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:23 pm

ufoqbase wrote:I don't know if is a good policy or not, but C7 is still buggy under osx, a lot of plugs are not compatible, like Melodyne or Native Instruments, but these plugs works great and rock solid under C6.5 in 64bit mode.
The new mixer is fantastic only if you have a super big screen, or 2 big monitors, i've tried to work in airplane with macbook and its impossible. There are waste space and missing buttons like Phase buttons etc. C 7.0.6 still crash under osx 10.8 even in 10.9.
For me is not comparable to Cubase 6.5 stability. All this after one year from C7.0.0. I have to pay for what? I think Steinberg should release the new upgrade to 7.5 for free to all old customer just to say sorrow, "we released C7 to soon". I'm still on C.6.5 under osx because is rock solid for my work, sometimes I try to back on C7 but I find bugs every single time.... is a stress....

I hope someone will listen this....
:D


and what exactly does this have to do with the poll ?????? NOTHING just another derail into a moaning thread , you want to moan about whats wrong with your version of Cubase start your own thread , this is a poll not a repeat of the same old moans of all the other threads

I hope you listen to this ;)
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