this'll change everything 14 nov

Tandem

… thereby confessing to not even trying to see the intention of the video. You need somebody to point out to you it was just an example? The MIDI sax lines were there as guides for the meat and blood saxophonists to know the lines the composer had in mind and then humanize the lines with real saxes. The idea of the video is to get the idea to get ideas of your own. Not compare the sound quality of the example material. Cheezeus, what more don’t you understand in life??? Your only intention is obviously to hate on Steinberg :open_mouth: :laughing:

If you don’t like it, don’t need it, won’t use it … don’t buy it! :bulb:

Reading through this thread this product is succeeding at getting people angry :slight_smile: not bad value for 199 :mrgreen:

meanwhile …

The world is my studio.

Yes, I see the intention of the video and understand the point they are trying to convey. The observation was that using a GM MIDI sax against a legit sax recording can hardly be called a fair quality comparison test and is quite simply irrelevant.

I don’t think anyone of enough intelligence to use the software needs a “quality comparison” between GM MIDI and audio. I’m not mad, just pointing out that it’s a structurally weak marketing point for the video. And no, I will not be buying it for the record.

Aloha guys. Just to chime in.

+1

That’s what this whole thing is about.

“Steve Vai and Herbie Hanc0ck came to my bedroom and played on a track for me”.

1-Imagine if your client was willing to pay $$ for
George Benson (from his home laptop) to play over the sketch guit part you wrote
or Steve Gadd play over your basic drum groove etc.

2-Or you are a classical pianist and now you actually playing/recording
that million $ piano in Veinna or Paris or New York etc
(in your housecoat and underware at 4am) :slight_smile: via MIDI.

To create an outline of a song and get some of the greatest
musicians in the world (or nice players/friends you know) to do the actual playing on it is IMHO
truly a game changer.

And while I totally agree with ‘TheNavigator’

I would prefer my BFD 3 over almost any real drum recording nowadays

The ‘sounds’ are there yes but how good is our performance using this tech
compared with a pro studio drummer?
Those lil tiny nuances can’t alway be done with tech alone.

That being said;
to get a Steve Gadd/Alan Morgen to play your BFD drums on a track
would be the best of both worlds and now it is not only
possible but also (if this all works as planned) very easy to set-up
and operate.

Of course all licensing and $$ issues would have to be negotiated first but
imagine being able to say:
‘I’ve got a session scheduled with Leo Kottke and B.B. King coming up’.
And really mean it. :slight_smile:

And the door is now wide open for ‘vox’s’.

So many of us create great work but can’t sing very well (or at all).
I can imagine a ‘data base’ of singers all around the world
waiting and willing to give our work a go.
Kinda like a plug-in; if you don’t like that one, just try another one.

One question tho’.
Does/can the client version show any notation/scoring info on that end?
So players can read from a manuscript/chart.

Future looks bright. To use or not to use. At least we now have even more options.
I’m giving George a call :slight_smile:
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I agree that some are missing the point. It is not about the quality of the sound. It is about replacing an IDEA (sketched out in MIDI) with an actual recording by an artist FROM A REMOTE LOCATION.
That performer does not even need to own Cubase (I think). All they need (I think) is the free “performer” application. They hear your basic song and then add a living breathing performance.
I think the latency over the internet is only a concern if you were trying to record from two different locations at once. If you are only recording at one location, you could be 30 seconds late at the mixing desk because all you are doing is recording the performance and replacing your MIDI track with it. So you turn your MIDI idea into a song with real instrument recordings one performer at a time from multiple locations. Not unlike simply sending them your project and letting them replace the MIDI and then send it back, but they don’t need Cubase at all.

Anyway, I do think it is a good idea for collaborations. If all the collaborating performers use Cubase then it doesn’t do too much other than save the hassle of sending the projects back and forth. Probably not something I would use, personally.

Lastly, I will agree that the video it quite funny. The tones of their voices and interaction reminds me of two ladies on a PBS talk show about flowers or pastries. Remember the NPR Delicious Dish skits on SNL with Ana Gasteyer and Molly Shannon? It does a fair job of describing what VST Connect is designed to do, however.

+1

The one with the thick accent get’s a lil hard to understand at times but you sure get his ‘tone’.
This guy is serious about this stuff. Right on!
Worth listening to a couple of times for sure.

{‘-’}

Yes, thats also how I see it.

The marketing department created something for a naive audience, not for semiprofessionals and professionals. We know that we can create a terrible GM sax line like this in, hm, 15 seconds and make it sound nice by having a proper sax player play it (or semi-nice by using a good sample / physical modelling… the KORG MOSS board is really good at such things).

But it is hilarious to watch. Especially with the disclaimer about how mispronounciation of the English language is not intentional. :laughing:

As I understand it Vst connect pro sends a compressed sound from location to cubase 7. Best quality is 356 kb/s. When the producer is satisfied he or she recieves the raw wave files from the location which is stored at the location computer. . Pretty clever solution.



Of course all licensing and $$ issues would have to be negotiated first but
imagine being able to say:
‘I’ve got a session scheduled with Leo Kottke and B.B. King coming up’.
And really mean it. > :slight_smile:

And the door is now wide open for ‘vox’s’.

So many of us create great work but can’t sing very well (or at all).
I can imagine a ‘data base’ of singers all around the world
waiting and willing to give our work a go.
Kinda like a plug-in; if you don’t like that one, just try another one.

He gets it :slight_smile:

The latency involved with anything but a LAN would seem to be too much for true real-time collaborative tracking, as opposed to tracking remotely to a locally sourced playback.

Where I see this REALLY being a deal-changer is for hobby/small studios (or where the bedroom has overflowed into the loungeroom!), where the mixing/control room is separate from the studio(s), because ALL communications, including HD audio and video, can use a SINGLE Gigabit Ethernet (GbE) cable.

Drums and amps in separate, dedicated rooms, but all part of the same session, enabling visual synergy with audio isolation.

Of course, the studio computers have to be silent (home theatre PC?) and have their own audio hardware, but simple two in/two out devices may suffice for solo vocalist/instrumentalists. The Dante audio system has shown that large numbers of HD audio channels can be handled over Ethernet with around 1ms latency.

No more multi-core runs between rooms! And cheap GbE LAN hardware (switches) can be used.

The studio PCs could also be used for show a window for cue sheets or lyrics.

A scenario that is unlikely to work well for most
Sounds like a nice idea, but high end people will do things in their own time frame, rather than having to fit around someone in another place. Once you get over a few milliseconds latency, real-time is lost, so why force everyone to hang around while one does their ‘thing’. Such things require good organisation and everybody to be on the ball.

And experience of video conferencing ought to be a warning to not expect too much from an actual sessions: jumpy video and emotional disconnection (unless you REALLY get on well with the others).

Boon for the large numbers of low end users to expand facilities VERY cheaply
I really see the ability to work real-time across a GbE LAN connection in the same building, but different rooms to be the REAL benefit. It enables all those bedroom/hobby musos to incrementally expand their facilities, without complicated and awkward cable runs. Audio isolation for those on a budget!

I think this scenario is the one that will benefit many more than using the promoted one. I was looking at going the Dante route when I needed to up the game from the Firewire RME FireFaces when they or Firewire outwore its welcome (disappeared off motherboards). But Dante ONLY handles audio, not ALL the other comms needed for a session.
This new facility means that when upgrading one’s main computer, the old one could be used (after some silencing treatment), with its audio interface, as a studio PC running VST Connect Performer. The control room does not need lots of connections, so even a USB2 device may well suffice.

Just the Dante ‘audio’ card is $1000, and then add expensive excessively-provisioned (thinking Focusrite RED series here at $2000+ each) remote audio interfaces. A $200 plugin plus some Intel/Gigabyte mini-ATX i5 Brix-type PCs with their own USB audio interfaces seems downright affordable! Or even use a touch all-in-one PC.

Can the audio LAN be isolated?
One issue is whether the master system can bind the audio to a particular Ethernet adaptor with its own subnet, so that audio traffic and hardware can be separate from general network traffic.

My point was:

if this all works as planned/ very easy to set-up and operate.

If the tech ain’t happinin’ then mucho probs for sure.

But if Steiny has the tech ‘down’ and this works as advertised;
this could be a very convenient way of having musical collaboration.
Hi end people like convenient.

BTW
as an old guy who has ‘been around’, you would be surprised at the number
of ‘famous’ people you can get to play on yer stuff, if you just offer enough
$$ and keep their names off it. Famous does not mean rich.

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I wouldn’t discount the quality of the sound completely - this is definitely an important point that the audio can be recorded in HD!
The Midi is great and immediately got me thinking that I know a few guys with some very unique, custom and/or nearly impossible to find now rare synths, this would allow me to actually play those synths (in other countries) from my studio - fantastic!
This could, if you think a little further out of the box, even open new sources of revenue for synth museums and collectors, not to mention a new kind of session booking for studios.
Yes you’ll see, it will change so much - just as VST did!

If ReWire VST had been VST3 this could have had some very interesting symbiotic usages :slight_smile:
(Say for instance that you’re a cubaser that happens to work with someone who’s a Reasoner)

EDIT
Or Live 9 or whatever…

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I think not, at least until mummy has finished changing his nappy (diaper for the yanks) :wink: !

Just funnin’

Mauri.

Nothing stops some large scale VERY PROFESSIONAL studios in say Vancouver, München and Perth to interconnect for peanuts? It wouldn’t even be visible in a pie chart of the spendings the year it happened. If you have the budget for the rest of the project you can send a 19" rack in a flightcase along with an engineer to some location with great acoustics/famous instruments/both and Bob is your uncle. It almost seems … this changes everything! :wink:

But you don’t have to …
So you don’t
And save all the $$$ :sunglasses:

Hm. Well, I loved the drummer in the video, he is a first rate studio player. And it’s possible that you might know someone somewhere in the world that has a facility like he has at his disposal. But it all falls apart for me right there. Because I don’t have the kind of bank (money) to pay for the use of that studio for, hm, say one or two hours? Three? I dare say most of you here would not spend that money either.

The midi idea is interesting, sure. But that Yamaha in the studio cost big money, too. Synthesizers of the collectable nature in the hands of friends could be cool, or maybe some facility that didn’t have a great sound room, perhaps.

As to getting BB or Eric to play on one of your tracks? Please be serious. Joe Bonamassa doesn’t even have his (Eric’s)phone number.

Well, it’s an interesting idea, I agree. I am sure Mikail (in the video) and songwriters and producers of this nature and background will be able to use this product very well - because he is Steinberg and he is CONNECTED because of Steinberg. Good for him. But see also how studio time for these sessions was not discussed. The sax player was in her home - looked like it - and I could see that being peer to peer, cool, but not those studios. You and I would have to pay big money. Well, maybe $300+ per track is not big money to you. Anyway, IMO, the best thing this will do is perhaps encourage some future where you - as a Cubase user - will cause you to connect to your peers here. Folks who may have a talent or an instrument you can use on a track and who won’t charge you anything. Ha, is even this possible?

So not a game changer for me. I will continue to pool the local talent in my town when needed and bring them here. And that’s my last point. When I do bring a drummer here, or say a horn player, I am all theirs for the time it takes to get the track. I treat them like Kings and Queens, buy/serve them lunch/dinner whatever, because they are helping me get something accomplished that I need to accomplish. If I called them up and said , ‘hey, could you please set up your kit and I will send you a part I need along with the demo track, and then get out all your $1000 mics (which they don’t have) and plug yourself into your console (which they don’t have) and call up an engineer friend to oversee the mic setup and the recording…’ Are you kidding? It won’t happen. And the interaction we would have had, lunch, etc., won’t happen either.

…But very quickly, as I think about it, I could see how $$ might quickly take it’s place. Great, another opportunity for commerce to interface with friendships! No, no thanks. But I love Cubase, Steinberg!! :smiley: :smiley:

so what next steinberg ?? VST CONNECT cosmic ? playing with aliens ! maybe “the great gig in the sky” thing, let jimi hendrix record for you from heaven (or hell :mrgreen: ) !! :smiley:
but seriously no doubt steinberg is an innovator and pioneer in mind :sunglasses:

I know some great singers who would love to collab in this way but they don’t have the high quality mic and audio interface for it, so I’ll still have to bring em in.