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7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:34 pm

Was thinkin bout upgrading but there seems to be a heck of a lot of probs with 7.5....shakin in me boots now!!!
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:29 pm

Ok ..saw that, thanks...I'm usually one of the unlucky ones and these guys have released C7.5 without even having a full manual for it..aparently you gotta use the 7 manual and find the other stuff somewhere else..why would they do that? and it seems there are still probs that 7.0.6 had in 7.5...what? :?
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby cmaffia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:32 pm

I say upgrade. There's a lot of really nice added features. If 7.0.6 was stable for you then 7.5 will be just as solid if not better. For me the interface is so much more snappier. Go for it!
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby thinkingcap » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:38 pm

shadowfax wrote:Ok ..saw that, thanks...I'm usually one of the unlucky ones and these guys have released C7.5 without even having a full manual for it..aparently you gotta use the 7 manual and find the other stuff somewhere else..why would they do that? and it seems there are still probs that 7.0.6 had in 7.5...what? :?

So, why ask then? Obviously you don´t want to update.
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby Outsounder » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:48 pm

Actually it's a very good update, well worth the asking price. There is a new feature guide PDF in the download, there's no need for a whole new manual.

There are actually some excellent new features and improvements, lets just hope the gloss of all those (and the issues that come with them) doesn't distract from workflow issues bought forward, especially with the MC
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby Prock » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:21 pm

So far, for me anyway, this is a nice update. Just do it.
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby knuckle47 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:42 pm

Shadowfax, the day the announcement came out at the end of November, I tried to click on BUY NOW for days to pre order. Now that is December 7' I still have not done it. I have read the love and hate and out of all of it, the one thing I would like to find out more of is the file size claims. Seems a few have mentioned the significant file size increase and load times.

Other than that, I'll probably do it as I have always updated or upgraded since SL 2.0. I'm am not a pro so as it all boils down, it's not an impact
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:10 pm

thinkingcap wrote:
shadowfax wrote:Ok ..saw that, thanks...I'm usually one of the unlucky ones and these guys have released C7.5 without even having a full manual for it..aparently you gotta use the 7 manual and find the other stuff somewhere else..why would they do that? and it seems there are still probs that 7.0.6 had in 7.5...what? :?

So, why ask then? Obviously you don´t want to update.
No one will give you a guarantee you´re one of the lucky- or unlucky ones - so if you don´t want to find out yourself, don´t do it...



seems reasonable to find out about a product and ask a few questions before stepping in... and I was aware of my options before you kindly pointed them out..but thanks anyway :)

after encouragement from all you other guys/gals..I bought it online 2 mins ago and should arrive Wed next..so thanks to everyone...Kevin
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby cubic13 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:46 pm

I was considering an eventual update from 7.0.6 (while carefully keeping 5.1 and 6.5 installed...), this, despite all the UI regressions (yes, I'm probably one track minded ans still hate the new white masked timeline cursor and the C7 color schemes, among others...), as the first comments about 7.5 was 'fantastic', 'amazing', 'wonderful', etc, etc...

The main things that were interesting me are the track versions, the track visibility and the new algo reverb. I don't really care about the others, honestly...

But since three days, I have seen here :
- Again, a drastic increase of project loading times (and I thought that it couldn't get worse...),
- Projects .cpr size of users here growing from 600 kb (with 7.0.6) to... 4.5 Mb ! :shock: ,
- Content download and installation issues,
- Anormal spikes here and there with still as much resources used as before if not worse for some.

And beside this (among several others...) :
- No UI regressions fixes and still the dreaded and unavoidable white masked timeline cursor,
- No fixes concerning the key commands behavior issues with the MixConsole focus,
- No improvement of the RCE (generic remote handling),
- No improvement of the ASIO guard,
- Still the same click fest in the MixConsole,
- No improvement of the Generic Remote definition (still track dependent with broken NRPN support. I made a feature request and a ticket support for the latter more than one month ago and I'm still waiting for any feedback...),
- Trackpresets are still unusable with multiouts VSTis.

So, basically, more or less useful features added again, leaving more and more things half-baked. Seems like Steiny is engaged in a headlong rush and I'm increasingly fearing what the future will bring.

Just saw that you took the jump, Shadowfax. Let's say I won't follow...
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby thinkingcap » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:06 pm

shadowfax wrote:seems reasonable to find out about a product and ask a few questions before stepping in...

That seems reasonable - asking others if you should update seems not (to me).
Especially since obviously you only get exactly the same answers as in all those past "should I upgrade" threads, and those to come.
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:08 pm

cubic13 wrote:Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Post by cubic13 » 07 Dec 2013 16:46
I was considering an eventual update from 7.0.6 (while carefully keeping 5.1 and 6.5 installed...), this, despite all the UI regressions (yes, I'm probably one track minded ans still hate the new white masked timeline cursor and the C7 color schemes, among others...), as the first comments about 7.5 was 'fantastic', 'amazing', 'wonderful', etc, etc...

The main things that were interesting me are the track versions, the track visibility and the new algo reverb. I don't really care about the others, honestly...

But since three days, I have seen here :
- Again, a drastic increase of project loading times (and I thought that it couldn't get worse...),
- Projects .cpr size of users here growing from 600 kb (with 7.0.6) to... 4.5 Mb ! :shock: ,
- Content download and installation issues,
- Anormal spikes here and there with still as much resources used as before if not worse for some.

And beside this (among several others...) :
- No UI regressions fixes and still the dreaded and unavoidable white masked timeline cursor,
- No fixes concerning the key commands behavior issues with the MixConsole focus,
- No improvement of the RCE (generic remote handling),
- No improvement of the ASIO guard,
- Still the same click fest in the MixConsole,
- No improvement of the Generic Remote definition (still track dependent with broken NRPN support. I made a feature request and a ticket support for the latter more than one month ago and I'm still waiting for any feedback...),
- Trackpresets are still unusable with multiouts VSTis.

So, basically, more or less useful features added again, leaving more and more things half-baked. Seems like Steiny is engaged in a headlong rush and I'm increasingly fearing what the future will bring.

Just saw that you took the jump, Shadowfax. Let's say I won't follow...


OH MY GOD !!!

I've ordered it but I aint put it in the box yet..this is the stuff that worries me the most..onwards and upwards regardless of the faults still lying around in the previous version..i think they were in a hurry to cash in on Christmas...
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:10 pm

somehow managed to include my post in the quote there..sorry bout that...from OH MY GOD is my bit..
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby G-string » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:28 pm

simple question :

What harm do you think it could do by updating considering c7.5 is a completely different program from 7.0.6 ?
If your worried just do the usual crap " back up , disk image " before updating .
If your skint and can't afford to feed your children then I suggest .....sell your missus and update to c7.5 ;-)
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby cubic13 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:55 pm

G-string wrote:simple question :

What harm do you think it could do by updating considering c7.5 is a completely different program from 7.0.6 ?
If your worried just do the usual crap " back up , disk image " before updating .
If your skint and can't afford to feed your children then I suggest .....sell your missus and update to c7.5 ;-)


I guess that this one is for me, as Shadowfax already purchased the 7.5 update, but correct me if I'm wrong...

So, just two answers :

1) I already have 3 Cubase versions installed, here, one of them not used (guess the one which is concerned...). So, no need for a fouth one which will probably end as the third one, even if I can afford it.

2) And, more important... Considering how things evolve (with an increasing number of things left without fixes and more and more UI/workflow regressions), I do think that updating would somehow comfort Steiny on the wrong track they are engaged in. Let's say that I vote with my wallet...
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby G-string » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:07 pm

cubic13 wrote:
G-string wrote:simple question :

What harm do you think it could do by updating considering c7.5 is a completely different program from 7.0.6 ?
If your worried just do the usual crap " back up , disk image " before updating .
If your skint and can't afford to feed your children then I suggest .....sell your missus and update to c7.5 ;-)


I guess that this one is for me, as Shadowfax already purchased the 7.5 update, but correct me if I'm wrong...

So, just two answers :

1) I already have 3 Cubase versions installed, here, one of them not used (guess the one which is concerned...). So, no need for a fouth one which will probably end as the third one, even if I can afford it.

2) And, more important... Considering how things evolve (with an increasing number of things left without fixes and more and more UI/workflow regressions), I do think that updating would somehow comfort Steiny on the wrong track they are engaged in. Let's say that I vote with my wallet...

sorry Cubic13
this was actually directed at Shadowfox and silly old me missed the " I bought it two minutes ago " so apart from the last part it all still counts .
If you don't want to update Cubic then that's your choice mate but maybe it's the way ive built my Daw Ive seemed to be the one of the lucky ones all the way through c7 so jumping to c7.5 for the visibility sync alone was worth it .

Anyway Shadowfox im sure you'll be fine in the end with it even IF you have quibbles at the beginning ;-)
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby Airyck » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:38 pm

I'll upgrade soon I think, 6.5 to 7.5 seems like a significant update, and most of the major issues seem to have been worked out over the last year... still not a 100% on it but some of the new features seem great. I 'd also love to be able to drag and drop to Kontakt which I know you can now do as of 7.0. I think I'll stick to upgrading at the X.5 versions, they always seem to be much better than X.0
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:06 am

Just seems such a pity that paid upgrades come along that we all want to have but they come with problems, some old..some new that we have to spend time dealing with instead of music...me being rubbish with "puters" makes it a bit more worrying for me, I know it's cutting edge stuff and respect that but cubic13 makes some very good points,
I will install the upgrade but seems strange that I'll be a bit worried about it..of course I'll keep 7 around to go back to if need be..just don't think it should be like that....best to you all in the coming weeks...Kevin
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:08 am

G-string wrote:simple question :

What harm do you think it could do by updating considering c7.5 is a completely different program from 7.0.6 ?
If your worried just do the usual crap " back up , disk image " before updating .
If your skint and can't afford to feed your children then I suggest .....sell your missus and update to c7.5 ;-)


could never seel me missus..she bought me the upgrade :D
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby studioton » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:59 am

shadowfax wrote:Was thinkin bout upgrading but there seems to be a heck of a lot of probs with 7.5....shakin in me boots now!!!


win 7 64.. no problems here. 7.5 is the first new version that works very well .. SB have done good job
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby Svenne » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:14 pm

shadowfax wrote:These guys have released C7.5 without even having a full manual for it

Be thankful they didn't! A full rewrite of the manual would probably have raised the price of the 7.5 update by a factor of two.
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question

Postby knuckle47 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Just for the record, I too bought the upgrade . I will say this much, I have not yet installed the two files but the hse2 file stopped and started several times and then I cancelled it to start again later. Must be that Verizion FiOS at 75/30 is just too blazing fast to keep it flowing ;)
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Re: 7.5, to upgrade or not to upgrade..that is the question.

Postby shadowfax » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:32 pm

So anyway..my upgrade arrived at lunchtime today..installed it with no probs whatsoever..(first time this has happened for me )..been using it for 5 hours now without problems..so seems to be ok..so relieved...Kevin
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