Strophoid wrote:I have heard some of the Arturia synths, a friend of mine has them and is very happy with them.
What little I played with them I found them not particularly inspiring or special sounding. I realise these are supposed to sound as authentic as possible and most of these synths I have never heard for real so I can't say how accurate they are. I'll not be buying these, I find that what I already have in soft and hardware covers my needs just fine.
monsterjazzlicks wrote:mpayne0 wrote:TAL has got Juno covered here, but Jupiter...
What does TAL mean please ??
mpayne0 wrote:One thing about the full version Juno is that the controls are so smooth for a VST GUI, it really allows you to get tight tweaking and the interpolation while using a knob or slider is exceptional.
mpayne0 wrote:oh! OK I just looked at the Arturia site, and found out that the singles are $99 for download/$129 box
I think $399 must have the discount included. There are 10 (!) synths (maybe too much choices for myself!) so around 55% I guess you end up around that final price $399..
I probably do not want 10 synths from the same company because I am afraid that may have a "family sound". Or the effects will be shared between the synths, something like that.
H5 is very deep.
It has synthesis capability in it's rawest, but it doesn't replace the well thought out, tried and trusted schematics of those famous synths. They are about workflow and certain combination of component that produce those sounds, and how you are inspired by the layout. HW or SW.
H5 is more modular system, requires more of having an initial ideal sound and going thru the building blocks of the program to produce it. Of course it has capable synth presets, I mean it can do anything you need, but I can't compare it on the workflow angle. You can of course call up from 1000s of synth/sample sounds, maybe 10s of 1000s!
If you have built a collection of synth sample folders, H5 is good for collecting and cataloguing, making splits, creating complex dynamic patches, with round robin and velocity. Its a full fledged music scripter.
I admit that because I have H5, I'm not too quick to buy new synths, I feel the need to learn it first, and H5 opens up new territory for all the years of unused samples on my HD, it's like a library of so much material, it's maddening! If you get H5 be ready for it to consume ya!
monsterjazzlicks wrote:You mean complicated and will take a long time to learn ??I think it depends on how deep you want to go. You can always load presets, or if you want to go deeper and use it as a traditional synth, you have your oscillators, filters, env, etc. If you want to go very deep and construct full samples sets, I think it helps to have used libraries that feature keyswitching, round robin, velocity layering... if you have a base understanding of that, you can 'reverse' learn H5. That's what I'm doing. Overall it's very layered, I'm sure veteran users would agree its one of those things you never stop learning!
Well, I have traditional HW equipment as you can see in my 'signature'. But I am trying to learn more about modern day methods of creating music using a PC and software etc.In that case, you might like the modular nature of it. It is classic, it to me speaks of old school signal routing, straight up midi implementation, it is actually very fundamental. I come from SW, I had to learn midi and audio via SW, a lot of it for me is, again 'reverse'! I learn about audio/midi as I go deeper into H5. H5 is very much designed to be intuitive with Cubase users, the language is the same. Unfortunately (LOL) the effects are the same. (OMG if H5 hosted VSTfx, it would be amazing!) Having said that, a familiar language is a good thing. If you use 7.5 Groove Agent, look at the env/filter editors. If you know how to use them, you already know a lot of H5!
So does H5 actually come shipped with any factory Presets/Samples ?? Or does it use (if any) the contents of HALion Sonic(s) ??Oh yeah it does, more than you would ever need, lots of bread & butter sounds, lots of off the wall stuff, imo there is too much GM and basic stuff few would use, but I respect that they kept it old school, compatible for any end user's goal. It gets tricky and it's semantics, but you get 'synths' within H5: grain synthesis, subtractive, even a pretty good organ. Then you have the sample zone! However those synths are built from the tools under-the-hood of H5. Those osc/filter/env I was talking about - that modular system, well H5 gives you shortcut interfaces... Macros. Groups of controls in one neat place where you can bypass modular workflow and work in more consolidated place. Those are the 'synths'. Potentially you could load Cubase VSTs, osc generators, use Cubase filters, set it all up, and possibly do the same thing without H5...in theory you could LOL, it would not be a good idea.
At the moment I do not have any Samples or a library as such. Only the material I have purchased from the Steinberg site.A huge chunk of the fun is discovering sounds from odd places, over the course of time! At this point, I'm 'over' collecting samples and chucking em into folders at the far ends of my HDs, but when I was doing that, I got amazing free samples from the cover of every Computer Music magazine, my dirty little secret. Nowadays, I carefully plan and buy small specific sample sets. You will have a ball sampling your HW into H5 - infinite possibilities. I'm also planning to import some older 32 bit unusable VSTi back into H5 to bring them back to life, I will mix Halion orchestra with supersaws, maybe give them the release of a bass string... that's the kind of possibility, but this is also where you need to really know what you're doing before it becomes overwhelming. But none of this replaces those synths like the Arturia collection. I have H5 but I will always use Trilian for my bass. I will always use TAL UNO.
Thanks for the discussion!
I have heard of those companies, but I have not bought anything. I usually buy specific need stuff, like if I need a clap, congas, I will buy dedicated. I don't use looping or construction material at all. I could be wrong, but I think those companies specialize on construction packs, which are music building blocks imo.
H5 has 'programs' that you load, they are containers for different type of zones, synth or sample zones. So yes there are presets that already have samples incorporated in the patch. The patch might have a combination of samples and synths. You can always extract the sample from the patch, if you want to focus on the sample.
But yeah, it's not like a sample library or anything. The incorporated sample in H5 are probably catered towards layering textures.
Building a library will depend on what kind of tunes you create! I love live music, and try to incorporate those elements in my music, so I go for multisampled snares, tambourine, claps, sometimes Jupiter 8V stabs LOL, I am still looking for a good conga library. I do not go for samples that are someone else making synth sounds, but I have plenty of that stuff from freebie CD. Keep in mind that the free magazine CD stuff was once part of a purchasable collection, free samples do not mean cheap quality!
I'll give you this though, buying those libraries mean that the samples are properly tagged and foldered. This saves you so much headache when you want to import an entire key/velo range into H5. It reads the tags and places everything where it should go. My piecemeal samples mean that I will need a few days to get it working.
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