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Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:43 am

Hi folks,

Is anyone planning to purchase the 'Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection' in the 55% sale ??

http://www.arturia.com/cubase-meets-vintage/index.html

Or has any experience with using it ?? Thoughts, general opinions, etc........

Looks very good and I have always dreamed of owning a 'Jupiter 8' but settled for a 'Juno 6' a couple of months ago. (Though I do have a MiniMoog Model D !! ;) )

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby Strophoid » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:12 pm

I have heard some of the Arturia synths, a friend of mine has them and is very happy with them.
What little I played with them I found them not particularly inspiring or special sounding. I realise these are supposed to sound as authentic as possible and most of these synths I have never heard for real so I can't say how accurate they are. I'll not be buying these, I find that what I already have in soft and hardware covers my needs just fine.

Arturia actually gave away a free simplified version of their minimoog emulation on facebook. I got that and played with it for a while and never touched it since. :?
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:09 pm

Strophoid wrote:I have heard some of the Arturia synths, a friend of mine has them and is very happy with them.
What little I played with them I found them not particularly inspiring or special sounding. I realise these are supposed to sound as authentic as possible and most of these synths I have never heard for real so I can't say how accurate they are. I'll not be buying these, I find that what I already have in soft and hardware covers my needs just fine.


Thanks Strophoid,

I am not sure if there is an audio/video demonstration of this package ??

It seems good for the 55% discount price. At least I have one month to think about it anyway before the offer closes. I am thinking of buying HALion 5 at some point so I would be able to make samples of my own Moog and Juno 6.

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:18 pm

TAL has got Juno covered here, but Jupiter...

actually this set is looking very good, while I was trying to stop adding instruments I don't have the time to use while still getting thru HALion.

But this is heck of a collection. Would love a Wurli.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:28 pm

mpayne0 wrote:TAL has got Juno covered here, but Jupiter...

What does TAL mean please ??
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:11 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:
mpayne0 wrote:TAL has got Juno covered here, but Jupiter...

What does TAL mean please ??

Togu Audio Line makes excellent analogue emulations.

Check out their TAL UNO series, it will make you smile ear to ear.

Just sounds SO good incorporated into tunes, just gels.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:05 pm

Thanks MP,

I had a look at the website (and saw the Juno 60 !!).

http://kunz.corrupt.ch/Products

Do you know if there are any audio demonstrations please ??

And these are all FREE ??

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:18 pm

If you search the thread on GearSlutz you might find folks trying to A/B the emu vs the original. I think the dev also had some demo sounds, but really there is no need, it is there and it is good.

Some of them are free, the basic older versions are free, the actual emulations are priced very favorably.

One thing about the full version Juno is that the controls are so smooth for a VST GUI, it really allows you to get tight tweaking and the interpolation while using a knob or slider is exceptional.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:06 pm

mpayne0 wrote:One thing about the full version Juno is that the controls are so smooth for a VST GUI, it really allows you to get tight tweaking and the interpolation while using a knob or slider is exceptional.

Cheers mate.

What does GUI mean please ?? Is it (something) User Interface ??

Are you going to purchase the 'Arturia V-Collection' ??

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby Armadillosound » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:16 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:What does GUI mean please ?? Is it (something) User Interface ??
Ta.


Graphical User Interface ;)
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:28 pm

Armadillosound wrote:Graphical User Interface ;)


Thanks man.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby Armadillosound » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:31 pm

You're welcome :D
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:32 pm

Cheers Armadillo,

I am still have issues with the installation of some of the software I purchased in the 'Valentines Sale' and have written to Steinberg to see if they can help. Its been driving me mad to be honest !! I really need them to take remote-access of my PC's to see whats going on.

But once I get the problems sorted I will have a good think about the 'Arturia V-Collection'. As I say, I won a Roland Juno 6 on eBay for only 400GBP recently and I have booked it in for a £100 service with an electrician I use. The CHORUS is noisy on it (common fault) and so this and a couple of other things are to be tweaked. Should come back sounding amazing when finished !! :D

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:43 pm

The problem is I only want the Jupiter, but I look at the bundle price and I'm left in the middle!

Another thing is that I'm not even that sure Jupiter 8V is containing the exact Roland sounds I've been looking for.
I want those hybrid-y brassy string sounds that seem to be a supersaw blended with real horns. Since these are all "synths" I'm not sure I can get that (and other) hybrid sounds. I know those sounds (supernatural?) are part of certain memory disks that can be connected via USB, I'm not sure their actual origin.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:07 pm

Hi again,

Here is a BRILLIANT video on this vst lasting 25 x mins by Rupert Brown and the DSP Project :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq7A84L ... -dJcrbkqtg

I am still considering purchasing it (Rupert demonstrates some amazing FX and SEQUENCER features exclusive to the vst version). But could anyone confirm please if this is exactly what comes along in the Arturia V-Collection (because the DSP video talks about it being for sale as a SINGLE item) ??

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:01 pm

Very thorough video! Definitely getting a good 80s vibe from that.

As far as I can go in the site, the entire collection is still @ $399.00, while the individual is at $129 (USD).
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:25 pm

Hi MP,

You mean its $399 on the Arturia website but still @ a 55% discount in the Steinberg-Arturia sale (on the Steinberg site) ??

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:34 pm

oh! OK I just looked at the Arturia site, and found out that the singles are $99 for download/$129 box

I think $399 must have the discount included. There are 10 (!) synths (maybe too much choices for myself!) so around 55% I guess you end up around that final price $399..

I probably do not want 10 synths from the same company because I am afraid that may have a "family sound". Or the effects will be shared between the synths, something like that.

I like the 8V, the Wurli, possibly Prophet.

I should add that Trilian Bass Synthesizer has sampled excellent bass from many of these synths, I really like using that already, they are not modeled... I actually enjoy using the Trilian Juno samples alongside the TAL UNO emulation, just makes me feel warm inside. But again, in that case they are not the same, it is not family sound, and I prefer that to a degree.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:55 am

mpayne0 wrote:oh! OK I just looked at the Arturia site, and found out that the singles are $99 for download/$129 box

I think $399 must have the discount included. There are 10 (!) synths (maybe too much choices for myself!) so around 55% I guess you end up around that final price $399..

I probably do not want 10 synths from the same company because I am afraid that may have a "family sound". Or the effects will be shared between the synths, something like that.

Thanks MP,

Yes, $399 is the DISCOUNT price (which is very good !!).

I had not considered your point regarding a library having a 'family' sound. Though to be honest I am not too fussy or worried about that (esp. @ $399 !!).

I am thinking of upgrading to HALion Sonic 2 and HALion 5 but am not sure if it would be worthwhile purchasing the Arturia Collection as well ?? Last month I installed the 'trial' versions of the two HALion programs, but unfortunately, due to some technical problems I have not been able to test them out or even use my Cubase (until today after Technical Support took remote-access of my PC and address many of the issues).

Been a very bad month for me Cubase-wise !! :cry:
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:00 pm

H5 is very deep.

It has synthesis capability in it's rawest, but it doesn't replace the well thought out, tried and trusted schematics of those famous synths. They are about workflow and certain combination of component that produce those sounds, and how you are inspired by the layout. HW or SW.

H5 is more modular system, requires more of having an initial ideal sound and going thru the building blocks of the program to produce it. Of course it has capable synth presets, I mean it can do anything you need, but I can't compare it on the workflow angle. You can of course call up from 1000s of synth/sample sounds, maybe 10s of 1000s!

If you have built a collection of synth sample folders, H5 is good for collecting and cataloguing, making splits, creating complex dynamic patches, with round robin and velocity. Its a full fledged music scripter.

I admit that because I have H5, I'm not too quick to buy new synths, I feel the need to learn it first, and H5 opens up new territory for all the years of unused samples on my HD, it's like a library of so much material, it's maddening! If you get H5 be ready for it to consume ya! :D
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:31 pm

H5 is very deep.

You mean complicated and will take a long time to learn ??


It has synthesis capability in it's rawest, but it doesn't replace the well thought out, tried and trusted schematics of those famous synths. They are about workflow and certain combination of component that produce those sounds, and how you are inspired by the layout. HW or SW.

Well, I have traditional HW equipment as you can see in my 'signature'. But I am trying to learn more about modern day methods of creating music using a PC and software etc.


H5 is more modular system, requires more of having an initial ideal sound and going thru the building blocks of the program to produce it. Of course it has capable synth presets, I mean it can do anything you need, but I can't compare it on the workflow angle. You can of course call up from 1000s of synth/sample sounds, maybe 10s of 1000s!

So does H5 actually come shipped with any factory Presets/Samples ?? Or does it use (if any) the contents of HALion Sonic(s) ??


If you have built a collection of synth sample folders, H5 is good for collecting and cataloguing, making splits, creating complex dynamic patches, with round robin and velocity. Its a full fledged music scripter.

At the moment I do not have any Samples or a library as such. Only the material I have purchased from the Steinberg site.


I admit that because I have H5, I'm not too quick to buy new synths, I feel the need to learn it first, and H5 opens up new territory for all the years of unused samples on my HD, it's like a library of so much material, it's maddening! If you get H5 be ready for it to consume ya!

Where did you acquire the Samples you have on your HD ?? Are they ones you have created yourself ??

Ta,

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:20 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:You mean complicated and will take a long time to learn ??
I think it depends on how deep you want to go. You can always load presets, or if you want to go deeper and use it as a traditional synth, you have your oscillators, filters, env, etc. If you want to go very deep and construct full samples sets, I think it helps to have used libraries that feature keyswitching, round robin, velocity layering... if you have a base understanding of that, you can 'reverse' learn H5. That's what I'm doing. Overall it's very layered, I'm sure veteran users would agree its one of those things you never stop learning!




Well, I have traditional HW equipment as you can see in my 'signature'. But I am trying to learn more about modern day methods of creating music using a PC and software etc.
In that case, you might like the modular nature of it. It is classic, it to me speaks of old school signal routing, straight up midi implementation, it is actually very fundamental. I come from SW, I had to learn midi and audio via SW, a lot of it for me is, again 'reverse'! I learn about audio/midi as I go deeper into H5. H5 is very much designed to be intuitive with Cubase users, the language is the same. Unfortunately (LOL) the effects are the same. (OMG if H5 hosted VSTfx, it would be amazing!) Having said that, a familiar language is a good thing. If you use 7.5 Groove Agent, look at the env/filter editors. If you know how to use them, you already know a lot of H5!




So does H5 actually come shipped with any factory Presets/Samples ?? Or does it use (if any) the contents of HALion Sonic(s) ??
Oh yeah it does, more than you would ever need, lots of bread & butter sounds, lots of off the wall stuff, imo there is too much GM and basic stuff few would use, but I respect that they kept it old school, compatible for any end user's goal. It gets tricky and it's semantics, but you get 'synths' within H5: grain synthesis, subtractive, even a pretty good organ. Then you have the sample zone! However those synths are built from the tools under-the-hood of H5. Those osc/filter/env I was talking about - that modular system, well H5 gives you shortcut interfaces... Macros. Groups of controls in one neat place where you can bypass modular workflow and work in more consolidated place. Those are the 'synths'. Potentially you could load Cubase VSTs, osc generators, use Cubase filters, set it all up, and possibly do the same thing without H5...in theory you could LOL, it would not be a good idea.




At the moment I do not have any Samples or a library as such. Only the material I have purchased from the Steinberg site.
A huge chunk of the fun is discovering sounds from odd places, over the course of time! At this point, I'm 'over' collecting samples and chucking em into folders at the far ends of my HDs, but when I was doing that, I got amazing free samples from the cover of every Computer Music magazine, my dirty little secret. Nowadays, I carefully plan and buy small specific sample sets. You will have a ball sampling your HW into H5 - infinite possibilities. I'm also planning to import some older 32 bit unusable VSTi back into H5 to bring them back to life, I will mix Halion orchestra with supersaws, maybe give them the release of a bass string... that's the kind of possibility, but this is also where you need to really know what you're doing before it becomes overwhelming. But none of this replaces those synths like the Arturia collection. I have H5 but I will always use Trilian for my bass. I will always use TAL UNO.




Ta,

Paul

Thanks for the discussion!
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:22 pm

Thank you MP0,

That's a very helpful reply because it is not always possible to find everything out from reading reviews or watching You Tube videos. It is much better to find advice from members who already own the software and are familiar with using it.

Yes, I would like to learn about how to SAMPLE some of my HW gear into H5 like my Juno and Minimoog. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time but I have been unsure as to the best method to used because (as I say) I am quite new to computers and Cubase etc. I would really like to post here on the forum lots of interesting samples for Cubase members to download and share.

I was looking to purchase some samples from sites like Producer Loops and Time&Space. They seem to have a lot of materials for sale as downloads. Have you heard of either of these companies before and their sample-packs ?? Do you think that would be a good way to build up a library ??

You say that H5 comes with lots of sample presets. I did not realise this. I thought that all you got was the Sample Player and the only sounds available would be what you already have with the HALion Sonic(s) libraries ??

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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby mpayne0 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:46 pm

Hey Paul,

In some circles there will be a distinction between sampling INTO H5 -and- sampling into Cubase and importing the sample into H5. But anyways, beyond that....

I have heard of those companies, but I have not bought anything. I usually buy specific need stuff, like if I need a clap, congas, I will buy dedicated. I don't use looping or construction material at all. I could be wrong, but I think those companies specialize on construction packs, which are music building blocks imo.

H5 has 'programs' that you load, they are containers for different type of zones, synth or sample zones. So yes there are presets that already have samples incorporated in the patch. The patch might have a combination of samples and synths. You can always extract the sample from the patch, if you want to focus on the sample.

But yeah, it's not like a sample library or anything. The incorporated sample in H5 are probably catered towards layering textures.

Building a library will depend on what kind of tunes you create! I love live music, and try to incorporate those elements in my music, so I go for multisampled snares, tambourine, claps, sometimes Jupiter 8V stabs LOL, I am still looking for a good conga library. I do not go for samples that are someone else making synth sounds, but I have plenty of that stuff from freebie CD. Keep in mind that the free magazine CD stuff was once part of a purchasable collection, free samples do not mean cheap quality!

I'll give you this though, buying those libraries mean that the samples are properly tagged and foldered. This saves you so much headache when you want to import an entire key/velo range into H5. It reads the tags and places everything where it should go. My piecemeal samples mean that I will need a few days to get it working.
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Re: Steinberg / Arturia V-Collection

Postby monsterjazzlicks » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:06 pm

I have heard of those companies, but I have not bought anything. I usually buy specific need stuff, like if I need a clap, congas, I will buy dedicated. I don't use looping or construction material at all. I could be wrong, but I think those companies specialize on construction packs, which are music building blocks imo.

Yes, they do make a lot of CONSTRUCTION KIT LOOPS. I bought a handful of the Steinberg ones a couple of years ago as a means to creating some backing-tracks for myself and also as a tool for learning my way around Cubase. I thought they were excellent and got some good results.


H5 has 'programs' that you load, they are containers for different type of zones, synth or sample zones. So yes there are presets that already have samples incorporated in the patch. The patch might have a combination of samples and synths. You can always extract the sample from the patch, if you want to focus on the sample.

I see. So you can use the Presets in their 'default' form, of you can extract the samples to use them in isolation (or to re-combine with something else).


But yeah, it's not like a sample library or anything. The incorporated sample in H5 are probably catered towards layering textures.

So the Presets you get with H5 are NOT duplicates of the other HALion libraries ??


Building a library will depend on what kind of tunes you create! I love live music, and try to incorporate those elements in my music, so I go for multisampled snares, tambourine, claps, sometimes Jupiter 8V stabs LOL, I am still looking for a good conga library. I do not go for samples that are someone else making synth sounds, but I have plenty of that stuff from freebie CD. Keep in mind that the free magazine CD stuff was once part of a purchasable collection, free samples do not mean cheap quality!

I have always played LIVE in bands (unless I am backing a show in which playing along to a 'click track accomp.') most of my life though recently I ran a Duo in which we used MP3 backing tracks (and I muted the main keyboard parts which I played myself on my Nord and Roland JV1080). What I would really like is to learn about how to understand and create 'Electronic' music (like DANCE etc). Lots of people (I read in forums) seem to use ABLETON rather than Cubase, or sometimes in conjunction with via REWIRE. There is a college in my nearest city (Liverpool) called SAE and it runs a 6 x month course dedication to the letter mentioned. It is 2 x evenings per week (3 x hours each) costing around £2,000.


I'll give you this though, buying those libraries mean that the samples are properly tagged and foldered. This saves you so much headache when you want to import an entire key/velo range into H5. It reads the tags and places everything where it should go. My piecemeal samples mean that I will need a few days to get it working.

That's great to know thanks. Simple, quick and easy is a method I will be preferring at my elementary stage.
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