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SOLVED - digital piano incompatible with HSO ?

Post by songdiver » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:11 pm

Hi,
my new digital piano roland fp-7f sends note off velocity data to cubase which lead to an unwanted and messy (note-off) sound at the end of each sound when releasing the keys, especially when i want to play fast string-phrases.
this effect is very annoying and makes working with halion symphonic orchestra more or less impossible.
i know that AFTER RECORDING i can set all the note-off valus to zero in the list-editor, but i want to have that already from beginning when playing the keyboard while recording into cubase.
Is there a way to block or filter those incoming note-off velocity data from reaching cubase and HSO at all? I did not have this problem with my old input-keyboard (Ensoniq ESQ-1).
Thanks for advice! (CUBASE Studio 5.5.3)
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Re: digital piano incompatible with HSO ??

Post by MrSoundman » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:53 pm

Many keyboards send a note on with zero velocity rather than a note off ... the problem is Cubase only has the concept of a "note" event type and a duration. There's no way to my knowledge therefore to filter only note-off events in realtime within Cubase. You would have to use a combination of something like MIDI-OX and a virtual MIDI cable.

Perhaps your keyboard has a setting where you can change what it sends? As it's a piano rather than a MIDI master keyboard, the setting might not be obvious ... look for a setting something like hammer noise, or resonance, try setting that to zero and see if it makes any difference. MIDI-OX is a useful tool for such diagnostics, but it's PC only.
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Re: digital piano incompatible with HSO ??

Post by Ron Garrison » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:56 am

I believe you can use the input transformer to filter the messages.

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Re: digital piano incompatible with HSO ??

Post by songdiver » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:38 am

Thanks a lot, that is it. problem solved. :-)

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Re: digital piano incompatible with HSO ??

Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:32 pm

Do you mean you were able to use the Input Transformer to filter only note-off velocity?
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Post by songdiver » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:57 am

exactly; in the input transformer i did the following:
1) i set function to "transform"
2) in the upper area i chose "value 3" (= note off velocity, see list editor) to "bigger or equal" and as parameter 1 i
set "0".
3) in the lower area again i chose "value3" , then "divided by" and "3.000" (parameter 1). that reduces the noteoff
velocity into a range where it does not trigger that unwanted noteoff sound anymore. certainly one can experiment
with different values for parameter 1 in the lower area. for my needs "3.000" workes good .
4) in the upper right side of the track inspector (on left side of arrange window) there is a button with a kind of a
snake arrow. there i chose "local" (= only applies to the current track). i did this on every track where i wanted to
have reduced noteoff velocity.
5) Voila :-) !

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Re: SOLVED - digital piano incompatible with HSO ?

Post by MrSoundman » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:18 pm

Thanks for the details, but won't that just divide all velocity values by three, including note on velocity. Value 3 is velocity, not just note-off velocity.
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Re: SOLVED - digital piano incompatible with HSO ?

Post by songdiver » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:11 am

i don´t have any loss in note-on velocity, just the desired reduction in note-off velocity.

in Cubase Studio 5.5.3.651 value 3 is just note-off velocity!

that´s a fact, see list editor:
value 1 = note
value 2 = note-on velocity
value 3 = note-off velocity

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Re: SOLVED - digital piano incompatible with HSO ?

Post by MrSoundman » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:15 pm

:idea: Aha! Brain freeze on my part ... I was thinking about MIDI messages, i.e. 0x90 note on, channel 1 and 0x80 note off, channel 1, where the 2nd byte of the message is pitch and the 3rd byte is velocity. Must RTFM a little more closely! Thanks again for your explanation.

(e.g. http://tonalsoft.com/pub/pitch-bend/pit ... 17-00.aspx)
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Re: SOLVED - digital piano incompatible with HSO ?

Post by MrSoundman » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:08 pm

I noticed this in the release notes for Cubase 6.0.3: :)
"28627 Input Transformer: The "Off Velocity" parameter has been added to the Input Transformer."
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