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I hate computer people.

Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:19 am

I'm at my wits end. All I wanna do is record music. I finally get my Cubase 9 working well and now my computer updates. Guess what....now I get some message about running "LCC" and now my projects just randomly play static. I'd be better off with viruses.

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Post by Romantique Tp » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:27 am

Which version of Cubase 9 is this? Which LCC error did you get exactly? What are your computer specifications?

We can't really help you if you don't help us help you. Most eLicenser/"LCC" problems go away by just installing the latest eLicenser Control Center and letting it run Maintenance.
Every time someone says "it must be easy to add/fix", a programmer dies.

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Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:30 am

I did that. Im not getting an LCC message anymore but I have static coming through when I open a project. How do people not get fired/publicly flogged for this?

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Post by Romantique Tp » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:46 am

If this began happening after an operating system update, then of course it's a computer issue. It's extremely unlikely that it's Cubase that's causing the your problem.

Have you checked your audio connections? (F4)
Is Cubase using the correct ASIO driver? Go to Device Setup (Studio Setup in 9.5) and check the VST Audio System category.
Do the files in the Pool Window (Ctrl+P) play correctly? Right click a file and select "Show in Explorer".

And again, nobody on this forum knows anything about your computer.
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Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:56 am

Well I don't know anything about my computer either. It was built specifically for this purpose and it uses Windows X. That's all I know.

The projects will play and I can hear them....but a blast of static happens every ten seconds or so.

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Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:04 am

Ok so the static is coming only through certain unmuted channels. If I mute them the static stops. They are guitar channels and they now sound terrible when I attempt to play through them.

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Post by kb420 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:10 am

unknownsaxophone wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:04 am
Ok so the static is coming only through certain unmuted channels. If I mute them the static stops. They are guitar channels and they now sound terrible when I attempt to play through them.
Is your soundcard being shared with any other programs, especially something that uses ASIO drivers?

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Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:21 am

I think I figured it out. My IK Media "Amplitube" software needed to be reauthorized after the update. How convenient. An entire days work lost while chasing this nonsense. And they say that one day we will all be computers...... Our entire lives wiped out by some idiotic software engineers lack of foresight. Great.

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Post by Sean Ryder Williams » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:26 am

The day we were seduced to buy a computer for recording, becoming a computer/software troubleshooting expert became our more and more demanding mistress.
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Post by Sean Ryder Williams » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:33 am

Time for tape machines and outboard gear.
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Post by unknownsaxophone » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:35 am

Exactly.

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Post by venkmon » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 am

I feel your pain tbh. I'm forever having issues on my PC based setup. Crashes, freezes, sidechains not showing up, etc, etc. Considering going down the mac route, but so expensive.

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Post by Nickeldome » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:51 am

venkmon wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 am
.....Considering going down the mac route, but so expensive.
And you think that this will solve all your problems? :)
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Post by venkmon » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 am

Nickeldome wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:51 am
venkmon wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 am
.....Considering going down the mac route, but so expensive.
And you think that this will solve all your problems? :)
Friend of mine has a mac setup and it's really stable. I just think it's the luck of the draw with Windows, with regards to whether you get a stable set up or not. There are so many things which could be causing issues (bios settings, Motherboard compatibility, audio interface drivers, etc, etc) - trouble shooting is like finding a needle in a haystack. I have a lot of issues, even though I have an ok spec PC (I7, 16gig ram, ssd, etc)

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Post by c28560 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:22 pm

This is why I turn off Automatic Updates in Windows. Once it works don't change it.
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Post by teknatronik » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:36 pm

venkmon wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 am
Nickeldome wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:51 am
venkmon wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 am
.....Considering going down the mac route, but so expensive.
And you think that this will solve all your problems? :)
Friend of mine has a mac setup and it's really stable. I just think it's the luck of the draw with Windows, with regards to whether you get a stable set up or not. There are so many things which could be causing issues (bios settings, Motherboard compatibility, audio interface drivers, etc, etc) - trouble shooting is like finding a needle in a haystack. I have a lot of issues, even though I have an ok spec PC (I7, 16gig ram, ssd, etc)
My buddy has more issues on mac than ive ever seen.

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Post by Parrotspain » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:41 pm

Interesting thread.

I come from the days when music was recording in those "real" studios. In order to be considered a fully competent engineer, a person had to intimately know more individual and diverse pieces of electronic kit and microprocessor systems than any other profession in the world (astronauts a possible exception). Additionally one would need to understand both the electronics and mechanics of tape machines and then be calm enough to operate, adjust, set up and repair them under fire in tense (and very expensive) sessions. One studio day's cost would buy a modern computer system outright, a second would buy a lot of professional software.

Modern computers by comparison are an absolute doddle. Similar operating procedures across the whole DAW, almost no alignment or repairs, fractional cost for huge capability, total recall, undo, instant software upgrades, cheap repairs, free stuff and so on.

Mac or Windows? They both have their peccadillos.

The problem here isn't computers or the people that design and operate them. It's more a phobic response to learning something new, followed quickly by a defensive and offensive over-reaction and the crazy assumption that this modern tech is all useless rubbish. In this case the OP's issue was easily resolved once investigated and was an understandable user error. That's all it was, no big thing.

I understand musical frustration, I am far more musician than technician, but I would say that jumping to conclusions without methodical investigation and assuming that something or someone else must be to blame for every difficulty encountered is a strategy that wouldn't have worked well in those old days. Suggesting public flogging and dismissal is not the best tactic if you want to garner help from some of the highly experienced and knowledgeable people on the forum. Just ask the questions when you have problems and some bright mind will jump to trying to provide a solution.
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Post by mkok » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:48 pm

Agree with the above. It’s part of the territory knowing about computers. Studios home or professional need a good deal of knowledge regarding the tools. This includes computers and has done for over 20 years. It’s actu got a lot simpler.
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Post by silhouette » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:39 pm

The problem with this subject is that the scale of learning involved is quite daunting. It is more often than not the, lack of technical engagement that causes the most problems interacting with software like Cubase. In a way it is very much like learning an instrument. It is easy to start learning to play the guitar. However as soon as you try to play more complex pieces of music you are constrained by you limitations. So therefore you have to learn how to play the piece bit by bit.

After a while of doing this it gets easier to pick up new pieces of music and you begin to make connections and see patterns. In short you are beginning to see things in a musical way. It is no different learning how to use Cubase. The more problem solving you do the easier it gets. You begin to see patterns and connections and you find it more intuitive to make music. Never make the mistake of believing that using a complex piece of software like Cubase is going to be easy to master. I have been using Cubase since the Atari days and I am still learning new ways to do things, but I will say that making music is really intuitive, as I have developed my own way of working. Much as there are things that I don't like about Cubase in it's present form, there is far more that I love.

Hating "computer people" is ultimately pointless, as it is "computer people" that have made it possible to create music with so many extraordinary possibilities.
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Post by -steve- » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:43 pm

Maybe it's just an issue of a misplaced comma, and unknownsaxophone meant, "I hate computer, people." :roll: :lol:

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Post by MattiasNYC » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:04 pm

Parrotspain wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:41 pm
Interesting thread.
I'd like to see a "like" or "thumbs up" function in the forum again. Easier than quoting someone (Parrotspain in this case) to say that you agree completely.
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Post by -steve- » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:36 pm

MattiasNYC - it would be much better if we had the thanks button. The problem with it is that the phpbb extension that provides the function doesn't stay in sync with the updates of phpbb itself, creating problems when a security update is needed. I lobby for it from time to time anyway.

I'd have clicked the button for this too.
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:41 pm
The problem here isn't computers or the people that design and operate them. It's more a phobic response to learning something new, followed quickly by a defensive and offensive over-reaction and the crazy assumption that this modern tech is all useless rubbish. In this case the OP's issue was easily resolved once investigated and was an understandable user error. That's all it was, no big thing.

Well said, and politely done. What's funny to me is that this response is similar to that of my mom (now 96), when I tried to teach her to do email on an imac G3, in 1999.
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Post by greggybud » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:12 pm

Sean Ryder Williams wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:26 am
The day we were seduced to buy a computer for recording, becoming a computer/software troubleshooting expert became our more and more demanding mistress.
Until you recognize the mistress for what she is, and put her in her place. Carefully consider your tool selection, and whether or not the tool is truly needed. How many plug-ins do you have vs. need? If things are working almost perfect, do you need to update it? Marketing seems to drive the prosumers desires these days. Really learn the tools you have.

This could mean better Windows management like said above about automatic updates, considering the advantages/disadvantages of keeping a studio PC off line, purchasing a PC from someone who specializes in DAW PC's with good after purchase support, using a PC for only DAW and DAW related functions, and using good 3rd-party software that has been proven time and again to work like expected.

Don't misunderstand me, you still have to deal with the mistress, but with the above, more boundaries for her I think.
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Post by Sean Ryder Williams » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:13 am

All good points GB, but you know it's all like a game of Whac-A-Mole... I built my first PC for audio in 2005 and last in 2009. I switched to Macs maybe 6 years ago and spent thousands repurchasing all my software... I would never go back to, the collection of parts thrown together and run by an inferior, *flower* filled OS again like windows.

That said I just bought a new Mac Pro and upgraded it to 64GB of RAM, and there is almost not a day that goes by that Cubase doesn't freeze. I think the leading hardware and software manufactures should get together and develop some type of standard, like the 500 series has or something, IDK.

It just seems like I've spent more time fighting with computer & software than I ever should have. And thats all less time making music. And I think no matter how "good" out equipment, we can all relate to Unknownsax. We've all waisted days troubleshooting one update that caused a problem somewhere else. And those are truly wasted days.

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Post by MattiasNYC » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:54 am

In my experience most problems with DAWs / computers have been;

- the user using cracked software
- the user upgrading software without checking compatibility
- faulty hardware (i.e. failing hard drive etc)

Very rarely have I bumped into any issues due to the OS being faulty or problematic. That goes for both Win and OSX.

There are standards for hardware and software, but a lot of manufacturers don't actually follow standards to the letter. As far as I understand it, if things are correctly done then Windows updates shouldn't pose any problems. I'm running my Lynx TWO-B PCI card (!!! NOT PCI-e !!!) on a new Ryzen 1700 on Windows 10, and I've gone through a few updates with zero problems. I don't think that's because Microsoft is awesome, but rather because Lynx does great stuff and care about writing drivers that work. Their latencies on PCI cards are some of the lowest out there.

And when it comes to broken hardware Apple is definitely not the best company around. I'd even go as far as saying that given their policies regarding hardware issues they're among the absolute worst (for financial reasons).

In other words: If we want to use relatively complicated software / hardware we need to do a bit of work ourselves, and also just accept that @#$ happens.... to both OS.... and to different DAWs....

For reference: Today I got a mix-note on a short film I mixed in a studio with Pro Tools HD (TDM) on a cheese grater Mac on OSX, and it was due to PT re-recording two clips of audio out of sync causing phasing. That re-record was done last week. All I had to do today was re-enable record and re-re-record the mix. This time it worked. Last week it did not. Do I blame Apple or Avid?

The grass is equally brown on both sides, just like me.
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