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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by Sean Ryder Williams » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:32 pm

Maybe PT is the answer.

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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by greggybud » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:53 pm

Sean Ryder Williams wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:13 am
It just seems like I've spent more time fighting with computer & software than I ever should have. And thats all less time making music.
Again, which could be a reason to purchase a system built by a professional who knows DAWs, computer components, interfaces & drivers, and most importantly will guarantee performance after the sale. This includes 3rd party software. This isn't the local guy who is the computer "wizz." It's most likely a company out of state or country who has years of experience building and knowing the components, parts and interfaces that work best for DAW's. If the system doesn't work, it's on their hands to make it work via Team viewer or whatever solutions they implement. Yes, you pay more, but you also get the performance assurance with your DAW, interface and 3rd party software. If you do want to build your own, do extensive research first and be prepared for possible issues.

Honestly if you are a musician with no interest in computers, do what you do best, and hire a person who does DAW's and computers best.

IMO PT could be the answer if you want just a recording/mix system and not a production environment. Comparing PT vs. Cubase is not really apples to apples unless you want just a record/mix environment.
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:13 am
I built my first PC for audio in 2005 and last in 2009. I switched to Macs maybe 6 years ago and spent thousands repurchasing all my software... I would never go back to, the collection of parts thrown together and run by an inferior, *flower* filled OS again like windows.
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Well I don't know anything about my computer either. It was built specifically for this purpose and it uses Windows X. That's all I know.
So you built your own PC's with parts thrown together and run by that inferior OS and got negative results. Now you have a Mac that you know nothing about? :?:

If the Mac was built for DAW recording, then, assuming it's under warranty from someone reputable, the builder or company should resolve the issues. If it's not under warranty, I would still contact the builder. My experience has been superb service even after the warranty expires. They want your repeat business when it's time for a new system. Now if it's a scenario where it's an aging system and maybe a lot of the components have been replaced over time, then of course there is nothing your builder can do for you.
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Very rarely have I bumped into any issues due to the OS being faulty or problematic. That goes for both Win and OSX.
From what I have read over the years, that's very true. Not turning this into a PC vs. Mac thing, but it often seems the "issue" is backwards software compatibility. Windows 10 can still run ancient applications from the 90s's while Mac OS's are always changing making older software incompatible and then the user blames the software developer for not updating. :lol:
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by MattiasNYC » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:03 pm

Yep.
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by Sean Ryder Williams » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:39 pm

Good points GB... I’m not going to get into a pi ss-ing match, I was just trying to empathize with the poster...

I buy my Macs from Apple and always have apple care. Your statement about Yearly, arbitrary, issue prone updates could also apply to Cubase.

I know more about computers than I ever wanted to unfortunately. I always researched compatable hardware and built my machines specifically to run Cubase and thats all. I ran XP Pro for the longest, which I got from Microsoft while working there. I’ve done B2B Sales for Dell, Salesforce, and most recently an Oracle Partner.

Again my original intent was to empathize with the poster. If you haven’t wasted a day troubleshooting software issues with your DAW, than you are one of the few. I might suggest sharing best practices in this forum. But this and all Cubase forums are inundated with problems and issues. I would say 9 out of 10.

I joined after 15 years of using Cubase to share and learn best practices, and new ways of looking at workflow. As well as empathizing and helping those where I could.

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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by NorthWood MediaWorks » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:37 pm

Unplug from the Internet.

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Post by roel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:47 pm

i'm an alltime windows user. I was and still am confident in it's OS.
I know the other OS's.

But since windows 10 there is a huge change in the way they operate.
They are bundling versions, updates aren't updates anymore but often complete rebuilds of the OS, including drivers and restrictions for them, and the way those changes are being pushed around is so intrusive that you probably can't operate in a normal fashion without finally do the update.

So the last big update changed my system, which was super stable for years, putting it to the brink of being unusable if you are not used to the environment and it's quirky ways it sometimes works. I did find a workaround that is no more then a simple reboot. So every time i start the machine, i just have to start it twice. THen it recognizes it is not a tablet, and it releases access to the normal drivers.

The problem is, that due to the availability of the different types of OS for different kinds of hardware, windows is imho very often making mistakes in analysing wich type of hardware environment it is working in, with a big preference on everyting mobile such a tablet or a laptop. In such a case it uses it's own restriced tablet drivers from (in my case) NVIDEA, wich i don't use, since i only use external drivers.

So I end up without any abillity to make any noise, unless i reboot it a second time.

Complete rubbish in my eyes, all that modern thinking from developers who want to think for the client. But ok, the client is now the meat on the bone i guess.

I was happy with those old scool, non intrusive, and ok sometimes a bit unstable type of OS's. Once stable, they did what they were expected to do.
Nowadays, when i have to go on stage, every single time is an uncertain encounter with what it will decide to do this time.

Ok, for now, no accidents have happened. But again.
Go Linux and make something simple, non virtual, but something that works.

I do not need fancy bling bling on my music computer.
The only thing it needs to do is perform, play the vstis, and record audio.

And that's where it fails... normally such a thing would lead to a decission to go back to the drawing board. Nowadays this is just not happening anymore it seems.

But since we are merely 1% of the market, i guess we will have to live with it untill someone gives us a better alternative.
Apple and google definitly are no alternatives for me. They are just predators to steal as much of your data as possible.
I know microsoft is taking the same path, but at least they are not such predators like the rest of them.

And yes, i know, since i work with a desktop rebuild into a laptop, i fit probably under the so to speak 0,00006 % of the market.
But... there should be a bigger chunck of the market for a OS that is just doing what it needs to do.
And that is to make hardware operational.

FWIW a reaction,
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by roel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:00 pm

additional thought. If the SB guys and girls would have the resources, or maybe yamaha, they are able to build an OS.
I understand they can't provide drivers for everything that is around, but they could experiment with it and offer the possibility to buy their DAW, OS included. Make it hardware included for a starter f.e.
Yamaha makes hardware so the resources should be available.
And ok, they do make them for the proprietary hardware, but it must be possible to find a solution in between.

Ok, i hear the answer coming... nuage ?, but hey... a bit less expensive should be possible too, no ?
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Post by MattiasNYC » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:31 pm

roel wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:47 pm
The problem is, that due to the availability of the different types of OS for different kinds of hardware, windows is imho very often making mistakes in analysing wich type of hardware environment it is working in, with a big preference on everyting mobile such a tablet or a laptop. In such a case it uses it's own restriced tablet drivers from (in my case) NVIDEA, wich i don't use, since i only use external drivers.

So I end up without any abillity to make any noise, unless i reboot it a second time.
This is the very first time I've heard of this, so it's hardly something that happens "very often", probably the exact opposite. If I were you I'd go through your system from the ground up and make sure not only drivers were accurate but that devices are compatible.

Just so you know what I mean: I actually upgraded a laptop from Win 8.x to Win 10, and I didn't pay attention to what I was doing. So, my bad. What happened was that the hybrid hard drive wasn't 100% compatible with the OS, and in addition to that early trackpad drivers were sketchy. So, because I was eager I got a super-slow laptop.
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Post by MattiasNYC » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:33 pm

roel wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:00 pm
additional thought. If the SB guys and girls would have the resources, or maybe yamaha, they are able to build an OS.
I understand they can't provide drivers for everything that is around, but they could experiment with it and offer the possibility to buy their DAW, OS included. Make it hardware included for a starter f.e.
Yamaha makes hardware so the resources should be available.
And ok, they do make them for the proprietary hardware, but it must be possible to find a solution in between.

Ok, i hear the answer coming... nuage ?, but hey... a bit less expensive should be possible too, no ?
I think you underestimate how much money that would cost and how small our market is (and thus potential revenue stream).

On top of that, I don't want another OS. I don't want an OS that's great for my DAW and then have to either dual-boot (i.e. reboot when I want to use it) or use a second computer just to do everything else I need to do. I'd much rather have one OS that works for general computing and work.
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by roel » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:31 pm

@ MattiasNYC

tx for this reply.
that is a good suggestion. I shall look for any differences in behaviour depending on what device is attached to the system.
Maybe i can find the culprit this way.

kind regards,
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by teknatronik » Fri May 04, 2018 11:53 am

Off topic, but in reply to using crack.

I started in 01 with a crack base and all plugs to see ifni would drop money. The crack stuff i used was by far more stable. Sx3 and all the other stuff never a crash. Fast forward 10 years and I've paid for everything i have. I get more issues now than ever before. Seems backwards.

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Post by Romantique Tp » Fri May 04, 2018 12:24 pm

No, it sounds like you're having computer issues and should contact support.
Every time someone says "it must be easy to add/fix", a programmer dies.

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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by Stephen57 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:42 pm

MattiasNYC wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:04 pm
Parrotspain wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:41 pm
Interesting thread.
I'd like to see a "like" or "thumbs up" function in the forum again. Easier than quoting someone (Parrotspain in this case) to say that you agree completely.
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Re: I hate computer people.

Post by wallyworld » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:40 am

Kind of an oldie bumped but though cubase runs fine here on windows, yeah it can be frustrating.

BTW I hate the "mac vs pc" wars, neither is better, just the user and the preference. But windows 10 does have a mind of it's own with updates. Annoying but workable.

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