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DG wrote:
Big K wrote:- ram session buffering ( just like protools 10 )
What does it do?
In my case it would mean that I don't have to stream mixing sessions from 3 drives, and playback would be instantaneous, rather than having to wait for all the drives to catch up.

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As an aside, there has been a lot of talk on the DUC about using a utility such as SuperVolume. Has anyone here got any experience of using it with Nuendo? It seems to me that if the saving in the background really works, it could make things much easier for those of us with large amounts of tracks in the session. If it doesn't work, or causes pops and clicks, then it is not useful.

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DG wrote:
Big K wrote:- ram session buffering ( just like protools 10 )
What does it do?
In my case it would mean that I don't have to stream mixing sessions from 3 drives, and playback would be instantaneous, rather than having to wait for all the drives to catch up.

DG
A SCSI array would solve that issue.
Been using SCSI for 12 years here and wil never, ever go back.
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DG wrote:OK, I did my little test. A bounced file from PT 9 is identical to a mixdown file from Nuendo 4. When phase reversed they not only cancel perfectly, but also cancel with the original, proving that both DAW engines are doing the job properly. I will do the same test with summing multiple files when I have time, so that I can see whether or not the summing engines are different.

Just did the summing test. All files are identical. So proof that there is no difference in the sound of a bounce from PT or a mixdown from Nuendo.

Therefore all differences is mix will be caused by either differences between RTAS/TDM and VST versions of plugs, or differences in how each DAW implements faders etc. However a competent engineer will always use his/her ears. so there is no reason that a mix done on one system couldn't sound the same as a mix done on the other.

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Also add to the mix Pan Law and any plugins using nonlinear processng (reverbs, certain emulations like Slate's VCC
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Mixdown differences is a typical discussion.

I agree with most of us: digital summing, done properly, is THE SAME everywhere: Nuendo digital summing sounds like Logic and Samplitud like Cubase. Things change if you are using a DSP summing, like PT TD does.
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PauloMedeira wrote:[...] some guys that tested nuendo´s audio mixdowns against protools 9 and samplitude pro 11, said that the sound is not as good.... not 100% transparent when it mixes down a lot o tracks in the box
Uhhh ... not _that_ discussion again. "Some guys" .... oh boy.

I know guys who work on ProT**ls since Vers. 3 who are happy that "their" program finally caught up soundwise ... with Vers. 10. :lol:
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... but what I was actually going to ask:
PauloMedeira wrote:[...]

- better graphic clip/segment controls , like gain. and fades ( just like in protools 10 )[...]
... what's wrong with Nuendo's Event Volume or its fade-handling? (... with the exception that it is available since almost a decade now?)
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not convinced it makes sense for audio processing, but thumbs up for CUDA core processing of video and quicker interface drawing.. I thought about that years ago when Nvidia introduced that.. also I would like to see some 3d card processing for the interface... 3d mixers? Zooming and rotating into a 3d arrangement... sculpting frequency bands in space with mouse or even better, gesture recognition via webcam... all coming to Nuendo6 ;) PT10 will look like an old dusty rocking chair.

also I would like an instant search bar to type in names of tracks, or volume levels or just a plugin name, and project view instantly jumps to what I searched and highlights resulting elements...

a voice guided project assistant like SIRI should be ready for Nuendo7

perhaps even show hide will be implemented after 6 years of praying...
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Marsman wrote: ...sculpting frequency bands in space ... gesture recognition via webcam ...

a voice guided project assistant like SIRI should be ready for Nuendo7 ...
EQ adjust with gesture, this would be very nice! Headphone on the head, close the eyes and edit the sound with hands in the air and if the sound it's ok, then I say: "EQ Track - Bass", Nuendo changes to these track and I edit this :mrgreen:
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Dietz wrote:
PauloMedeira wrote:[...] some guys that tested nuendo´s audio mixdowns against protools 9 and samplitude pro 11, said that the sound is not as good.... not 100% transparent when it mixes down a lot o tracks in the box
Uhhh ... not _that_ discussion again. "Some guys" .... oh boy.

I know guys who work on ProT**ls since Vers. 3 who are happy that "their" program finally caught up soundwise ... with Vers. 10. :lol:
And it does not help that one of the mods on GearSlutz "Music Computers" forums keeps perpetuating this.
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Bassman wrote:EQ adjust with gesture, this would be very nice! Headphone on the head, close the eyes and edit the sound with hands in the air and if the sound it's ok, then I say: "EQ Track - Bass", Nuendo changes to these track and I edit this :mrgreen:
If I tried to work with voice commands it would be a constant murmur and mumbling ...and still I'd be much slower than with mouse & KB and even kinda super sluggish when compared to the work speed on a full-size console.

AND: while you talk you can't listen... and you gonna dry out after 12 hours of mixing. Can you imagine doing extended editing with this?
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We need the new feature everyone will be talking about - (drum roll)
Telepathic Mode.
No more complex graphics at all - you no longer need a screen or a controller.
All gone - just load your track, and think the mix
Remember all those times when you played a track and thought to yourself - "what this needs is a little off the low end with a shelf at 150". Wel, now to think it is to have it happen - EQ applied.
Compressor not fast enough? speed it up with the merest mental whisper .
Vocal slightly out of tune? no problem - just think "that's a bit flat" and it will be instantly pitched to perfection again.

or something not at all like that......
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well ....
í´m a nuendo user since version 1.... and a Love it :)
there are no perfect DAW´s...
i also use samplitude pro for mastering purpuses ( no cash for sequoia )
and i work on the national tv broadcaster on pro tools.... have to... it´s all pro tools over there....
i prefer nuendo to protools, but there are sometings i wanted to see in nuendo from protools....
and also from samplitude.... the object thing.... is second to none....
but i noticed that things are becoming very similar......

using gpu processing power as a dsp virtual audio engine.... colud be great ..... but i doubt it will ever become a reality.....

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could we please finally get these viewing features for Nuendo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWwB0_Gq ... ata_player
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSp6mNMZ ... ata_player

also this note transfer out of the key editor was something I requested since 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-scKhg ... ata_player


seems like Presonus is reading feature requests in the Steinberg forum ;)

Also the ARA/Melodyne integartion looks great, too bad I am not in the mood to rebuild my orchestral template in another sequencer
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Bredo wrote: Nuendo 5.5 is a no go at this time (rants in other threads).
not really true. N5.5 totally stable here, but I am still using the same old boring workarounds from N3, too much scrolling and clicking around the MIDI arrangements where other sequencers sometimes need 80% less clicking and scrolling for the same tasks. For my specific work, the flow feels still like 2004
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One key feature a future Nuendo DAW can provide for me would be to answer this simple question:....what is Nuendo?

The answer should be obvious but I don't think it is as I think Steiny's current approach to marketing their DAWs really needs some refining. Other DAW compainies offer a single DAW in various flavors...but generally you can expect to pay more for more. This simple expectation goes out the window with Nuendo/Cubase. If a future Nuendo could really highlight Nuendo in a way that shines...that would be truly great I think. And I don't think that Nuendo should simply be Cubase plus some additional support for post production etc. That's basically what we have now...plus or minus.

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