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Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by GTBannah » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:29 pm

Hello!

I'm new to "beat making".

What can Ableton do, that Cubase can't?
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by Stephen57 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:12 pm

This is perhaps an over generalization since both products can do many of the same kinds of things.

Ableton is oriented to Loop-based music and DJ-style live mixing. Cubase is more like an actual recording studio and more oriented to typical recording studio production. Of course, Ableton Live can do "normal" production and Cubase can do loop-based music but, imho, this is the primary difference between the two.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by GTBannah » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:04 pm

Thanx, for the response!
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by shanabit » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:58 am

Ableton Live is used for live backing track playback, clicks. It allows you to trigger audio events with foot controllers, keyboards, key commands. It allows you to loop sections of a song then skip around if needed.

Very cool for live event and used by many for this function. Def used a LOT in churches to run lighting, backing tracks, playing sound beds etc.

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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by Stephen57 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:12 am

shanabit wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:58 am
Ableton Live is used for live backing track playback, clicks. It allows you to trigger audio events with foot controllers, keyboards, key commands. It allows you to loop sections of a song then skip around if needed.

Very cool for live event and used by many for this function. Def used a LOT in churches to run lighting, backing tracks, playing sound beds etc.

Cubase is your traditional DAW
You make me want to get a copy of it. It is a very cool program and it is in wide use by some great artists in so many ways. So.., there is that. :-)
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by joannegardner » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:16 am

shanabit wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:58 am
Ableton Live is used for live backing track playback, clicks. It allows you to trigger audio events with foot controllers, keyboards, key commands. It allows you to loop sections of a song then skip around if needed.

Very cool for live event and used by many for this function. Def used a LOT in churches to run lighting, backing tracks, playing sound beds etc.

Cubase is your traditional DAW
Thanks! I was thinking of testing Ableton but wasn't quite sure if I should test it. After your reply, I'm confident that I should try it.

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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by shanabit » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:46 pm

joannegardner wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:16 am
shanabit wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:58 am
Ableton Live is used for live backing track playback, clicks. It allows you to trigger audio events with foot controllers, keyboards, key commands. It allows you to loop sections of a song then skip around if needed.

Very cool for live event and used by many for this function. Def used a LOT in churches to run lighting, backing tracks, playing sound beds etc.

Cubase is your traditional DAW
Thanks! I was thinking of testing Ableton but wasn't quite sure if I should test it. After your reply, I'm confident that I should try it.
MANY live acts are using this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1aINYhBqo Start about 14 min into video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Zcy8Uu4dw

Keith Urbans MD uses it as well, the list is LONG.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by telecode » Tue May 21, 2019 10:28 pm

Just to add, a lot of very established performers that are not EDM or DJ's use Ableton professionally in recording and live settings.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by wrbones » Wed May 22, 2019 12:27 am

I hate it's workflow. It's way too fiddly. I've tried a few times to get into it, and Bitwig, which is very similar in many ways, but I could never get into its groove. OTOH, I only bought Cubase last week and I have already got more done in it than I did in Bitwig or Ableton in 3 months. Transferring songs across from Orion, my old sequencer, to Cubase takes a couple of hours per song, whereas it was tens of hours in Ableton or Bitwig. To be fair, I might have just watched some better Cubase videos but whatever it was, my experiences with Albeton and Bitwig were not great.
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Post by TEEF » Wed May 22, 2019 1:06 am

Ableton loops circles around Cubase.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by wrbones » Thu May 23, 2019 5:20 am

Whilst Orion is pattern based and that's something I really like about it, I don't find that Cubase's approach is antithetical to working in a similar way. I still start with a riff/pattern for the verse, a variation or something else for the chorus and then I build an arrangement in pretty much the same way. If anything, it makes it quicker and easier to go from a few patterns to a finished arrangement because you do it all in the one place and the tools in Cubase make it simple and painless.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by telecode » Thu May 23, 2019 11:59 am

wrbones wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:27 am
I hate it's workflow. It's way too fiddly. I've tried a few times to get into it, and Bitwig, which is very similar in many ways, but I could never get into its groove. OTOH, I only bought Cubase last week and I have already got more done in it than I did in Bitwig or Ableton in 3 months. Transferring songs across from Orion, my old sequencer, to Cubase takes a couple of hours per song, whereas it was tens of hours in Ableton or Bitwig. To be fair, I might have just watched some better Cubase videos but whatever it was, my experiences with Albeton and Bitwig were not great.
I think Ableton and Cubase are every different DAWs. I come from a Maschine background and adjusting to the Ableton workflow is quite smooth in my case because I already got me head around the Maschine non-linear workflow process.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by shanabit » Thu May 23, 2019 4:09 pm

wrbones wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:27 am
I hate it's workflow. It's way too fiddly. I've tried a few times to get into it, and Bitwig, which is very similar in many ways, but I could never get into its groove. OTOH, I only bought Cubase last week and I have already got more done in it than I did in Bitwig or Ableton in 3 months.
Your brain doesn't jive with the way it works, simple. I too have brain strain when trying to use Ableton Live but it is still widely used to run backing tracks for live events. It is used everywhere.
Cubase is more traditional design to us is all and works for our brains. Reaper makes my brain cramp as well but it is just me and I know that
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by wrbones » Mon May 27, 2019 7:48 am

That's not it at all. I come from a hardware background. When I first decided to start using my computer to replace my giant workstation synth (a fully loaded Korg Trinity at the time), I bought Cubase VST 3.5 and I absolutely hated it. It seemed like the least musical way of working every. Luckily I had a really good relationship with the shop where I bought it and they let me return it after a month. I ended up with Orion because it felt more like the way I was used to working in a real studio environment. Over the years I've often thought that if I couldn't use Orion any more, I'd probably end up back with a hardware sequencer but they seem to have gone off in a different direction, too.

Cubase seems to have come a long way since those days, as have I, but there are still frustrating things. e.g. I still don't think there is any way to do something as simple as play from the first bar and the GUI seems very inflexible, which means I am going to have to change my workflow drastically to work with it. I think it works better for me because of what I want to do with it. Live suits dance music and the way that's presented, where what I do is what a rock band does. It's repetitive but linear and we only ever rehearse and perform the song one way. There is no changing the arrangement on the fly or any of that nonsense. Yes, Live can do that but it's not the focus of the workflow.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by shanabit » Tue May 28, 2019 3:00 pm

wrbones wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 7:48 am
That's not it at all. I come from a hardware background. When I first decided to start using my computer to replace my giant workstation synth (a fully loaded Korg Trinity at the time), I bought Cubase VST 3.5 and I absolutely hated it. It seemed like the least musical way of working every.
Sounds like you need to use a an old sequencer and an old HD recorder. I started with a Korg T3 and Master Tracks Pro sequencing software BTW. When I got Cubase SX1 I hated it as well. I synced it to the Korg and a Tascam TSR 8 8 track deck. That said, without Cubase or StudioOne or Logic etc I could still get the sequencing done on my Korg Triton here, only thing left would be the audio part.

Good luck on learning Cubase, it aint bad once you get rolling IMO. Its somewhat archaic and non fluid sometime. StudioOne is a little less difficult IMO. Reaper is a nice minefield of choices

Unfortunately our old hardware sequencers and reel to reels are long gone now.
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by skank » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:40 pm

GTBannah wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:29 pm
Hello!

I'm new to "beat making".

What can Ableton do, that Cubase can't?
I'm late to this, but you may really miss these keys things as below, there are the things missing that frustrate me most with Cubase's arsenal
  • Live clips .alc - the ability to drag drop musical parts into the arrnagement directly from the Library - basically the abulity to manage musical parts as easily as you do any file in a library folder type view. Cubase's track archives are not the same, for instance you cannot audtition them OR drag drop from mediabay
  • Session view - It's famous for this, and simply is a way of exploring various arrangements easily by using clips in an innovative way
Don't hold me to the explanations exactlty I haven't moved over to live yet, but these are some of the things that are most likely to get me to move despite my massive investment in Cubase.
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Post by Centralmusic » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:59 pm

I´m a former Hardcore Ableton User!
Then I ctested Cubase. And - I stick with it. Much better then Ableton.
It´s a great and wonderful DAW for all electronic music styles, like EBM/Dance/Tekkno/House/Trance e.g.
With the use of Midi plugins, Beat Designer, Groove Agent Styles (!), Arranger Track (you can trigger it´s parts Live with Midi Notes, works like Abelton!) are you on the right side with Cubase.
Cubase is much better in Arrange View, Automation, Midi, VSTi´s, Mixing and Mastering - all in one daw.
Check it out too and have fun with Cubase! 8-)
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by GTBannah » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:43 am

Thank you, for the responses!
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Re: Cubase Vs Ableton

Post by skank » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:57 am

Centralmusic wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:59 pm
... Agent Styles (!), Arranger Track (you can trigger it´s parts Live with Midi Notes, works like Abelton!) are you on the right side with Cubase.
Agreed Cubase has some plusses but Arranger view is nothing like Live's session view. It's a very weak alternative at best.
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