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Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:52 pm
by easybullet3
Newbie:

Hallion Sonic SE 3 seems pretty good, but I'm wondering if it's silly to also get Kontakt ?

My Questions:
DO you find Kontakt easier/harder to use than Hallion Sonic ?
Would Kontakt slow down my Cubase (because too many plugins ?
Do they both (more-a-less) cover similar types of sounds ?

Thanks

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
by svennilenni
Wrong forum.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
by easybullet3
svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:37 pm
by mhazdra
OK it has been said many times . . .

It depends what you are trying to do.

There are some excellent instruments that run in Kontakt : Spitfire Edna is one that I am looking at.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/edna-earth/

Also, Spitfire LABS(Free) and Kontakt player(free) have some interesting textures definitely not a waste of time
These have inspired me to produce music that I normally would not think about.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:08 am
by easybullet3
mhazdra wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:37 pm
OK it has been said many times . . .

It depends what you are trying to do.

There are some excellent instruments that run in Kontakt : Spitfire Edna is one that I am looking at.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-z/edna-earth/

Also, Spitfire LABS(Free) and Kontakt player(free) have some interesting textures definitely not a waste of time
These have inspired me to produce music that I normally would not think about.
Thanks ;)

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:35 pm
by jaslan
Kontakt gets really good 3rd party libraries. HALion is making progress in this regard but still well behind. Kontakt is great for sampled instruments but HALion is awesome for synthesized sounds. Kontakt is a great addition but whether it’s worth the cost depends on what you need. Again, for sampled instruments, Kontakt is (probably in most users opinions) king.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
by Nickeldome
easybullet3 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?

Like jaslan said, if you want EDM synths or similar sounds there's lots of other stuff out there that will fully satisfy your needs. While many Kontakt libraries can do these type of sounds also it's real strength lies in the reproduction of acoustic instruments and the human voice. If you do not necessarily need orchestral instruments like strings and brass, choir, grand piano's, drum/percussion or big band sounds I'd suggest you stick to the more general synths. If you do there's no instrument more suited for these sounds than Kontakt. But it should also be said that going down this route is all but cheap! Some libraries can be very expensive! Below are some of the main creators of Kontakt libraries. Take a listen and decide if it's for you:

https://www.spitfireaudio.com/
https://8dio.com/
https://soundiron.com/
https://projectsam.com/
https://cinesamples.com/

Also electric guitar and bass libraries:

https://www.orangetreesamples.com/
https://impactsoundworks.com/

And synths/various:

https://output.com/
https://www.wavesfactory.com/
https://zero-g.co.uk/

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 am
by -steve-
(This topic started out in a different forum)

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:45 am
by Nickeldome
-steve- wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 am
(This topic started out in a different forum)
That doesn't take away that svennilenni can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-)

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:47 am
by svennilenni
Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?
Exactly, all you smart people - the lounge is there for discussions like that - just my point.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:22 pm
by Nickeldome
svennilenni wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:47 am
Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?
Exactly, all you smart people - the lounge is there for discussions like that - just my point.
:D

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:06 pm
by easybullet3
Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:21 am
easybullet3 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
svennilenni wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 pm
Wrong forum.
I have seen Youtube Videos of people using Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
So I want to know opinions from people that use Kontakt WITHIN Cubase.
Never mind svennilenni here. He can be a sourpuss sometimes? :-) This is the lounge. Where in my opinion people can discuss anything remotely related to Steinberg?

Like jaslan said, if you want EDM synths or similar sounds there's lots of other stuff out there that will fully satisfy your needs. While many Kontakt libraries can do these type of sounds also it's real strength lies in the reproduction of acoustic instruments and the human voice. If you do not necessarily need orchestral instruments like strings and brass, choir, grand piano's, drum/percussion or big band sounds I'd suggest you stick to the more general synths. If you do there's no instrument more suited for these sounds than Kontakt. But it should also be said that going down this route is all but cheap! Some libraries can be very expensive! Below are some of the main creators of Kontakt libraries. Take a listen and decide if it's for you:

https://www.spitfireaudio.com/
https://8dio.com/
https://soundiron.com/
https://projectsam.com/
https://cinesamples.com/

Also electric guitar and bass libraries:

https://www.orangetreesamples.com/
https://impactsoundworks.com/

And synths/various:

https://output.com/
https://www.wavesfactory.com/
https://zero-g.co.uk/
Thank you 'Nickeldome' . That was VERY useful information ;)
and yes, you are right; it will cost me a small fortune to buy a few of the libraries that you pointed out.
ok, for now I will make do with what I have, and slowly in the future purchase 'extras' IF i need them.

Thank you again; Your advice helped me ;)

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
by Renesas
Kontakt is a must have!

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am
by PeppaPig
Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm
by Renesas
PeppaPig wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am
Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.
Yea, idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am
by Mr_Root
Renesas wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm
PeppaPig wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 am
Renesas wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm
Kontakt is a must have!
I agree, Halion has some cool sounds and features, but the 3rd party support for Kontact is second to none - but (there's always a but) if you're just starting out and are just finding your feet - Halion will not be the thing that holds you back - however Kontact isn't THE sampler standard for nothing.
Yea, idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg
You have to understand that Steinberg works closely with Yamaha. That is why Halion is like having Yamaha Motif synth at your disposal. Motif was used by Steve Wonder in his life gigs. Motif has sounds from DX7. There are many advantages of having Halion as a free plugin. Yes Halion comes free with your stock Cubase installation. Free. There are good and bad libraries in both Halion and Kontakt. Iconica Strings for Halion are amazing. Way better than Session Strings from NI. Session Guitars for Kontakt are amazing and there is nothing like that for Halion. There are way more third party libraries for Kontakt than Halion. Both platforms have their pros and cons. I have both :D

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:06 pm
by Brian Roland
Get Demos of all the similar products on the market that you can.

Try them personally on the target machine(s) and host(s).

That'll help determine if you think it has enough features and content, that you'll use enough, to make it worth the price.

You'll know better specific questions to ask before pulling the trigger on a purchase.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:13 pm
by MrSoundman
Mr_Root wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am
Both platforms have their pros and cons. I have both :D
Me too.
Renesas wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:45 pm
idk why steinberg even make Halion when there’s Kontakt, Halion is just a waste of resources for steinberg
Not a waste, just different. The benefit you get from HALion is proportional to the amount of time you're prepared to spend learning how to use it. Personally, I use Kontakt because of the libraries and the fact that it's a de facto industry standard, and HALion to make my own sounds.

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:30 pm
by shadowfax
It's a must have..some awesome library's available.. :)

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am
by raino
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:14 am
by Nickeldome
raino wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/
Good point!

Although from a consumers point of view it's hard to determine what libraries can use the player and what libraries need the full version?
Also with Kontakt it's not about 'full' or 'light' in the normal sense of the word that one would expect? Some major libraries can do with player while some minor need the full version? It strictly depends on the library itself and to what level editing is required? It also has to do with licensing between the developer and Native Instruments? Things we consumers want to keep clear off.....

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/

I found a list on NI but also here it's not clear to me what exactly uses what?

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54e263c546

Re: Do you think its a waste of time to get Kontakt ?

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 pm
by raino
Nickeldome wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:14 am
raino wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:11 am
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that in addition to the full Kontakt there is also a free Kontakt Player. Full Kontakt will play any 3rd party libraries. But some libraries can also be used with the free player. So you could check it out that way before buying.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/
Good point!

Although from a consumers point of view it's hard to determine what libraries can use the player and what libraries need the full version?
Also with Kontakt it's not about 'full' or 'light' in the normal sense of the word that one would expect? Some major libraries can do with player while some minor need the full version? It strictly depends on the library itself and to what level editing is required? It also has to do with licensing between the developer and Native Instruments? Things we consumers want to keep clear off.....

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-6/

I found a list on NI but also here it's not clear to me what exactly uses what?

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54e263c546
Generally the folks making the libraries are pretty specific about full vs. player in the product description specs. But you end up having to search for that info on the various product pages. You're totally correct that full/player is not the same as full/light - the full version can play any Kontakt library where the player version only play Player libraries which can be every bit as complex as any library.