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Do you think a monthly subscription plan good or bad

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Post by Neurosis » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:39 pm

Just a thought :idea:

I wonder how long it will be before Steinberg go down the same route as many of the top software companies are going down now like Adobe & Microsoft etc where by you pay a subscription fee for your software?

This does have its advantages & disadvantages. On the plus side it means you always have the most upto date version & if they decide to bring out a major change you automatically get it without having a big cash layout . On the down side it means you have a monthly (or sometimes annual) payment. This though is not to bad as it spreads your licence cost over the year (Adobe currently charge £48 per month for there full package in the UK. This entitles you to install it on 2 systems however. Microsoft Office is £7.99 per month & you can install on 5 systems).

I was dead against Adobe introducing the subscription service at first but I have grown to love it over time.

There is a simple poll above to leave your preferance. This is not a Steinberg poll it's just for my interest

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Post by C.LYDE101 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:48 pm

Maybe add the option - Not Sure? :mrgreen:

Since the Donkey is in the Detail... e.g. what happens if you drop out 1/2 way between versions - does one qualify for a part-upgrade!? :lol:
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Post by Rommelaar » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:50 pm

I think this would be a bad idea. They would loose a lot of the homestudio,hobby users, which I think account for most of Steinbergs users. And what if you need to revist a project which you did in an older version how would you access the old version of your DAW software? I do not need yet an other subscription in my life, I buy upgrades as long as I can afford to.
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Post by enjneer » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:51 pm

I brought this up in an earlier discussion cos I think it'd be a great idea... (There was much resistance LOL)

As long as:

A) Big changes, i.e., numbered versions, could still be installed separately
B) It'd be possible to roll back if a bad update came out (remember iOS 8's first update? Some people couldn't connect to the cell network after updating!)
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Post by Carvin » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:53 pm

Bad bad idea IMO
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Post by Outsounder » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:51 pm

No! I would not use any rent-a-daw service!
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Post by Frog » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:12 pm

Bad!
Very bad idea!

Once I pay for something I should have ongoing rights to use it within the EULA.
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Post by BoSchafers » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:15 pm

I have an Adobe Creative Cloud as well as a MS Office Subscription. These work to my advantage. Bugs are fixed quickly and new features rolled out regularly. Adobe also includes a range of mobile applications that work hand in hand with the desktop programs. As far as cost is concerned, when you work it out, if you have been buying new Adobe versions on disk every year, the subscription model works out cheaper. Also no more useless boxes and disks stacking up in the studio (and eventually in landfill).

It's a mindset I guess, I see studio/office software as a utility, like electricity and gas, Internet access. If you're serious about music production it's a no brainer, a DAW is an essential utility. You can't physically touch /handle electricity or gas , you simply use it. DAWs are the same. Subscriptions are easy to budget for and claim back in tax as a business expense.

As someone else said, the devil is in the detail. I'm not so sure that the Avid subscription model is as sound. Steinberg would have to be very careful that it a win-win deal...
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Post by Rommelaar » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:49 pm

I honestly rather pay more for an upgrade once a year than going down the subscription route.
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Post by jaslan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Subscriptions would probably chase away most of the amateur or hobby users (like myself).
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Post by TheMaestro » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:39 pm

Next time you have such a brilliant idea, please keep it your head.
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Post by jono not bono » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:25 pm

If Cubase went subscription I would move to a different DAW. A Ridiculous Idea. Each year there's a .5 update which costs Money and then a new version in December which also costs Money. Isn't this enough of a subscription plan already?
Please make me stop buying stuff.

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Post by enjneer » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:49 pm

jono not bono wrote:If Cubase went subscription I would move to a different DAW. A Ridiculous Idea. Each year there's a .5 update which costs Money and then a new version in December which also costs Money. Isn't this enough of a subscription plan already?
LOL. So true.
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Post by jono not bono » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:20 pm

enjneer wrote:
jono not bono wrote:If Cubase went subscription I would move to a different DAW. A Ridiculous Idea. Each year there's a .5 update which costs Money and then a new version in December which also costs Money. Isn't this enough of a subscription plan already?
LOL. So true.
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Post by Frog » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:59 pm

I didn't mean for my response to come off so harsh.

Unlike a previous person who finds the Adobe subscription an advantage, it's a waste of money for me. I was always happy to pay for the next big CS upgrade. My use is sporadic and generally in support of some major presentation. In the meantime, I spend free moments learning new skills. There are typically months at a time when the CS would not be touched. But, I have rights to use it when I have time.

My home studio use of music software is ongoing. However, a subscription would definitely cause me to move on.

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Post by chnebierk » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:08 am

That's clearly a big disadvantage in my opinion,there are people out there who don't need/want to upgrade necessarily, I can understand paying a mnthly fee for antivirus softwares ( you definitely need constant updates so you don't really have a choice ) but Cubase, no, just no...
In my case if that were to happen, I wouldn't upgrade to this new system and go elsewhere period, I know right away that in the long run, you lose, paying monthly for something I'll never own, no way ( that's what it means )

In case of the Adobe subscription thing, if I'm right, as soon as you stop paying you can't use the software anymore right ? So you just end up "renting" a software, nothing else and you gonna pay more than if you actually purchased regular upgrades

About the .5 upgrade plans we get each year, I agree with most of you but we can still decide if you want to keep using our old version or not, in the case of a subscription, we can't...

Just my 2 cents, but I would clearly be disappointed if such a decision was taken, that would give good reasons for me to move on

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Post by GPT » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:27 am

Like it seems to be the same for good many peoples, my opinion on a subscription base is a "no way"!

With the purchase of the software, you get to keep using it at your heart and content. Comes an upgrade, you decide to move forward with it or to stay behind with the older version that you own. To "sell" the upgrade, the software manufacturer has to give you something in it that will incite you to upgrade (new functions, new plugins, new interface, etc.). And then the choice is still yours to fork out the money or not. Subscription base, you pay your monthly fee like a good little Customer, so what is the incentive for the company then to add bell and whistles to their product... you're already onboard. The day you jump off the boat, you’re stuck with a pile of projects you can't open anymore because you don't have access to the software that can open it unless you obediently start to pay again.

The day it become subscription based I am gone for good!
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Post by C.LYDE101 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:58 am

Surprisingly no-one has mentioned the REAPER approach to pricing... which honestly is ground breaking for the DAW industry... or at least, mmm... class-leading?

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Post by andyjh » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:34 am

I like the idea of the way Reaper is trying to operate, but they have a bit of a flaw. With no copy protection and a fully functional demo, if you download the demo, it works unrestricted and doesn't time out - so you can run the demo license free for ever for what ever purpose you desire. So it's all down to trust - and that does not work in business.

Though does any commercial studio with a $20K+ turnover want to use Reaper?

anyway, back on topic, if Cubase goes to subscription, I will simply stay on the last dongled version and never upgrade Cubase ever again.
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Post by Puma0382 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:25 pm

Anyone know how Avid's little plan is going down with its customers..?

(for the record, I will not sign up to any subscription plan to 'hire' the license for the software I use)
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Post by C.LYDE101 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:59 pm

andyjh wrote:I like the idea of the way Reaper is trying to operate, but they have a bit of a flaw. With no copy protection and a fully functional demo, if you download the demo, it works unrestricted and doesn't time out - so you can run the demo license free for ever for what ever purpose you desire. So it's all down to trust - and that does not work in business.

Though does any commercial studio with a $20K+ turnover want to use Reaper?
Lumping separate issues methinks? The issue is equitable price for reasonable product or service. Whether or not a commercial studio uses a piece of software does not come down to price of the software - its whether or not, it does that which is required to make them money. :?: :!:

Their marketing team do however recognize the individual non-profit user, who may be serious enough, not to want a stripped down version - that is commendable.
andyjh wrote: anyway, back on topic, if Cubase goes to subscription, I will simply stay on the last dongled version and never upgrade Cubase ever again.
An extreme statement, which I doubt has much meaning... unless of course the DAW serves no real purpose, just part of a software collection of sorts?

Looking at the math - regular updaters shell out $99 every 2 years, which is approx. $4.20 per month.
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Re: Steinberg - Subscription

Post by Neurosis » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:43 pm

It seems my little poll has caused quite a stir & thank you all who have responded so far.

I hope that Steinberg take note of this input from there users.

There are arguments for & against but pretty much a resounding NO WAY so far
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Post by C.LYDE101 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:52 pm

Neurosis wrote:It seems my little poll has caused quite a stir & thank you all who have responded so far.

I hope that Steinberg take note of this input from there users.

There are arguments for & against but pretty much a resounding NO WAY so far

:lol: now let's hear from the other 49000 users.... then we can start concluding stuff... :lol:
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Post by shanabit » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:09 pm

I will be DONE with Cubase if they go that route :shock:
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Post by DLearyUS » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:26 pm

as another poster mentioned. the majority are home users and only upgrade if/when they feel new features warrant the expense. no professional user would chance an update with steinbergs buggy track record. a daw isnt like adobe its a very complex setup that when stable most prefer to adhere to the surgeons motto "if it aint broke dont fix it" most other apps eg office, are not as sensetive to minor glitches hence if an update adds a few milliseconds here and there the user probably wouldnt even notice. not so with a daw, maximum stability is top priority. and as another poster mentioned it already is much like an extended subscription full upgrade every 2 years and .5 upgrade 1 year later except you are not FORCED to stay current. as is with subscriptions with time limited licenses. bad idea this isnt a word processor or pdf reader! lol case in point.. i upgraded to v8 Pro.. My Tascam board now doesnt work correctly. im sure will be fixed in a forthcoming patch but under the subscription model i would not be able to continue using v7.5 which works fine.

ps.if they dont fix it i can stay with v7.5 ive spent $100 on dumber things before lol

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