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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by James K » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:29 pm

I'm not sure I totally agree that buying new hardware is the solution. I can run an easy 60 tracks of audio and software instruments in Logic X on my mac with no crashes...no visible laggy issues either. Same hardware..same operating system and I'm using Steinbergs UR28M and their drivers. I find Cubase to perform better in Windows 8.1 than on Mac I'll admit.

It's annoying to watch the play head stagger and lurch when making simple mouse movements across the main arrange window since Cubase 8...and worse now in 8.5 on my mac. Again...the windows 8.1 performs better. So what's up with that? Everything was great before Cubase 8. No lag on Mac.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Musicalkat » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:36 pm

alexis wrote:
Musicalkat wrote:...
Sometimes, I really wish Steinberg would team up with an audio PC (and Mac) company and build a range of systems, low budget to high end, that would be optimised, tuned, stable and awesome - just for running Cubase..
...
I get the impression the systems pre-built by companies such as ADK and Scan are very stable when running Cubase. You may want to look into that kind of thing as you get ready to buy a new computer.

I agree - I posted about this the other day and someone just said as much. have been looking into both Scan and Inta-audio here in the UK. It would be nice to start with a good, stable audio optimised base, and then take it from there with Cubase. :)

But still, I long for the stability of Cubase 6.5. I'm actually re-installing it as I type - just to get a project finished that 8.5 has fallen out with...
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by matjones » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:41 pm

Inta-Audio are great! I purchased my current machine from them just coming up to two years ago now.... one of the best decisions i ever made!
I always used to self build but for various reasons am no longer able to, a friend of mine had one from them for a year or so and he couldn't speak highly enough of them.... i've had exactly the same experience... highly recommended!
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Musicalkat » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:47 pm

matjones wrote:Inta-Audio are great! I purchased my current machine from them just coming up to two years ago now.... one of the best decisions i ever made!
I always used to self build but for various reasons am no longer able to, a friend of mine had one from them for a year or so and he couldn't speak highly enough of them.... i've had exactly the same experience... highly recommended!

That's really encouraging to hear! I'm so pleased it all worked out for you. They certainly look like a good company.
It's such as scary prospect when you're looking to upgrade - especially when you're talking £800+ (probably pushing £1200+ with added SSDs and going I7...which I guess I ought to). I think I'll call them up tomorrow and have a chat :)

Anyhow, sorry for derailing the thread slightly, but thanks for the input! Much appreciated! :D
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by matjones » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:59 pm

Hang on 'till black friday if possible, i got about 24% off or so as they were already running a promotion and they did the black friday deal on top of it... made a significant saving.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Musicalkat » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:12 pm

Good call! I'd completely forgotten Black Friday was coming around again! This year has gone way too fast.

I guess that gives me more time to get an idea on what specs to aim for...and a couple more months to save some pennies.

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Pablo1980 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:07 am

James K wrote:I just wonder how much time and resources went in to Cubasis 2 that could have gone into bug fixs for 8.5?
Use the money of that beautiful video ad of Cubasis 2 to hire one more programmer of at least a beta tester...heck, we do it for free! :D

I found problems in VCA upon release, and on the "bug fixing" updates, etc
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Altostratus » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:30 am

The declining control of quality, the pursuit of so-called innovation and the bugs travelling from one new version to the next is an oft-discussed and documented issue when it comes to Apple products. People still buy and use them, myself included. You can't blame Steinberg of using the tech industry's leading practices as inspiration. Compare that to the support and dedication to users you find at VSL or u-he, just as an example. This is what happens when you have millions of users and have to keep inventing new features which cater to very different tastes and requirements. Even Spectrasonics support has become somewhat of a joke. No way around that, I believe. Personally I just try to go around the bugs and marketing trash and just work with what we have. I've switched from Logic several years ago when Expression Maps were introduced in Cubase. If another DAW comes along which does what I need it to do faster, more elegantly and efficiently, I'd switch again without hesitation. And probably adapt to a new set of bugs and quirks.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by iRan » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:33 pm

Look at HAlion 5 there has not been any fixes for over a year, No new Content ether..
The problems I had which keeps me from using it has been verified by tec support, and a fix
was plan for the next update that was over a year ago. I bought something that I never used
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by 01w » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:01 am

My only concern is plug ins menu and work-flow-stopper new mixer.
In Old mixer I could get things done 75% faster.
New mixer is too cluttered, not-workflow friendly, too much scrolling and clicking to get something simple like oshow inserts.
New mixer = great fail.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by James K » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:15 am

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Best fastest mixer in my opinion and I wanted Steinberg to go this route. All this hide and seek clicking in Cubase is ridiculous. In the Logic mixer it's all there at a glance...plus you can see your midi plug-ins and change an instrument from the mixer as well. :)
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by mozart » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:27 pm

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by 01w » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:05 pm

Only if logic was available for Windows.. but I'm thinking g of getting a Mac just cuz of logic
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by themarqueeyears » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:05 am

alexis wrote:
Musicalkat wrote:...
Sometimes, I really wish Steinberg would team up with an audio PC (and Mac) company and build a range of systems, low budget to high end, that would be optimised, tuned, stable and awesome - just for running Cubase..
...
I get the impression the systems pre-built by companies such as ADK and Scan are very stable when running Cubase. You may want to look into that kind of thing as you get ready to buy a new computer.
I read these threads and wonder if I have a special version of Cubase 8.5!

I bought a high end Scan 3XS PC Workstation designed for Cubase from the ground up.

Cubase 8.5 (64bit) and Wavelab Pro 9 (64bit) run on Windows 7 Pro (64bit) with 100% rock solid stability.

Cubase and Wavelab are fast, stable, intergrated and make for a fully professional workflow.

I run 10 hour days, using all the industry standard plugins and VI's including a whole slew of DSP from UAD - heck I even have a Powercore 6000 on firewire running 32 plugins in the built in VST Bridge ALL without a single issue.

My arrangements often feature huge numbers of tracks, 200+ mix plugins, large numbers of VI's all running very smoothly with low latecny thanks to well written RME drivers.

Importantly my system is run very carefuly with a full written up install log, drive imaged (no casual internet surfing or video games!) and fully backed up on internal and external drives.

If you need a professional level performance and result from any software (Cubase included), in my experience you need a professional workstation system run professionally.

It really is that simple in my studio.

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by James K » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:15 am

I find the same re:very poor graphics on Mac compared to Windows. Just with only one audio loop playing the play head stutters and is laggy ..no CPU load or pressure on the hard disk.
I really wish that could be fixed.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by jose7822 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:45 am

@Noiseboyuk,

I was just about to ask you the same thing since you mentioned that you've heard good things. Could you please elaborate? :-)
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by hesca116 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:59 pm

+1

Steinberg pay attention pleaseee!!!!

1. Add "mixer undo" to Cubase 9 PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2. Better mixer navigation.
4. An preference to turn off "scroll to change parameters" in the mixer, so we can use the racks like they´re supposed to.
3. Improve grid features on the sample and key editor

In general, please Pay attention to Feature requests! I feel like its a bottomless pit, where no one listens to you, except other frustrated users.

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by peakae » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:55 pm

Cubase 9 is hopefully already in beta, don't get too disappointed ;-)
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by noiseboyuk » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:58 pm

jose7822 wrote:@Noiseboyuk,

I was just about to ask you the same thing since you mentioned that you've heard good things. Could you please elaborate? :-)
Sadly I can't really - just an off the record comment from someone with a little inside knowledge. No idea how accurate it will turn out to be, but it was so damning to release that "we are listening" response here, followed up by that hopeless poll and a complete forum absence. Even if Cubase 9 turns out to be the stuff of dreams, they really have got to address their communication issues.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by Oedipus Driftpunch » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:35 am

Was there ever a closed plea to Steinberg?

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by 01w » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:23 am

All the features and fixes we want in cubase 9, they're here already but in Logic and studio-one
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by currentsound » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:42 am

Steinberg are the leaders of innovation in the DAW market which is why you use Cubase because the workflow is the most efficient. It never crashes for me but I just update later. Nuendo tends to have all the features of Cubase put in later after all of the bugs are ironed out. So... You could either wait to update Cubase instead of keeping it up to date all of the time and update once the bugs are ironed out or you could use Nuendo.

Perhaps Steinberg should just continue doing their thing except give some pre-released software to the top producers and engineers in the world for them to use an help with bug support rather than relying on low level producers to test their beta products. This would also be killer marketing.
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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by currentsound » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:51 am

Personally I still use 6.5 and it does what I need to produce and record. I own 7 but there was an issue with the control room mixer on the initial release of 7 and my studio is still pulling in good money using 6.5 which I am use to so I'm not in a huge issue to upgrade, it's still years ahead of Pro Tools. If they could get the latency down even lower with then the same plugins or improve multi-threading or multi-core support somehow to make the program run faster than it is right now, that would be huge as it's annoying keeping up to date with the latest cpu hungry 3rd party VSTis but you often have to do it to keep up with modern production styles. Spire is a b*tch and likes to take over the whole DAW but the way Cubase works is it puts a single plugin on a single core rather than spreading them over all 8 so one plugin can slow down your whole PC even though there is technically processing power still available so there might be a way to use this power to make the session play smoothly without glitches. This in my opinion, would give the biggest illusion of stability even though it would be an entirely new feature.

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Re: An open plea to Steinberg

Post by James K » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:06 am

Tom Watson I'd go back to 6.5 if it had bounce in place ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) Starting with version 8 it's been a bucket of bolts. The "innovation" has come at a steep cost of stability and half baked ideas not terribly well implemented. I hope to see fixes before version 9. Tidy it up Steinberg.
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Post by shadowfax » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:21 am

James K wrote:Tom Watson I'd go back to 6.5 if it had bounce in place ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) Starting with version 8 it's been a bucket of bolts. The "innovation" has come at a steep cost of stability and half baked ideas not terribly well implemented. I hope to see fixes before version 9. Tidy it up Steinberg.

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